Coward kicks woman held on the ground at RNC

^ That's mesed up, yeah I do remember how that undercover officer was stomped out, as if the job wasn't already hard enough.

Is it just me, or did it seem like MSG was practically empty, and what little people there were there at the time were the protestors?

-koji K.

it was empty unless someone major was speaking...

basement, I meant the regular meetings, like a stop in Iowa on the campaign trail.

And yes, it is proper to name this Republican, for it was a republican. If it had been a monkey with three eyes it would be called that, not "lesser ape with more than normal amount of visual cortexs"(uh, is that spelled right?)

Didn't see this at the DNC for it didn't happen for people didn't protest. Not because the media is liberal. People who think that are going against the ATS Motto. CNN is conservative, Fox is conservative, MSNBC is conservative, none of them are liberal.

Drudge Report has picture and article on Republican assaulted at Kerry campaign stop...


There's your proof Cargo, let's see your indignation.

Originally posted by James the Lesser
basement, I meant the regular meetings, like a stop in Iowa on the campaign trail.

And yes, it is proper to name this Republican, for it was a republican. If it had been a monkey with three eyes it would be called that, not "lesser ape with more than normal amount of visual cortexs"(uh, is that spelled right?)

Didn't see this at the DNC for it didn't happen for people didn't protest. Not because the media is liberal. People who think that are going against the ATS Motto. CNN is conservative, Fox is conservative, MSNBC is conservative, none of them are liberal.

LOl, yeah right, CNN is especially Liberal.

Originally posted by Djarums
You're all way out of line here. Way out of line.

If someone kicked a person who was being held on the ground that person was WRONG and deserves to be punished. I fail to see how that represents Republicans as a whole.

Of course you have to admit that its slightly ironic that this happened at a Republican event since many of them claim to be led by faith and Christianity, and then kick someone and lie about it. It's not funny in any respect, but just sad.

The people that they let into these type of conventions are the biggest followers and most fanatic (on both the Dem. and Rep. sides) so its quite easy to say that the kid that did the kicking was probably heavily Christian. It's a little weird that being most likely just that he would do the most un-Christian thing imaginable, but...

...don't most fanatics do just that.

Hmmmm...Republican, religious, fanatic, violence...interesting that it sounds like we are talking about Bush here.

Originally posted by Bout Time
Watching the video:

-- While there is no physical response from the protesters, the YR's have encircled them and are ripping the media from the protesters hands. The punk kid did attack the women and it is accurate to single him out as a Republican, as obviously, her fellow protester wouldn't be taking cheap shots.
Has the litte byotch been arrested yet? Or is he a Enron executive's kid?

Did you miss the part in the video where they said one of the protester punched a young republican in the head?

I would call that a physical response

Originally posted by gurnio
Drudge Report has picture and article on Republican assaulted at Kerry campaign stop...
There's your proof Cargo, let's see your indignation.

Heckler from Kentucky interrupts Kerry speech



Hey gurnio, I dont have a problem with protestors being ejected out of a convention. My whole post is about some punk kid kicking a woman while she was held on the ground by security.

Here we have 2 grown men at the Kerry campaign, one a protestor and one a supporter. Where's my indignation? Well what pisses me off about this incident is that the protestor didnt fight back, just whines about having a sore neck. How does that compare to the woman getting kicked while held down?

So it's OK when a Democrat assaults a Republican.
Well, at least I know where we stand.

Originally posted by gurnio
So it's OK when a Democrat assaults a Republican.
Well, at least I know where we stand.

Stop seeing the world in black and white, thats so typical for Bush folowers, even he has this utterly stuppid motto "Your either with us or against us"

Both assaults were wrong, but some snotty kid kicking the # out of a woman thats being held down by security is just unheard of and 1000� worse then 2 supporters of different party's taking it out on eachother.

The woman had no chance of defending herself, the Republican at the DNC was full able to defend himself, it was just him and the other guy.

Here's the link about that idiot getting assaulted at a Kerry rally:



www.wkrn.com...

If you want to protest something, do it peacefully. The guy at the Kerry rally and these ACTUP morons are one in the same. Polar opposite viewpoints, but same inappropriate methodology. Who cares who you support, these protestors are disturbing peaceful gatherings rather then practicing their right to Free Speech. I disagree with PETA's views, but I wouldn't show up at one of their meetings with a hamburger.

I'm not condoning what this kid did, but some of you made me think the dude like punted her in the face four or five times. That was hardly the case. When I saw the video I thought, "that was it?" I think y'all knew what you were going to say before you even saw the thing.

Generalizing all Republicans as fanatical Christians is as ridiculous as generalizing all pro-choice Democrats as babykilling socialists. John Kerry is Catholic, some Catholic Priests are pedophiles, all Catholics are pedophiles........John Kerry is a boy toucher!!

Young Republicans are much more likely to be preppy frat boys then anything remotely Christian.

And finally...

If CNN is conservative, then Michael Moore is a moderate. CNN skews left as much as FOX skews right. MSNBC is closer to the middle then either of them. That's probably why they get the lowest ratings.

Both sides here need to start denying ignorance! The Divisiveness isn't going to make anything in this nation better. I hate to see what happens if either side wins this election. It's getting scary!

EDIT: I was beaten to the punch.

[edit on (9/9/0404 by PistolPete]

Originally posted by James the Lesser
............ didn't see thousands being arrested due to "no tolerance".......

they were too busy giving speeches.

Originally posted by Bout Time
���It's odd that you claim a "liberal" press when some 2000 odd protestors were arrested, and nary a total ��..

that�s because it is so normal for the left to act like that it is no longer news�.no one wants to see more idiots acting there philosophy. And the logic doesn�t quite make sense as liberals they wouldn�t want to show the American public how their �side� acts. Americans as a whole don�t support imbecilic behavior. For example several self described liberal journalists have already referred to distancing them self�s from the looney left.

Originally posted by keholmes

Originally posted by Bout Time
���It's odd that you claim a "liberal" press when some 2000 odd protestors were arrested, and nary a total ��..

that�s because it is so normal for the left to act like that it is no longer news�.no one wants to see more idiots acting there philosophy.

More "Us vs. Them" , "black vs. white" simplicity at play, huh? The "Left" that you speak of means anyone anti-Bush; that covers myriad more bases than liberal; even if you just use ATS as a cross sampling - I'm a Moderate, we have Libertarians and we have reformed Republicans....all anti-Bush as were the protests.
I fear for the country when Americans feel that peaceful protest is a bunch of "idiots acting their philosophy" while over looking pre-emptive arrest policies that usurped constitutional rights of assembly.

Originally posted by Bout Time
......... The "Left" that you speak of means anyone anti-Bush; ................I'm a Moderate, ...................while over looking pre-emptive arrest policies that usurped constitutional rights of assembly.

your moderate that is the funniest thing I have read on ATS to date that was good��well as I don�t support bush I guess by your logic then I�m in the left�your moderate I liked the film of that guy jumping the cop was that part of you peaceful demonstration? how many police were hurt again? How about in San Francisco I suppose that was peaceful as well�..your moderate��you and gengis khan. pre-emptive arrest policy

[edit on 9-9-2004 by keholmes]

.....please re-address your statement: "that�s because it is so normal for the left to act like that it is no longer news�.no one wants to see more idiots acting there philosophy".

I used to have it to the left in location, but I am a NY'r, so protest coverage was critical for commute purposes. Police did pre-emptively arrest 100's of peaceful protesters - there are lawsuits and charges pending from that, as well as about the duration of detention down at the old pier ( the makeshift processing center).
Your ignorance about the diversity of groups protesting I do not share; so I don't quite understand when you say "I guess by your logic then I�m in the left"? As I stated, "so normal for the left to act like that ", was a blanket statement on your part that overlooked a very wide array of groups, with POV's as diverse as Anarchists to disgruntled Conservatives, that protested. Really keholmes, no bulls**t, it was weird to see smiling people protest!
As for isolatd incidents of criminal assault on the police, I don't agree that those were presentative of what 100s of thousands of people accomplished peacefully ( regardless of the complicit corporated media balckout); far from it.

As for your disbelief to my Moderate or Centrist POV: I'll gladly put up a thread search review of my posts to corrobrate my stance of being a capitalist with a laiszze faire attitude towards social issues who happens to have sided with the team capable of bringing the White House back to American control.

Here it is: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Would your Republican apologist POV ( in Lib/Green clothing ), stand the same scrutiny? I'm sure you transitioned away from "the dark side", and are to be commended. But, I've seen alot of GOP flavor in some of your posts; more so than the other Libertarians I read.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Bout Time
I used to have it to the left in location, but I am a NY'r, so protest coverage was critical for commute purposes.

???

Originally posted by Bout Time
Police did pre-emptively arrest 100's of peaceful protesters �

Talking about blanket statements�.all of a sudden it has dropped form 2000 to 100�s and still not one link to a reputable news source as to these pre-emptive arrests�.i�d even read a socialist talking head report.

Originally posted by Bout Time
there are lawsuits and charges pending from that, ��.

and at least one of those was generated by the attack on that officer�something about the cop throwing himself under the foot of his attacker or some other nonsense�..it�s not very hard in a free country to file a lawsuit�follow your logic. Newsflash McDonalds advocates abusing old people with hot coffee.

Originally posted by Bout Time
Your ignorance about the diversity of groups protesting I do not share; ����with POV's as diverse as Anarchists to disgruntled Conservatives, that protested.

And that is exactly my point you have yet to do anything but spout off that anyone but the same old group of lefty trouble makers were arrested. I realize that some extremists from both sides (as well as some moderates) were present but again most of the trouble makers are lefties, and more than likely the large majority of those present were lefties, extreme enviros. Below are all of the links that I could find about anyone being arrested�.I have yet to find a link to anything other than a �left� connected arrest.

Originally posted by Bout Time
���.As for isolatd incidents of criminal assault on the police, I don't agree that those were presentative of what 100s of thousands of people accomplished peacefully ( regardless of the complicit corporated media balckout); far from it.

and they didn�t sensationalize the far from isolated criminal assaults that took place, below is a quote from one of your peaceful activists about the crowd throwing bottles at the police. And other peaceful protestors trying to �unarrest� people�.was that hugs you think they were trying with.

Originally posted by Bout Time
�������� corrobrate my stance of being a capitalist with a laiszze faire attitude towards social issues ����..

first, simply that a supporter of Kerry mentions laissez faire as a personal philosophy is kind of funny regardless of connection. Just couldn�t bring yourself to say the L-word on social issues . But I was impressed by the verbal back flips to disassociate any of your political leanings with the L-word. So would your support for capitalism extend to 'free' capitalism or do you support things like�.rent control and other forms of limited capitalism?

Originally posted by Bout Time
�����But, I've seen alot of GOP flavor in some of your posts; more so than the other Libertarians I read���.

As for GOP flavor if you�re referring to my resistance to resort to demagoguery and smear simply because some of my political philosophy don't agree, or that I�m unwilling to allow falsehoods to be perpetrated to smear the president for political gain; then call them leanings if you like. What you see as leanings I see as a desire for truthful discussion of issues, on that I believe that bush doesn�t win�just as fully I believe that Kerry would go down in flames. Point remains I wouldn't vote for either. There are many points were my philosophy deviates from the president�but I can�t see why that should lead straight to staying silent while others mislead or smear usually in a calculated way.

"I wouldn't called the conditions inhumane, but they were really unpleasant," said Hoegemann, who is studying English at the University of Connecticut in Stamford"

he should probably make sure that he doesn't get arrested in AZ

Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said in a statement, "contrary to the assertions of protesters who were inconvenienced by these arrests, the post-arrest screening site at Pier 57 was clean, well-equipped and certainly humane."

I actually thought that folks were pretty tough at st. marks...they were trying to unarrest people and get back bikes that the cops had stolen. there were people throwing empty bottles and whatnot at the cops and it was pretty confrontational.

www.stamfordadvocate.com...
nyc.indymedia.org...



[edit on 10-9-2004 by keholmes]

ALL: I apologize for thread drift of the topic. This will be my last post here. Keholmes - Please feel free to start another thread to continue if you like.

I live & work in NY: there was enough ramp up that the news covered protests because they, or the police action effected commuting.

100's add up to 1000's, it's not inaccurate - I reference what's easily available on ATS - call me lazy if you like, but it's a search string away on the same site with folks talking about number specifics.

Moving target - you called the protesters, meaning all, "lefties". I clarified that was wrong, it was a very diverse group of protesters. Where's the beef? I'm sure "anarchists" were all the blood lust rowdies, but as in Seattle and all protests that have followed Bush, many get caught in the cross fire of pre-emptive policing.

Laizze faire vs liberal - let people do what they like as long as it's not reasonably illegal ( sodomy laws defacto outlaw homosexuals ) versus letting people do whatever whenever - I can see the difference; can't you? But please, call me a large "L" Liberal, compared to a Conservative, I'd wear that label with honor.

Republican leanings - Sorry if I offend, because today's Republicans have forever curse worded the name, but those using the blankets of "lefties" & the demonizing of the word liberal, see the world simplistically & in two polar halves - US vs. THEM. Your posts to date could cause anyone to make that assuption of you.

"Demagoguery" - see above.

"Mislead or smear usually in a calculated way" - please quote specifics as to where I've smeared Bush. I do make the pained effort of substantiating my position when I make a strong one, and leave to the obvious that my opinion is mine when I put that out there too. The newsflash is this ; this is an extremely bad administration

Sitting Police Commissioners swearing their boys where of the choir variety!? Go figure! Remember what he-who-shall-remain-nameless said after the Rodney King video surfaced?

Cops copped property, people got pissed, arrests were made,,,,,,and? I don't think that anthing near a WTO scrum, no? Not even a good English soccer match bleacher brawl!

that guy delivering that kick lent a good encapsulation of hardline republican attitudes towards "the lower class", in my opinion.


after they "kick" you they'll try to appear innocent, as if the other person deserved what they got....and as if their republican scorn was divinely inspired.

i can't vote for kerry, i can't vote for bush....

hey, who's THIS guy ------>
maybe i'll vote for him....