Rosicrucian Order (AMORC)

I am a Rosicrucian at the Atrium 1 Level (Monograph 14).
I would like to ask any other members of the AMORC for imformation about the Illuminati Degrees which are taken optionally after completing the 9 temple degrees.

I have seen charts of the illuminati structure, which show Rosicrucianism as just another route towards the illuminati. (others include freemasonry, skull & bones, knights templar).

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Hmmmmmmmm, flattery will get you eveywhere. Thank you

Seems that the A.M.O.R.C., like the Skull & Bones; is a manifestation of what Gnostics call: "The Black Lodge".

And chances are, that what I'm about to show you regarding what I've learned about the A.MO.R.C.; you're ego is not going to like:


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I probably won't argue back and forth about it; just thought I'd give you a heads-up, incase you care to investigate the said claims.


*Braces self for reply*

Hej AllseeingEYE

what kind of information do you want??? MABYE I can help.

Untill now, i havent seen any charts of the "hiracy" in any monograph.

AMORC member since 1982, now being a FRC.

Originally posted by Angle 1
Hej AllseeingEYE

what kind of information do you want???

MABYE I can help.

Untill now, i havent seen any charts of the "hiracy" in any monograph.

AMORC member since 1982, now being a FRC.

Hey Angle 1,
Postulant Section: Mandamus No:3, Mentions the Illuminati Section, which consists of 3 Degrees.
Have you taken these 3 degrees? If so does that mean you have become a member of THE illuminati?

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
Hmmmmmmmm, flattery will get you eveywhere. Thank you

Sorry Mate, im not quite sure what your referring to?

you have the same ID,... imitation is most sincere form of flattery.....

Has anyone read AMORC's Positio Fraternitatis Rosae Crucis? I just read it and thought it was a great document. Simple, but profound. I'm curious as to what others thought of it.

Positio Fraternitatis Rosae Crucis

Its so hard to tell what the Rosicrusians really are by reading letters like that. Man is busy and self seeking these days obviously like it says. My great grandfather grew up in a one room shack with a dirt floor and shared it among 14. People aren't that close knit anymore. It sounds like to me the Rosicrusians are a fine Christian organization who really cares about the outcome of the planet.

In my experience as a Rosicrucian, we are not a christian organisation.
We are free to practice any religion we choose, also to find our own personal belief system.

Originally posted by AllseeingEYE
In my experience as a Rosicrucian, we are not a christian organisation.
We are free to practice any religion we choose, also to find our own personal belief system.

AMORC is not Christian, but traditional Rosicrucians are. The Fama and Confessio, which are the earliest Rosicrucian documents and were published in the early 17th century, are Christian in nature, and allude to the divinity of Jesus Christ as the incarnate Son of God and apostasy of the Roman Catholic Church, the latter indicating that the Rosicrucians were all Protestants. In Masonry, a Brother is required to be a Christian in order to join the Masonic Rosicrucian Society.

Fiat Lvx.

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
Hmmmmmmmm, flattery will get you eveywhere. Thank you

hmmm, flattery may get you everywhee, but it got me confused

All Seeing Eye , I thought this post was by you, and at first wondered that you have joined A.M.O.R.C.


[edit on 16-9-2004 by DontTreadOnMe]

Originally posted by AllseeingEYE
In my experience as a Rosicrucian, we are not a christian organisation.
We are free to practice any religion we choose, also to find our own personal belief system.

Well if its not Christian then if must come under the horned god of the witches jurisdiction: Cernununos

[edit on 16-9-2004 by TgSoe]

Originally posted by TgSoe

Well if its not Christian then if must come under the horned god of the witches jurisdiction: Cernununos

[edit on 16-9-2004 by TgSoe]

Could you please expand?

Hey All

The first rosicrusian manuscripts were a protest against the Chatolic dominanse in mind and words, from the interlektual elite.

As I see it, it was a christen protest against the catholic hiracy.

Take a look at Martin Luther! Look at the manuscript "Secret Symbols of the Rosicrusians" or look at the place and period where the R.C. grew up: Europe!

It was and it is a organisation who grew up in the light of sience and the new reformation with chistianety.

A member of any RC-O today can not be a ateist. He or she has to belive in G-d. The 3 pillars in the "Rosicrusian Tempel" is and have always been the Kabbahah, Alchemy and Hermetic philosopy. (yea yea- I know there is no pillars BUT a Shekina in the RC tempel - read between the lines)

So when the new RC-member get "older" he/she will be a: Christen Jew with a Islamic faith with a Buddisdic pease over the mind

The RC stydy/practise will illuminate all to be monoteistic in faith, skeptic in religion and tolerant in society.

Originally posted by Angle 1
So when the new RC-member get "older" he/she will be a: Christen Jew with a Islamic faith with a Buddisdic pease over the mind

The RC stydy/practise will illuminate all to be monoteistic in faith, skeptic in religion and tolerant in society.

I like the sound of that.

Peace Regulus


Since it's actually a pseudo-Rosicrucian school we're dealing with; I'll reply in this here A.M.O.R.C.-thread instead of the Rosicrucian one.

Originally posted by Regulus
At the risk of Tamahu telling me I'm speaking nonsense again here goes;

No, AMORC does not sell initiations and degrees through the mail, like I said it's admin fees and the like. There are people that work for AMORC who obviously need to get paid for their efforts and time. Initiation is most definately a personal inner experience more than the ceremony involved in the physical side.

People are always scared and skeptical of what they don't understand...

Fair enough.


However; even though I don't have any direct, personal experience with this school; from what I have learned about it, there may be some things you ought to be wary of(which I've posted before).


Thelema Press Glossary

A.M.O.R.C. - "In this day and age, how can the students of the school of Sodom doubt the Imperator of their sacred order or of their “Holy Rituals?” The one who is going to fall does not see the gap. The ritual of the first tenebrous initiation that the disciple Beelzebub received in the temple is the same first ritual that the students of A.M.O.R.C. perform today in their room in order to receive their first degree. Thus, in the same way that the student of the first degree from “Sodom” remains enslaved by the Guardian of the Threshold after the rite, as well Beelzebub remained enslaved by the Guardian of the Threshold. This is how he started his career as a demon..." - The Revolution of Beelzebub

(Incase you missed this link):

A.M.O.R.C. School of California


From: "Occult Medicine and Practical Magic"

Presently, in the "Avitchi" (Hell) of the Black Moon, there exist millions of human beings who are paying terrible Karmas. The mind of the Magician becomes horrified when contemplating Lucifer (who is submerged within ardent fire and sulphur).

The mind of the Magician becomes terrified when contemplating the famous Inquisitors from the Middle Ages, who are suffering in the fire which they made others once endure, and who are exhaling the same painful woes which they once made others exhale.

The soul of the Magician shakes with horror when contemplating the great tyrants of "war" who suffer their terrible Karmas in the Black Moon.

There we see Hitler and Mussolini suffering the martyrdom of the fire which they unleashed over defenseless cities.

There we see Abbadon, the angel of the Abyss, who suffers in the chains and bonds with which he martyrized others.

There we see Mariela, the great female Magician, embraced in the fire of her own evilness.

There we see Jahveh and Caiaphas (the supreme priest), both receiving the same torture of the cross on which they condemned the Master (Christ).

There we see the "Imperator," founder of the A.M.O.R.C. School of California, who is seized by the black magical "cord" or "rope" with which he and his followers bind their naive disciples. - Samael Aun Weor, Occult Medicine and Practical Magic

Is this quote suggsting that somewhere on the planet someone exists who can see into a literal hell, burning with fire and sulphur?

Peace TgSoe


Kabbalistically speaking, it's called the Klipoth.

From what I understand, it is very painful, though not Eternal.


For one; only The Divine itself is Eternal.

And two; if "Hell" is Eternal; then how could The Most High also be the Most Merciful?

Here is the world, empty and round,
it goes up and down, glitters and bounces,
it dances around the sun,
trembles and roars, gives and destroys;
now barren, now fertile,
this is the world.
On its huge old back there is a race
both profligate and mad, haughty, cowardly,
subtle and wicked,
whose members devour one another ceaselessly
from the topmost peak to the bottom-most depths
of the wicked world.
An empty fable is Satan to them,
Hell is a matter for mockery and derision,
Paradise for derision and mockery.
Oh by God!
Let me have a good laugh now
thinking of what I'm hiding from them!
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
There goes the world!

- Mefistofele
from the opera Mefistofele
based on Goethe's Faust.


The Ten Sephiroth are Ten Spheres related with the multidimensionality of the Universe. This is the Tree of Life with its divine attributes, which are explained methodically in Four Manifested Cosmic Systems of Worlds that are called in Kabbalah: Atziluth, Briah, Yetzirah and Assiah.

However, there exists according to Kabbalah the shadow of that Tree of Life which does not manifest any divine attribute, but instead is the opposite of all of the Four Manifested Cosmic Systems of Worlds. This is the world of Klipoth.

Klipoth are the Fallen Sephiroth - the Abyss.



These sephiroth are shells, empty vessels, because they do not contain any divine attributes.
All the forces are inverted: "The demon is God inverted."

The forces related to the Tree of Life invert when in the abyss.

Evil below, Good above, in relation to duality.

We have to use our imagination; imagine a landscape, a quiet lake, and a tree on the shore. The tree is reflected in the lake. Which is the Tree and which is the reflection? They both look the same.

[edit on 4-3-2005 by Tamahu]

The rosicrucian order has no relation to the skull & bones. Read carefully with an unbiased mind before your hasty opinion. for knowledge must be spoon fed to a true seeker, for he shall enjoy and appreciate every bite without complaint.



Ninth Degree member, F.R.C