Stephen Hawking: Alien contact could be risky

Originally posted by RandalFlagg
Huge ships ready to colonize! That dose not make any sense and hear I am thinking hawking was a genius.

If advanced lifeforms can travel millions of light years to colonize other planets then it would seem they have figured out free energy. With free energy surely they would not run out of resources.

Maybe they just want to explore? Like Humans did. Human's colonized once the exploration was complete and it wasn't just about energy resources, it was about discovering new things, new tastes and spices, along with the gold bullion. Not to mention the power that comes with colonizing (British Empire for example)

At the moment Human exploration into space is just that, exploration. That's where it starts. The colonization comes later. If we make it that far as a species.

Originally posted by mfc1PLAZMUH
This guy started off as a very very clever person but just recentnly has turned into an idiot..

Stephen Hawking, an idiot? You are what you speak, my friend.

if an alien species wanted to erase the population we would already be dust..

Absolutely not. Perhaps they simply haven't "done it" yet.

try to scare everyone with this most preposterous lie is frankly unforgivable.. There is no proof anywhere that supports a hostile invasion and he knows that much to his shame..

Which is exactly why he hasn't claimed "proof" of anything related to this topic. He's smart enough to know that "proof" doesn't exist, or this topic wouldn't even be up for debate, would it?

he also knows about the upcoming Ascention next year, he also knows about the governments plans to depopulate and stays silent..

Speaking of not having any "proof..." You got any to back up these wild claims? Didn't think so.

This proves even really clever people can be influenced and not in a nice way..

Your post has only proven one thing, and I'm going to save you some embarrassment by not mentioning it.

Dear Smarty pants please think before scarmongering you may well scare people..
regards
plazmuh

Please think before you post such nonsense, as you're starting to scare me.


Cheers,
Strype

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by steveknows
Actually I'd argue that it's not because of the government but because we have common sense and the fact that you blame our logic on the government shows that you have no real arguement.

You can argue all you like... all it does is prove my point... And you didn't answer why the video by Robert Wood is not good enough... a typical tactic used by skeptics... turn the focus from the question

We live on the same planet as you (geographically speeking) and we have eyes like you and we know our environment like you. Now the difference is that we who state that aliens aren't visiting earth is because our observation of our envirionment which we've known our whole lives tell us that this is the case,

No the difference, based on many of your posts, is that you spend most of your time drinking beer and chasing sheila, particularly foreign ones while I spend my time talking to astronauts, scientists and other insiders

You won't find many aliens hanging out on the beach or surfing, not ones you would recognize anyway. If they were obvious where anybody could see them openly, we wouldn't be having this conversation...

And I also follow science. Am a member of the planetary society ( Yes I've done the HomeSeti thing with the BIONC program and loved looking at the universe on my pc as the numbers scrolled along my screen, Quasar here pulsar there, the odd sateillite. and have my name on two discs one of which is on the Moon and the other on Mars. So what's your point? I'm a learned guy with a big interest in space and science who can pick up foreign chicks while having a beer? Ok that works for me. Just because I live near the beach and like sex doesn't mean I'm stupid dude.

And no the difference is not on many of my posts at all. I responded to you comparing my hometown to southpark and informed you that it wasn't like Southpark at all but rather the fun in the sun that it actually is.

Where I'm from and what I do in my free time is no reflection on what I know. You should be smart enough to think of that being all bright and hanging out with astronauts(cough cough) and scientists like you claim. Unless you're actually just the janitor.

Because it's you who brings other posts up I can say that looking at what you've posted in this and other threads that you know very little about space and nothing about evolution yet you claim to hang out with astronauts and scientists, I say you're full of it and you don't hang in that field of people. Or I might say PROVE IT. Because from the things I've seen you post you don't know much about science.

I know alot about space and I don't get caught up in this aliens are all over our planet crap. And why do you people always say " It just goes to prove" when there is never anything that proves?

I'm actually starting to think that there's a connection between believing the outrageous and not undertsanding what a word actually means.

There is a lot about our history and the universe we don't understand. SH has impressed the world with his spectacular theories, but I do kind of wonder sometimes is it really SH communicating to the world or has somebody or group just hacking into his system right now.

I'm familiar with the "aliens made use to mine gold" theory and I also knew about Hawking saying aliens could come to earth and destroy us for our "resources"
what do you think Hawking means by resources?
if you believe that intelligent life must exist out there because there are so many planets then by that same logic wouldn't you have to believe that our planets "resources" must be throughout the universe? then why come all the way here and risk retaliation, be forced to deal with humans, spend resources and time when the aliens could just go to another maybe closer and not inhabited planet for the same "resources"
I just don't buy into the logic that if aliens come that it will be for our resources, I think it is a possibility but not probable
and also do you think going through all the trouble to "make" humans is worth it to get gold? humans are far from efficient to mine gold, even with our current state of technology we can imagine many things more efficient at mining gold than the human body, who knows what other even more efficient ways would aliens with their advanced technology might have.

Originally posted by RandalFlagg
Huge ships ready to colonize! That dose not make any sense and hear I am thinking hawking was a genius.

If advanced lifeforms can travel millions of light years to colonize other planets then it would seem they have figured out free energy. With free energy surely they would not run out of resources.

Food ! ?

well in my opinion mr.hawking is a really wise man ,
in the highly unlikely case that aliens as in creatures with roots outside of our earth actually DO exist ( still awaiting PROOF , pics or it didnt happen , knowamsayn? ) , i doubt there would just be one single race .
just theoretically speaking , if the universe/god/nature/whatever your name for the divine creating power took the time to create such a vast array of lifeforms all (or mostly) characterized by a sovereign free will , it would make sense that some of the races would pursue spiritual growth and a happy life based on cooperation and freedom , maybe even helping some less privileged races ( like us humans ) out whereas some other races would seem more interested in gainig more power while draining other lifeforms of power thus growing stronger .
some want to spread the light and some want to dim the light , the light of love not the luciferian light that is.
just the way us humans behave , some are good people and some are bad people .
just some theories grown on sensimilla seeds , to be taken with a whole muffineer of salt
love&light

Originally posted by McGinty

Originally posted by RandalFlagg
Huge ships ready to colonize! That dose not make any sense and hear I am thinking hawking was a genius.

If advanced lifeforms can travel millions of light years to colonize other planets then it would seem they have figured out free energy. With free energy surely they would not run out of resources.

Food ! ?

in terms of gourmet or habit then yes they could hunt down humans assuming their food replicator ala star trek isn't good enough

Things to think about:

Just recently, with our current technology, we detected a very earth-like planet 600 light years out.

Within 50 light years it is estimated by astronomers that there are at least 1400 star systems.

Within 100 light years the number jumps to at least 14,000.

Within 250 light years the number leaps to over 200,000.

At 500 light years the number is well over 1 million.

It is estimated that around 40% have planets. Even at 1 million, that is 400,000 systems with planets.

Keeping just the 1 million estimate, of these it is estimated 10% support complex life= 40,000 worlds.

Even if just 1% evolve sapient life (note many estimates are higher) we are still looking at 400 civilizations.

Of all of the sapient hominid species to emerge on earth, only modern humans survived, driving the others to extinction. It is believed by a number of scientists that any alien civilization will emerge from the planet's apex predator, as human civilization emerged from earth's apex predator.

An Orion nuclear pulse drive, something that is technologically feasible on earth right now, could cover 1 light year in 10 years.

Every extant post-Singularity Type I civilization on the Kardeshev scale within 600 light years, would know where earth was at and all of them could build Von Neumann style self replicating probes with Orion type nuclear pulse drives or better that could eventually reach earth.

Any stellar engineering Type II civilization, extinct or extant, within 600 light years would have already been here at some point.

600 million years ago, all life on earth were simple organisms. It had been that way for hundreds of millions of years. Over 500 million years ago, an unexplained phenomena known as the Cambrian Explosion happened. It is termed an explosion, as fossils of complex life, some quite "alien", across almost every major phyla suddenly appeared. It was an event that deeply troubled Charles Darwin, he considered it the single greatest challenge to his theory of evolution.

Over 250 million years ago, another unexplained event happened, the Great Dying, also known as the Permian-Triassic extinction. It was the single greatest extinction level event in the earth's fossil record. It is estimated over 90% of all life in the oceans died and at least 70% of all life on land died.

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Very good thinking, BUT

Even hyper advanced beings would have to make choices. Maybe they choose to serve themselves instead of others. Remember, in an infinite universe, there are infinite possibilities.

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good point , maybe one could go as far as saying some rules of human consciousness apply to theirs as well , like the inner "angel"(loving healer) vs the inner "devil"(deceiving thief) fight going on .
but to prove that , we would need proof of aliens first . got any ? i dont . case dismissed nothing to see here . please move on .

This is very old news... and nothing important. Forever he's been saying it's possible aliens might be hostile if they come here. It's just speculation and he's just saying that aliens might come here one day and be hostile. So what? I think pretty much every person who believes there are probably aliens somewhere out there realizes this is a possibility already... and that's a hefty portion of the population.

Doesn't mean anything more because Hawking said it, nor does it in any way mean aliens are already here. It's like saying some scientist said "A comet might hit earth one day and kill a lot of people" is "!!" worthy news, well yea duh, we already know that and yea it might happen someday, but again some scientist stating the obvious, which he's already said years ago, is not shocking "!!" news. There was nothing new brought to the table here.

This guy started off as a very very clever person but just recentnly has turned into an idiot..

OMG..this is signature worthy...ATS user calls Stephen Hawking an idiot....probably the funniest thing i ever saw here on the forum

And by the way...why he used the "huge ships" example. I didn't read the details of exactly WHAT he said, but it's also a common assumption amongst theorists that Aliens would do interstellar travel in "huge ships" or arks, so called "generation space ships".

Why? Because i think Hawkings is still a smart man and doesn't think that faster than light travel will be ever possible. Assuming this is indeed the case that we cannot travel FTL...the only way to do interstellar flight would be in "generation ships" which travel for centuries with generations growing up on the ships.

This would be the case if we assume that a race is looking for planets for resources (because they destroyed their planet or their planet became un-habitable)...they build GIANT ships and then make their way out looking for new planets..which could take a LOOOOOONG time...thus "giant" ships as opposed to small UFOs.

Also..this is a reasonable assumption by a man who is smart enough that if he theorizes about something he does it at least in a a halfway "reasonable" way.

Hawking is being incendiary, by forgetting the Drake equation. If there are uncountable worlds like our own in the universe, why try and steal this earth's resources when there are trillions upon trillions of planets bearing the same resources. I think it is short sighted and not a complete thought by Hawking, sure we would make for slave labor to get them such resources. But if you have the technology of interstellar travel why not pick on habitable life that fight with sticks and stones for their resources? It's possible they already did this to us early on in human development. Then again, our technology to them may very well still be sticks and stones.

If we assume that we are an alien early human hybrid as some theorize, then we have already proved ourselves too troublesome and defiant to enslave, for their mines or whatever else. This is also assumes that aliens are lazy 1%'ers that can't or won't mine for themselves, looking for slave labor by dangling I-phones like a proverbial carrot to keep brain washed masses moving forward for their agendas. If you haven't guessed, I postulate that humanity is already enslaved as such. Just take Mr. or Mrs. flavor of the week have them endorse a product, and the brainwashed masses will kill each other to get said useless product.

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thank you for your post , maybe the non-existing entities doing that kinda stuff embrace some concept of personal or tribal revenge because of some event that took place before our time ? who knows who knows ...

Originally posted by Enlightenme1111

Originally posted by Evil_Santa
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He was making a statement on his observations of the universe, and it happened to be "this could be a problem for humanity". Not "Get ur gunz, the aliens are comin today!". Lighten up, this is no more a fearmongering statement than me saying that "you could be killed in a fatal car accident".

Would you publish an article saying that "you could be killed in a fatal car accident"? Of course not. That would be stating the obvious. That's why people are upset about this. Yeah, aliens may come to earth and eat us. Great, but why state the obvious unless the intention is fear? I think people are sick of the fear agenda from our government and the media. There is only so much people can digest. How about scaring us once a week instead of every day?

Ok i'll bite. "In the year 2010 there were numerous reports of Toyota cars having malfunctioning accelerator peddles. Toyota issued numerous recalls on mechanical parts surrounding this issue - including the floor mats. These recalls, while an excellent show of public relations on Toyota's part to rectify the problem, did nothing to fix the issue of cars accelerating on their own. The actual issue is caused by packets of radio frequency data being received by the car's Bluetooth receiver and caused a bug within the car's computer control system. Unfortunately this is a fundamental bug caused by the use of RF technology in our electronics and all new vehicles equipped with Bluetooth capabilities can be susceptible to these malfunctions. While the conditions of this bug is rare, the loss of control of any vehicle on the road poses a significant threat to operator of the vehicle, their passengers and all other drivers on the road."

Done. If you require sources for the info I can dig them up.

All that Hawking did was state the obvious from a statistical, quantum physics standpoint, for a documentary series that's showing on the Discovery channel - not an article. While doing PR for the series he provided some of the information contained in the documentary as well as gave us some of his insight. I hope you don't live near the ocean, because otherwise Shark Week might be too much for you.

It is foolish to think alien invasion or contact is not possible with all the planets just like ours out there, so of course it is a possibility. However, we should not fear some invasion just because an established scientist says so, if anything fear ourselves. We are an incredibly ignorant and destructive species but it does not mean all will be outside of our planet though I'm sure many will be just as bad. Think about the other animals on our planet then times that by a very different environment, atmosphere, way of life and you have a very different form of intelligence to ours. As far as I am concerned most of us already contact these being through dreams, most are just unconscious to it.

Knowledge is love. What makes anyone think that aliens with high intelligence would do us harm? Unless of course they were ignorant, then we would crush them.

I just hope the aliens don't have anal probes :O