New Possible Theory On the Downed RQ-170 Drone from an Insider

reply to post by willnot


They had no way to introduce stuxnet to it (if they even have it under their control) and I would say this thing is EMP resistant.

reply to post by JAY1980


It's not a weapon drone. Hence the RQ.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


If a top secret drones receiver was overwhelmed, do you think it would crash? Seems like it would start flying a pattern/perimeter until it picked up the signal again.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

If a top secret drones receiver was overwhelmed, do you think it would crash? Seems like it would start flying a pattern/perimeter until it picked up the signal again

It could also be designed to fry its own circuits and assume a descent pattern the moment it loses signal. This could be for a number of reasons - but one can't always presume "home base" is really "home base."

reply to post by Aim64C


Yeah.. but I doubt that with how much they cost.
Look what happened to polecat. One of a kind (i believe) gone.

reply posted on 9-12-2011 @ 02:41 PM by GogoVicMorrow

If a top secret drones receiver was overwhelmed, do you think it would crash? Seems like it would start flying a pattern/perimeter until it picked up the signal again.

now... that sounds like the reaction by an 'Autonomous' drone which had landmarks or coordinates to continually guide the flight path...

si, i guess that a RC pilot only can online with the drone after a navigation failure... and that RC pilot turned out to be the Iranian who took control & diverted the craft to land where the 'hostiles' wanted...


no wonder WWIII , AKA The Gog-Magog Battle will be with a massive Calvery with bows & spears...
as all the high tech weapons will have already been compromised...and not be reliable

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


You would think, but it's all speculative at this point. I doubt anyone here or anywhere in the MSM has any real clues as to why this went down.

For all we know, the US wanted them to recover it, maybe the military-industrial complex decided it's time for another reason to upgrade all our stealth technology, what better reason for that then 'accidentally' letting some of the current technology be compromised by falling into enemy hands.

Giving the enemy some new technology to feed escalation.

They don't come up with things fast enough on their own.

There was a similiar event or not so similiar surrounding the explosion in Iran which killed it's top missile commander.The conspiracy was that Israel let a UAV crash land or however it was grounded...and then detonated the trojan horse after the military took it to the depot..

You would think that these would have a self detonating device onboard in case of such an ' accident. '

reply to post by Daedal


You would. Which is why it is pretty apparent that much of this sort of technology is intended to be picked up eventually by other militaries.

With how often we are being sold that it is "fair" for Arabs to end up equally equiped with things like nuclear technology, it would seem that there is a pretty big push to bring them up to a technological level that might be competitive with the West / Russia.

I personally am not on board with "fair" but I get asked so often about it that it would seem that there are actors actively selling this idea to people.

I have a theory.
(laugh now)

Maybe it was purposely given to Iran. Technology that is actually inferior. Technology that we dont mind losing.

I can only believe,as much money the US spends on their Military,that this was inferior technology,meant to be given to the Iranians,knowing full well they would share it with the Chinese,and Russians.



(ok,stop laughing)

Self detonating device need not be big.

I could build a self detonating charge that you could place in a desktop computer,

And when it went off all you would hear is a pop and see a little smoke come out.

A hard drive can be completely destroyed with only a few grams of explosives and need not even break the case of the hard drive
This is because the player is spinning at a high speed and all the explosive has to do is crack it the spinning desk will then self destruct on its own.

Anyone that has had a CD disk come apart in there computer will understand.

Even something as simple as a powerful magnet being forced down a tube against a spinning hard drive will destroy all the data on it.

My guess is Iran has a aircraft frame with a bunch of self destructed junk in it.

That would leave Iran with only the airframe for a propaganda show,

Knowing it will be reverse engineered, the "drone" has been designed to take advantage of such processes to intentionally push their weapons development teams down a dead end street. Also any attempt to deploy their "clones" will produce a very specific signature so the enemies location (what country) will now be determined. It is a tracer feed. We are so arrogant that we think they don't know that.

Originally posted by ANNED
Self detonating device need not be big.

I could build a self detonating charge that you could place in a desktop computer,

And when it went off all you would hear is a pop and see a little smoke come out.

A hard drive can be completely destroyed with only a few grams of explosives and need not even break the case of the hard drive
This is because the player is spinning at a high speed and all the explosive has to do is crack it the spinning desk will then self destruct on its own.

Anyone that has had a CD disk come apart in there computer will understand.

Even something as simple as a powerful magnet being forced down a tube against a spinning hard drive will destroy all the data on it.

My guess is Iran has a aircraft frame with a bunch of self destructed junk in it.

That would leave Iran with only the airframe for a propaganda show,

edit on 9-12-2011 by ANNED because: (no reason given)

Here is a bit of the latest news that seems to confirm your hypothesis (sans the pyrotechnics, that is only in the movies....)

Several software packages on board are programmed to corrupt themselves if the Sentinel’s communications nodes are not properly interrogated at certain points, but U.S. officials don’t know which are intact and which aren’t.

What worries the U.S. more than the stealth capabilities themselves is the possibility that China will help Iran access the software and figure out how to break the encryption used to protect it. Though codes can be changed, a knowledge of the underlying software logic could jeopardize other sensitive technical collection systems.

Officials: Navigation System Failure Probable Cause of Drone Crash

There have been pictures of Stealth Aircraft for years and only now are China and Russia building them, the F117, the F22 and the B2 have all been at airshows where 'spies'would have photographed them, got the dimensions, everything to allow russia, china or anyone the ability to make a mock up.

But that doesnt give you stealth and a flyable platform.

The aircraft only flies because of excellent software, the comms uplink / downlink is probably based on commercial compression technology run through crypto and uploaded to satellite, and it dosnt have a radar just an expensive camera.

If the software was erased and the cryptos destroyed, all Iran have is potentially some radar absorbant material which I am sure that russia and china have already developed. The technology is all in the code which hopefully is gone. They havnt got fk all IMO. Comercial chips in hardened boxes.

The Flight Control Software takes years to develop, Iran couldnt fly this thing for a decade providing it was erased and in that time these will be obsolete. The Command Control software takes years to develop and the infrastructure (satellites), not aware Iran have any. So nothing, its an expendable drone, performed its mission but malfunctioned.

You all make me feel so much better.

I have 2 articles in my kitchen about drone tech that I haven't read yet.

So, would you say that real magic then is all in the programming? If so, then flying around even encrypted seems like a problem. I wonder why they aren't set up in a mainframe/terminal system.

50,000 foot view needs more details. Must go find some.

Originally posted by willnot

New Possible Theory On the Downed RQ-170 Drone from an Insider

thechaniproject.com

In the event of a catastrophic power/propulsion or forward momentum failure, the RQ-170's wing design will cause it to "glide" down in a "falling leaf" spiral, resulting in minimal damage.

I thought some of those reading along might enjoy this video.

This is a RQ-4 Global Hawk demonstrating the "falling leaf" spiral glide and the resulting "minimal" damage...





Different UAV planform, same physics, same result....

reply to post by Aeons


Posted in the other thread, Iran displays captured US drone,

UAV case study using RQ-4 Global Hawk ...



A Study of a Reconnaissance Surveillance Vehicle

enjoy!

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot

Originally posted by willnot

New Possible Theory On the Downed RQ-170 Drone from an Insider

thechaniproject.com

In the event of a catastrophic power/propulsion or forward momentum failure, the RQ-170's wing design will cause it to "glide" down in a "falling leaf" spiral, resulting in minimal damage.

I thought some of those reading along might enjoy this video.

This is a RQ-4 Global Hawk demonstrating the "falling leaf" spiral glide and the resulting "minimal" damage...

Different UAV planform, same physics, same result....

edit on 9-12-2011 by Drunkenparrot because: syntax

I know about this crash and that they were not releasing fuel to regain control.

They were releasing fuel so that the aircraft would not burn on inpact.
They did this one because they knew it was going down and to be able to recover the data recorders that this test modal carried.

This crash happened very early in the aircraft test program and before the aircraft became operational.
crashes of test aircraft are part of the program and common. That is the reason they test them.

There is over 350 aircraft crash sites on the ranges at China Lake. from the years of testing.

PS look at the location on my profile.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

Yeah.. but I doubt that with how much they cost.
Look what happened to polecat. One of a kind (i believe) gone.

Most of the costs of those things is in the development and tool up for manufacture.

The reason Iran doesn't have these things is not because they can't figure out how to build something that -looks- the same as it. It's because they don't have access to the same developmental resources; thousands of man-hours spent designing, troubleshooting, and debugging computer and electromechanical hardware; thousands of man-hours spent developing software and adjusting it based on feedback from 'pilot' programs... hundreds of hours spent changing dies and loading code into machines and millions of dollars worth of material....

Most of the costs are in the development process. We don't want them to be able to figure out -how- we did what we did. Most of the electronics in that thing are probably obsolete in civilian terms. They don't want -new- processors. They want -reliable- processors - ones that have already been through the ringer in industry. Of course - if they do have pre-market solutions in them, then there is that much more reason to ensure they are not reverse-engineered.

Anyway - the point is, it costs more to have it fall into enemy hands than it does to destroy it. It costs even more if the thing gets turned against you in some manner.