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Originally posted by ThrowCatsAtCacti
Clearly with our legal system this is irrelivant, people like him never get charged because they have to much money.
Originally posted by SirTFiedSkeptic
reply to post by BULLETINYOURHEAD
Bullet you realize that the pope has never been accused of or found guilty of pedophilia, right? Just saying.
We do not know if he himself has abused children.
But we do know for a fact that he has paid money to cover up crimes of pedophilia within the church, which is in my mind just as bad as the sick pedos.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by SirTFiedSkeptic
On that basis, no, it would have to be discovered independantly.
What, you don't think the Roman Catholic Church has any secrets..?
Some are best kept that way I think. People just wouldn't understand, and they are so quick to judge or to condemn or to rush to various conclusions.
Better left as an enigma wrapped in a mystery, but one that is also left in plain sight.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Re: The Birth Of Christ
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by AQuestion
Listen, Jesus birth was mired in controversy and overlaid by myth. That they couldn't find a place to give birth might be true and that Mary was found pregnant, that Joseph wan't the father, yet who did not divorce Mary as might be the custom, also true. What would this tell us...
And perhaps the story of the Three Wise Men from the Orient, who "saw his star" might contain imbedded within it, another truth when viewed as an allegory of the myth overlaying his birth.
I think, or stongly suspect, that Jesus left his native land as a boy, went to the far east, and then returned later as a near-30 year old man and re-entered Jewish society through the Essenian sect, and in fact was initiated into the Jewish mysteries via John the Baptist (Jesus' cousin and an Essene), but was already a fully self-realized Bodhisatva by that point.
Connect the dots..
But it doesn't matter who Jesus of Nazareth was or how he came about, what matters is the "birth of Christ" and just who and what he became..
Epiphany!
The bright morning star..
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by AQuestion
Think it through, and I don't want to demean Jesus' lineage here, because it's irrelevant to who he was and what he said and did, God bless him, and through him, us.
And Joseph might very well have been given his name in a dream from an angel, and the holy spirit might even have been present at his conception for all we know, as it may be in every case no matter what the circumstances. Just don't ask me to spell this out for you. You'd have to figure it out on your own.
For me this doesn't demean or detract from Jesus one iota, while perhaps creating even more sympathetic understanding, of the boy who went in search of his true fature, and FOUND HIM in God as the Absolute and who then made his return to a waiting John in the wilderness. It's very precious, the truth, better even by far than the myth.
Ok, here's a tip and a possible piece of the puzzle.
Re: the "Three Wise Men" or "Kings" from the Orient (far East)
The three living streams of Taoism/Buddhism are compliments of
Lao Tsu
Confucius
Buddha
time: approx 500 BC.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Epiphany!
The bright morning star..
Another clarification - by that I don't mean anything re: Lucifer.
Buddha, after 15 years or whatever, of meditating, at last "gave up" and then, with a feeling of impending enlightenment, he sat again, and was said to have seen the morning star, or venus, at the moment of his enlightenment.
As a motif or a symbol, it is the star of enlightenment, what I call the star of "isolate consciousness" (one with everything).
Take it as you will, but I've done my research from every angle and perspective, and this "groks" for me.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by NewAgeMan
Dear NewAgeMan,
I have absolutely no idea what your point is. Lets make is easy, did Jesus exist as a real person? Let us at least start with some common ground.
Ok, Let me spell it out.
Mary was a virgin when Joseph married her, but became pregnant, not by him. The society was under Roman oppression. Mary was not convicted of adultery, and Joseph did not divorce her, but stayed with her. Jesus was given the name "God saves" even possibly by a dream Joseph had in which he was instructed also NOT to divorce Mary. When it came time for Jesus, the baby boy, to be born, they were shut out, and were forced to have the birth in a barn. There is but one anecdote about Jesus as a boy, and then nothing until he springs onto the scene later with John the Baptist, his cousin and an Essenian Rabbi with unique understanding and methods. Jesus is then baptised, led into the desert, and returning, having overcome the devil, begins his ministry until his cricifixion on the cross as an atonement for all sin and evil, athough completely innocent and perfect (without having sinned). Three wise men or kings from the Orient supposedly herald his star and offer precious gifts at his "birth" ", which could mean another birth altogether.
To this day, one of the 12 days of Christmas is in celebration of The Three Wise Men from the East. It is called "Epiphany Sunday".
Deny Ignorance.
Best Regards,
NAM
"Oh Nicodemus, what is born of the flesh is flesh, but what is born of the spirit IS spirit!"
"Behold - woman (mother Mary) I make all things new!" [while carrying the cross]
..man of sorrows...
"We know who OUR father is." (OUCH!)
~ Temple Priests
Then Jesus' mother and brothers came. They stood outside and sent a person in to tell Jesus to come out. Many people were sitting around Jesus. They said to him, "Your mother and brothers are waiting for you outside." Jesus asked, "Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?" Then Jesus looked at those people sitting around him. He said, "These people are my mother and my brothers! My true brother and sister and mother are those people that do the things of God."
~ Mark 3:31-35
"The more that suffering has carved into our being, the more joy we can contain."
~ Kahlil Gibran
The initiator - John the Baptist
John answered them all, "I baptize you with water. But one more powerful than I will come, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.
~ Luke 3:16
"Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world"
~ John 1:29
en.wikipedia.org...
John the Baptist
by Leonardo Davinci
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I am aware that this little thesis of mine does not cast the Roman Church in a very favorable light, from a whole host of angles and perspectives - from the time of Constantine to the present day, with Christ on the cross and his authority stolen, the womb of the mother of Jesus glorified in the deification of Mary, who's is demeaned in no way by what I've offered here, and who is blameless and therefore without shame, most certainly not in the son she bore and the prophecy he fulfilled quite literally to a t.
But in the fullness of time and history, there is nothing hidden which is not made known, and since the conversation about Jesus goes on, the triumph, his triumph remains with him, and through him with all who know him and who hear his voice (essential character), the Bridegroom's voice, who being the perfect gentlemen expresses only a non-coersive, unconditional love.
And so the love of Jesus, his true love, is made known throughout the nations, and who can stop love?
There is a woeful misunderstanding expressed here in this thread, about Jesus.
It is also very sad.
But when we are committed to denying ignorance, and are not unwilling to re-investigate free from any sort of contempt prior to investigation, sometimes we discover something that's all good on the other side of the duality of good and evil, something capable of moving us in favor of also having the courage to be true to our highest self who is reborn from above.
Thank you Jesus for your love and for your courage. You will not be forgotten, nor eliminated, nor excluded, hung on a cross while your authority from obediance to the all-good heavenly father of love, is stolen by wicked men and the whore of babyloon and used as a sword by which to slay the saints in the name of empire and a satanic system of might makes right, and of top down domination and submission - one which you stood against, and were crucified relative to.
The criticisms of the church are fair. The criticisms and denails of Jesus Christ, the reborn one, are not at all.
"And as my father first sent me, even so send I you."
Jesus is our brother people. He is simply the most courageous among us.
Read him again, now that some light has been shed on him as a real person, and look to the character there, reading between the lines and underneath the myth.
He deserves our love. He is worthy, trustworthy and true. Worthy is the lamb.
"I am the truth and the life."
~ Jesus (Yeshua)
"I have one commandment. Love one another as I have loved you."
Originally posted by BlueBanshee
I do not get this thread. It simply looks like some kind of bad joke.
How is this a conspiracy?
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Originally posted by BlueBanshee
I do not get this thread. It simply looks like some kind of bad joke.
How is this a conspiracy?
A conspiracy involves secrets withheld.
There's a conspiracy here, a religious conspiracy, I assure you!
I left a clue in the OP, as to what I suspect it all means..
Here's another - who was Nicodemus?
And no, while there may have been a St. Nicholas, I do not believe for a moment that that's the whole story re: Santa from the North Pole, dressed in red and white, happy, jolly, with a white beard, welcoming children and blessing them, and listening to their secret wishes, hopes and dreams.
Resurrection and reincarnation also play a role in this allegory, I am convinced of it.
enough! I don't think I can or should say any more, and just leave it as a mystery to be plumbed and a riddle to be solved.
anyway..
Merry Christmas!
Best Wishes to one and all!
Rudolf [aka NAM]
edit on 10-12-2011 by NewAgeMan because: edit
Originally posted by BlueBanshee
Does this have anything to do with the word goad?
Originally posted by BlueBanshee
Does this have anything to do with the word goad?
Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.
~ John 13:36, KJV
What of the north pole and all that, where did that come from?
Maybe I'm completely mistaken and am reading too much into it, or maybe I'm not and the St. Nick theme is actually a mythical mask for a deeper truth and understanding and historical significance involving Jesus Christ himself.