Ron Paul . A mason ?

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I just don't know about this and don't know him much.

But ,

Is he a mason ? the savior ?

What are you basing this on....a little more info please. At least a link to an article would be nice.

Please don't tell me it's based on a handshake in a photo

reply to post by hmdphantom
First off, he's not "the savior". He's just the right man for the problems we're facing, in my opinion, as he saw them coming years in advance and warned us as to the causes and the outcome - and he knows the medicine necessary for proper treatment.

Secondly, yet once again: Ron Paul is NOT a Freemason.

Take care.

In an interview, he was asked about universal health care.

He suggested Shriner Hospitals.

So there we go.

Everyone knows you're either a Socialist or a Free Mason these days.

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Ahhhhh...a post based in sanity....nice

Originally posted by Destinyone
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Ahhhhh...a post based in sanity....nice

SHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Don't tell anyone, I'm trying to fit in here at ATS...it was just a momentary lapse and won't happen again, I promise.

I just asked and I know that some people know how to make some one give a masonic handshake.

I just asked a question and I am waiting if some one provide me with more information.

Edit to add: It reads:

Dear (name removed),

I am not and never have been a freemason.
Carol is doing well.
Thanks for your support,
Ron Paul

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Lol. Using a letter written by Ron Paul as your source for proving he's not a Freemason is a bit silly, isn't it?

I'm no way, shape, or form saying he is a Mason, but even based off of that I wouldn't use it to further my belief that he wasn't. Freemasonry at the upper-echelon is based on the premise of secrecy; it would be no surprise for Ron Paul (if he was a highly-ranked Mason) to deny his membership. Much like if he were a low-ranking Mason he would not have any reason to deny it.

He may be, he may not be. That's all there is to it.

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No, it's not silly at all. You find me 1 source of evidence that Ron Paul has ever lied publicly about anything he is about and then you have basis for your argument.

Originally posted by freakjive
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No, it's not silly at all. You find me 1 source of evidence that Ron Paul has ever lied publicly about anything he is about and then you have basis for your argument.

> Implying a lack of evidence Ron Paul lies to the public means he doesn't lie.

Besides, I never said Ron Paul lies about his politics. But, a Freemason agenda and political agenda pertaining to a nation are two very different things, and it's almost like your argument almost puts them on the same level.

reply to post by jem504
In addition to freakjive's response, exactly what reason would Ron Paul have to lie about being a Freemason? High degree masons appear to have no predisposition toward lying about their positions as they regularly flaunt their degrees and lodges, and even if he were a high-ranking mason who sought to lie for some reason, he could just say he's a low-ranking mason as you yourself say would apparently be OK to admit (for some unfathomable reason...), leaving all of us none the wiser.

It's simply a spurious argument of no import in the first place as a lot of good people are masons and openly admit to it, and the masons have done quite a few good works over a good period of time (we claim quite a few as our own brother members here at ATS), there's no reason for Paul to lie about it if he were as the masons are not outlawed or otherwise in general disfavour, and no indication that Paul is a liar on any front for that matter.

And judging just from this picture, it appears that Paul and whoever he's shaking hands with (was it Affleck?) are stretching to reach as he's trying to avoid rubbing against Maher's junk. Let's see some pictures of him shaking hands with someone standing in a more comfortable position for comparison:
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I'll just go ahead and appeal to Occam's razor and say that Paul probably has the same problem I do - sometimes you just can't get a good shake in, or you're trying to shake hands with an idiot who apparently doesn't know how it works.

Can we get a substantial argument or bit of evidence to press this matter on now, or otherwise let it drop as the pointless and silly thing it is?

EDIT:
And just so we're all clear...if a hand-written and signed testimony that one is not a mason will not suffice to prove that one is, in fact, not a mason - in the absence of any actual evidence that one IS a mason - what WOULD be sufficient to prove that one isn't a mason? How do you prove a negative?

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he could just say he's a low-ranking mason

I don't think that saying he is a low-ranking mason will make people believe he is law-rank considering his influence and political power.

And judging just from this picture, it appears that Paul and whoever he's shaking hands with (was it Affleck?) are stretching to reach as he's trying to avoid rubbing against Maher's junk

I think it is better to sit back and see if there is more evidence. Or it will be judging too soon.

Here is my thinking. If he is going to shake hands with someone he could reach further to shake like other normal people shake hand.

But all these are theories. It is not enough to judge this.

I think we should search more. Judging by one picture it is not true.

It's too bad. He would be a wonderful Mason.

His wife is in the Order of the Eastern Star, and apparently she is very active.

If Ron Paul was a Mason, you can bet we would be shouting it from the rooftops!! According to him, he has just never had the interest. I can understand that with Med School, Med Practice, and Politics.

Too bad though. Maybe we should make him an honorary one!!


ETA:
For the record, there is no more information to be had. Only the fact that he is most certainly NOT a Mason.

If he were a Mason, he would not hide the fact, and neither would we. We would endorse and promote it, and so would he! Masons are well-respected in real life, and it would help his campaign, not hinder it. The wonderful world of the internet is the only place you get these silly discussions about Masons. In your community you will find exactly the opposite. Masons support their communities and communities support their Masons.

Originally posted by hmdphantom
I just asked and I know that some people know how to make some one give a masonic handshake.

I just asked a question and I am waiting if some one provide me with more information.

No...you didn't just say that....I was joking in my first post, that you based this whole thread on a photo of a handshake....ugh....

Who cares? Everytime I hear him speak (which isn't often thank to the MSM) I agree with everything that he says. He speaks common sense.

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I don't think that saying he is a low-ranking mason will make people believe he is law-rank considering his influence and political power.

So you think he instead might lie about it all together and then flash it in front of everyone's face on national television?

I think it is better to sit back and see if there is more evidence. Or it will be judging too soon...

...But all these are theories. It is not enough to judge this.

I think we should search more. Judging by one picture it is not true.

Well said. I don't see any revelatory information as likely to be forthcoming, though, since I don't really see any reason to suspect it in the first place.

Here is my thinking. If he is going to shake hands with someone he could reach further to shake like other normal people shake hand.

Plenty of pictures of him doing just that - not too many with him doing it with someone sitting 5 or so feet away, though. And the man WAS probably 73 years old at the time of this picture, as well.

Originally posted by Praetorius
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High degree masons appear to have no predisposition toward lying about their positions as they regularly flaunt their degrees and lodges, and even if he were a high-ranking mason who sought to lie for some reason, he could just say he's a low-ranking mason as you yourself say would apparently be OK to admit (for some unfathomable reason...)

All high-ranking masons? And how, exactly, is the admittance of being a low-ranking Mason being compared to the admittance of, let's say, a 32 degree or 33 degree Mason? I'm not a Freemason scholar, but I can easily say that that claim seems a great deal less fathomable than mine. And yes, it would be reasonable if he were lying to maybe admit to being a lower-ranked Mason.

It's simply a spurious argument of no import in the first place as a lot of good people are masons and openly admit to it, and the masons have done quite a few good works over a good period of time (we claim quite a few as our own brother members here at ATS), there's no reason for Paul to lie about it if he were as the masons are not outlawed or otherwise in general disfavour, and no indication that Paul is a liar on any front for that matter.

Perhaps; the only argument I made is that if Ron Paul is a 30+ degree Mason, it seems very possible that he would choose not to admit it.

And judging just from this picture, it appears that Paul and whoever he's shaking hands with (was it Affleck?) are stretching to reach as he's trying to avoid rubbing against Maher's junk. Let's see some pictures of him shaking hands with someone standing in a more comfortable position for comparison:
Google image results

Obviously I would only make the claim that handshakes (that are, no matter how relevant, Masonic handshakes) could be construed as a member shaking another member's hand. I don't think that picture is indicative of anything. I happen to agree it might have just been an awkward handshake.

I'm not arguing for or against Ron Paul's possible membership. I only try to keep an open-mind. I think a lot of people jump to conclusions because they just simply don't believe it's possible, or because they think it's impossible he isn't. And I've learned that just when you think you know something, you know absolutely nothing or you don't know the whole story.

I just know that one should always keep an eye open when it comes to these things.

If you use the ATS search feature using Ron Paul Freemason you will see this topic has been posted quite a bit.

1. Ron Paul's father was a Freemason and Dr. Paul has said himself many times that he respects the organization and has been to many of the open meetings in his district. I should know, I was his scheduler for ten years.

2. His wife, Carol is a member of the Velasco Order of the Eastern Star and maintains her membership in the Freeport area lodge.

3. Their daughters, Lori and Joy, were both Rainbow girls, another organization associated with Freemasonry.

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