Oppositional Defiant Disorder. Have You Been Diagnosed? How About Your Kids?

I have found lately that the ways that those in the medical field have been able to slowly find ways to not help those with diseases or disorders that genuinely need medical assistance, but how behavioral problems have blow them away.

Children are the most vulnerable to this epidemic, and no matter what they will try to find a way to medicate your children.

Does your child have any of these symptoms?

Signs and Symptoms

Some signs and symptoms that must be perpetuated for longer than 6 months and must be considered beyond normal child behavior to fit the diagnosis are:

Actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules[6]

Deliberately doing things that will annoy other people [7]

Angry and resentful of others[8]

Argues with adults[9]

Blames others for own mistakes

Has few or no friends or has lost friends

Is in constant trouble in school

Spiteful or seeks revenge

Touchy or easily annoyed

Generally, these patterns of behavior will lead to problems at school and other social venues.

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If so then your child is not normally balanced, and will be in need of some type of medical help.

And before you say "but thats how kids are". WRONG!!.

That's how kids used to be, and now that we are moving up the in the world, we need more obedient children. How can the world be better if we have children zombified all day?

Here is a bit of history from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.
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Now who do you think this will benefit in the long run? What type of adult that was diagnosed as a pre-schooler will turn out in the end?

Well according to the Mayo Clinic, if your child is diagnosed with ODD (yes it spells odd), then this will help with:

The earlier this disorder can be managed, the better the chances of reversing its effects on your child and your family. Treatment can help restore your child's self-esteem and rebuild a positive relationship between you and your child. Your child's relationships with other important adults in his or her life — such as teachers, clergy and care providers — also will benefit from early treatment.

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Maybe you cant afford to go to a doctor well go to WebMD, and they might be able to help. or give you a clue on whats going on.

What Causes Oppositional Defiant Disorder?

The exact cause of ODD is not known, but it is believed that a combination of biological, genetic, and environmental factors may contribute to the condition.

Biological: Some studies suggest that defects in or injuries to certain areas of the brain can lead to serious behavioral problems in children. In addition, ODD has been linked to abnormal amounts of special chemicals in the brain called neurotransmitters. Neurotransmitters help nerve cells in the brain communicate with each other. If these chemicals are out of balance or not working properly, messages may not make it through the brain correctly, leading to symptoms of ODD, and other mental illnesses. Further, many children and teens with ODD also have other mental illnesses, such as ADHD, learning disorders, depression, or an anxiety disorder, which may contribute to their behavior problems.
Genetics: Many children and teens with ODD have close family members with mental illnesses, including mood disorders, anxiety disorders, and personality disorders. This suggests that a vulnerability to develop ODD may be inherited.
Environmental: Factors such as a dysfunctional family life, a family history of mental illnesses and/or substance abuse, and inconsistent discipline by parents may contribute to the development of behavior disorders.

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According to their "genetic" suggestion, many people that may have been "disobedient" as children and have children now of their own, may in fact be prone to having this disorder now.

There is literally a force that is trying their damnedest to make sure that kids of the future can listen carefully to all authority, behave at all times, no matter the circumstance, and ultimately be the conformed children of the future rulers of this planet.

We need to stand up for our children, and make sure that we the parents are informed, and aware of those that are trying to make life better for TPTB as they see fit. You are ultimately in charge of your children, and the way that things are going that is slowly being taken from us. If we allow all of our children to become medicated, or taken to a therapist that only sees your child as a diagnoses as opposed to a child that is being just that a child, then our futures will be a very different place.

Peace, NRE.

why dont the people that come up with these insane ideas take some of their own pills and see how they like it?

I saw this a year or two ago but it was called "Teenage Defiance Disorder" I guess they are trying to expand their patients/.money earned.

This guy?

(david rovics

That was an awesome song, and so very true.

Peace, NRE.

sounds just like me in elementary and high school!

I used to argue with the authority just for the sake of questioning their legitamacy.

I have been accused of this before. It usually happens when I get hostile and uncooperative when I do not see things their way. I usually just go ahead and tell them to piss off and go about my business.

My theory as to why it affects kids, is that I think that they honestly see that there is something wrong in the world but due to lack of maturity they are unable to properly communicate how they feel and so they lash out. I think the system itself is the sole cause of this.

Oh,so now they have an excuse,or disorder for people that defy authority so they can "treat" them into being submissive good little sheep.

Nice.

Boy,if they had that back when I was a kid,I would of had a frontal lobotomy.
I was as defiant as they come,but smart enough to stay out of jail.

Thanks for sharing that,NRE,thats a new one on me.

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Signs and Symptoms

Some signs and symptoms that must be perpetuated for longer than 6 months and must be considered beyond normal child behavior to fit the diagnosis are:

Actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules[6]

Deliberately doing things that will annoy other people [7]

Angry and resentful of others[8]

Argues with adults[9]

Blames others for own mistakes

Has few or no friends or has lost friends

Is in constant trouble in school

Spiteful or seeks revenge

Touchy or easily annoyed

Generally, these patterns of behavior will lead to problems at school and other social venues.


I am not in school but I have all of the other 'symptoms'. So do you think maybe the pharmaceutical companies manufacture illness or disease to market their drugs?

I do.

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the psychotherapeutic community
is just another guild of thieves and con artists
that want you to believe
that they are scientists/can be objective
about the subjective.

while accusing shamans and medicine people
of being frauds, self deluded or even requiring their services
they seek to occupy the same place/role in society

and yet none of them have ever made the inner journey

healer, heal thyself comes to mind

they are also whores to authority as well
the ever changing definitions of insanity are always contingent on the politics of the day

when the suffragettes were fighting for women's rights and the vote; schizophrenia was a women's disease
when minorities started to protest and demand civil rights schizophrenia then became a black disease

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What I found troubled me greatly. As I write in the book, "the charts documented in minute detail the tragedy of what it meant to be warehoused in a state asylum at mid-century—and, in particular, in an asylum where short court sentences devolved into lifelong incarceration. A number of charts contained yearly notes from patients to their doctors voicing such sentiments as Doc, I really think I am cured or Dear Doctor, I believe I am ready to go home, or, You have no right to keep me here. These letters stacked thirty-deep in some charts, signifying years of pleading and longing and anger, together with thirty years of responses from clinicians urging, You are almost there, or: Perhaps next year. Invariably, the last note in each stack was a death certificate from the Ionia coroner."

When did you first suspect that diagnostic patterns with schizophrenia had become heavily racialized?

I found dramatic racial and gender shifts in persons diagnosed with schizophrenia at Ionia during the 1960s—so much so that schizophrenia's racial and gendered transformation became the central narrative of my book. This shift became apparent very early in my research. Before the 60s, Ionia doctors viewed schizophrenia as an illness that afflicted nonviolent, white, petty criminals, including the hospital's considerable population of women from rural Michigan. Charts emphasized the negative impact of "schizophrenogenic styles" on these women's abilities to perform their duties as mothers and wives.

To say the least, these patients were not seen as threatening. This patient wasn't able to take care of her family as she should, read one chart; another, This patient is not well adjusted and can't do her housework; and another, She got confused and talked too loudly and embarrassed her husband.

By the mid- to late-1960s, however, schizophrenia was a diagnosis disproportionately applied to the hospital's growing population of African American men from urban Detroit. Perhaps the most shocking evidence I uncovered was that hospital charts "diagnosed" these men in part because of their symptoms, but also because of their connections to the civil rights movement. Many of the men were sent to Ionia after convictions for crimes that ranged from armed robbery to participation in civil-rights protests, to property destruction during periods of civil unrest, such as the Detroit riots of 1968. Charts stressed how hallucinations and delusions rendered these men as threats not only to other patients, but also to clinicians, ward attendants, and to society itself. You'd see comments like Paranoid against his doctors and the police. Or, Would be a danger to society were he not in an institution.

Did the second edition of the DSM, released in 1968, have a significant influence on that shift in emphasis?

One of the key pieces of evidence I use to help explain the shifts seen at Ionia is through an extensive analysis of the changing language associated with the official psychiatric definition of schizophrenia. Before the 60s, psychiatry often posited that schizophrenia was a psychological "reaction" to a splitting of the basic functions of personality. Official descriptors emphasized the generally calm nature of such persons, in ways that encouraged associations with middle-class housewives.

But the frame changed in the 60s. In 1968, in the midst of a political climate marked by profound protest and social unrest, psychiatry published the second edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual. That text recast the paranoid subtype of schizophrenia as a disorder of masculinized belligerence. "The patient's attitude is frequently hostile and aggressive," DSM-II claimed, "and his behavior tends to be consistent with his delusions." I have a lot of data in my book that shows how this language—particularly terms such as "hostility" and "aggression"—was used to justify schizophrenia diagnoses in black men at Ionia in the 1960s and 1970s.

How would you explain that shift, and would you view American psychiatry in those years as exhibiting either manifest or unconscious racism? Was it just coincidence that the DSM-II language enabled the diagnosis of schizophrenia among increasing numbers of African Americans?

That's a very important question. I argue extensively in my book that the purpose of my analysis is not to lay blame for individual racism, because I feel that such blame-games oversimplify what was going on. Many of the doctors at Ionia genuinely wanted to help their patients. I also talk to psychiatrists who worked on the DSM-II who told me that they were trying to do the best they could to produce scientific, objective diagnostic criteria.

At the same time, my evidence shows how even the most scientific diagnostic criteria can reflect the social environments in which they are produced, a process I discuss through the language of structural or institutional violence.

This was certainly the case for the DSM-II. As I show, the manual's emphasis on hostility and aggression reflected a much-wider set of national conversations and anxieties about civil rights. The shifting frame surrounding schizophrenia had dire consequences for African American men held at the Ionia State Hospital during the civil-rights era. More broadly, my evidence also shows that growing numbers of research articles in professional journals used this language to cast schizophrenia as a disorder of racialized aggression.

In the worst cases, psychiatric authors conflated the schizophrenic symptoms of African American patients with the perceived schizophrenia of civil rights protests, particularly those organized by Black Power, the Black Panthers, the Nation of Islam, or other activist groups. Ultimately, new psychiatric definitions of schizophrenic illness in the 60s impacted persons of many different racial and ethnic backgrounds. Some patients became schizophrenic because of changes in diagnostic criteria rather than in their clinical symptoms. Others saw their diagnoses changed to depression, anxiety, or other conditions because they did not manifest hostility or aggression.

ok so i barely got through this at the first section.......the first thought i have; so basically every child in every school through out the united states is not balanced?????

seriously think about how many kids truly show these signs. at some point we all have done something in that list it's part of the process of growing up and learning what not to do.. and what you actually get away with

just a thought

A couple of videos I'd like to present that talk about the use of diagnosis of a mental disorder as a weapon to stygmatize people. Especially children.

Thomas Stephen Szasz (play /ˈsɑːs/ sahss; born April 15, 1920) is a psychiatrist and academic. Since 1990[1] he has been Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry at the State University of New York Health Science Center in Syracuse, New York. He is a well-known social critic of the moral and scientific foundations of psychiatry, and of the social control aims of medicine in modern society, as well as of scientism. His books The Myth of Mental Illness (1960) and The Manufacture of Madness: A Comparative Study of the Inquisition and the Mental Health Movement (1970) set out some of the arguments with which he is most associated.

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Dr. Jeffrey Shaler 2006 Thomas Szasz award winner.

Signs and Symptoms OF GIFTEDNESS IN CHILDREN

Some signs and symptoms that must be perpetuated for longer than 6 months and must be considered beyond normal child behavior to fit the diagnosis are:

Actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules[6]

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Deliberately doing things that will annoy other people [7]

-often

Angry and resentful of others[8]

-often

Argues with adults[9]

-often

Blames others for own mistakes

-maybe so, maybe not

Has few or no friends or has lost friends

-often

Is in constant trouble in school

-often

Spiteful or seeks revenge

-maybe so, maybe not

Touchy or easily annoyed

-check

Generally, these patterns of behavior will lead to problems at school and other social venues.

Of course they will, that's because society and their institutions are a bit mucked up at this point, and the gifted know this all too well.

If kids don't like you because you're a pompous idiot, kids don't have a problem - you do.

Pretty much sums it up in most cases.

Do dems and repubs think the other side has ODD?

Oppositional Defiant Disorder? Sounds to me like this new "disorder" is exactly what we all need to be infected with.

I have for many years lived by the motto that "Defiance is the key to liberty". As soon as any person or society becomes complacent then that person or that society has, by default lost their liberties. I say this because it is only common sense that you can not be complacent and remain free, the 2 are direct antithesis to each other.

This is surely nothing more than another "boogie-man" label that is handed out to label some one whom doesn't fit in or abide by the status quo. I'm just curious as to how we survived all of these last hundreds of years before big pharma came along with all of their labels. Funny thing is, while we didn't have the modern conveniences of today, our way of life was for the most part much simpler and better.

This is just another attempt by TPTB to label those that refuse to conform.

What I wonder most are the parents that think that this is not natural behavior. If a child goes to school and disagrees with something, how do parents ignore what the initial problem is?

All we will be doing is getting kids to be "nice, quite, conforming" adults, that will automatically have their children diagnosed, because they themselves were "problems" and need this type of assistance.

When I was younger I wasn't taught to ask questions, but it was who I was, and made me into the adult I am today. I am now a parent, and fear that by me allowing my children to ask questions, and that asking questions is the most important part of what life lessons is all about, that my children will automatically become labeled in this way.

There will truly become a more separated world, when the medicated/diagnosed vs. non-conformist will have the new world to deal with.

How do we as researchers deal with what we know will become the future for our children and grandchildren?

Peace, NRE.

We've actually discussed ODD on here before and it was found that most people had no idea what they were talking about when it came to mental health. Of course this is the site that will even tell people with schizophrenia to stop taking their medication so what can you expect?

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tsk tsk,



"the site" does nothing of the sort, but some individuals may have said that. In many instances I'd recommend schizophrenics taper off the meds, and clean out their bodies/psyches a bit. It seems schizophrenia has a purpose in our species, and has been on the rise since the industrial revolution.

I reason that it's an alternative strategy to promote the group preservation instinct in troubled times. Seeing it as "a disease" is what seems to thwart the potential for growth in these individuals. Now that isn't to say that some people manifest schizophrenia in ways which have no benefit whatsoever, but to lump all who carry the label of schizophrenia as being diseased, and in need of psychiatric medications, is just ignorant.

I'm not against pharmaceutical medications 100%, but think they should be used sparingly, and as a last resort when all other tools of the community have been extinguished. That doesn't seem to be the way it's handled in most instances.

reply to post by Nucleardiver

More likely lazy parents who would rather drug their children than be a real parent.

Parent " Little Johnny is not obeying me,what should I do?"
Psychiatrist "Give him this pill"


Questioning authority figures and lying is a sign of a very intelligent child.

Lying, which requires the brain to manipulate information, is associated with brain regions that permit higher-order thinking. It's also very common: some 20 percent of 2-year-olds lie, nearly 50 percent of 3-year-olds lie and close to 90 percent of kids lie at age 4. The most deceitful age of all, says The Telegraph, is 12, when almost every kid tells fibs and by the age of 16, lying starts to decrease. Just 70 percent of 16-year-olds lie.

So why snuff that out?

Because people don't like to be out smarted.
Especially those in authority like politicians.

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Though I do think that this has a lot to do with lazy parents, it also lies with parents who have children and have no idea how to raise them. Back in the day, a parent could as another parent, or have an older adult help with such things as temper-tantrums. etc,. But now everything is to ask your physician.

If you ask most parents where they go for parenting information, they will say it was their physician, the children's school, or some other authoritative figure.

What answer would you think you would get from any of those people?

Peace, NRE.

It's interesting to note that false shepherds do not care that a person understands and emulates godliness, but rather, they are simply concerned with the general display occurring. While I do accept the portion of reasoning that supposes that if there is an effect, there must be a greater cause, I also accept that there is a great distinction in understanding and emulating versus simply "going through the motions." This will end up being another failed attempt to bring order to chaos via decaying means. Nevertheless, as our society is more and more forced to look upon the fruit of our labor, things will change (And, ironically, stay the same - Maybe it should be said that the reduction will concentrate further -- What a flavor that will be... I bet it would be better consumed via burning, leading to an elegant mollification).