how they fought in the 70's, how we lost, what I learned (please comment)

Yes, as a child running the neighborhood during the 60's, I gained valuable life experiences.

My friends dads and older brothers were always working on things, or making cabinets to sell and their mothers made lots of the clothing my friends wore. I was a tomboy, so the dads taught me about tools and let me get greasy. They took the time to actually teach me about power tools and safely using them.

I had learned basic skills to be a Jane of all trades. Looking back, what I remember was the caring. When you made a product, you took a step back and took pride in what you made with your very own hands. It was like you put love into each piece you produced. You could take a man for his word. If it didn't work, he would fix it.

All these dads were my teachers in one way or another.

Originally posted by electricalpup

All these dads were my teachers in one way or another.

I think my heart just broke a little bit.
As far as I can tell,
all indications are,
that world is completely gone.
This is what we have now.


David Grouchy


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Nope, the consumer never once demanded the cheaper part.

Never once bought the cheap from China instead of the expensive from local.

Nope, everybody else but the consumers fault.

The 99% are 99% of the mess. Deal with it.

Anybody want to take a stab at how many of my clients walk in and say, "I want quality, price be damned!"?

No, they walk in and say, "I want your most economical Lambourghini".

Consumers have gotten exactly what they have asked, and paid, for.

Originally posted by peck420

Consumers have gotten exactly what they have asked, and paid, for.

I agree.
I can even point to the conditioning used in old TV advertisements to ensure it turned out that way.
That the customer knew and cared to demand the best price.


David Grouchy

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Oil.
Is it working for us.


David Grouchy

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This is what TV culture has produced.
Sizeable chunks of the culture that do not even know how to ask for a raise.

And it gets worse from there.

I remember during the London Riots that the story got out that a politician asked some industrialists why didn't they just hire the people. They laughed and replied "it isn't that we don't want to hire them, it's that they are unemployable." I don't know what we are raising these days, but it sure doesn't seem to be people.


David Grouchy

I would say that 80 percent of the contents of my house and garage are vintage dating anywhere from the 40's-70's. Almost everything in my house with the exception of electronic items is vintage and made far better than anything made today. And this vintage stuff was built to last, unlike most stuff you buy today. Most everything has been handed down from my grandparents. From the kitchen appliances to the furniture and everything in between, I know I can hand these down to my kids when the time comes, and they'll still be working and in great shape. I prefer the older things. Almost everything you buy today is made to be disposable. Make it cheap so it breaks quickly so you have to spend more money to replace it.

Originally posted by virraszto
I would say that 80 percent of the contents of my house and garage are vintage dating anywhere from the 40's-70's. Almost everything in my house with the exception of electronic items is vintage and made far better than anything made today. And this vintage stuff was built to last, unlike most stuff you buy today. Most everything has been handed down from my grandparents. From the kitchen appliances to the furniture and everything in between, I know I can hand these down to my kids when the time comes, and they'll still be working and in great shape. I prefer the older things. Almost everything you buy today is made to be disposable. Make it cheap so it breaks quickly so you have to spend more money to replace it.

Funny, I was just looking around my bedroom and thinking about the rest of my apartment and aside from my heavy heavy kitchen/dining room table, NOTHING in my house is hand made I bet. Nothing. I love antiques. Dearly. I'm almost 39. Once I land a job (and I will; my determination has kept me walking forward for 14 months now even after countless times being slammed to my knees or even face since I lost my job end of '10) I think Im going to start returning to those antique places which people around here run on their own and purchase useful items that will last forever. It will also help the people running the places.

I feel quite warm inside now with hope and love. Forget expendable stuff. Those plates, cups, bowls, chairs and such from the 1910's, 1890's etc are still able to be used. That push lawnmower which makes that chicka chicka sound still cuts grass and gasp you get exercise at the same time ohmygod...... you all just motivated me deeply with this thread.

Thank you all SO SO SO SO SO much. I actually feel some pride. Pride for those before me, those dads in the neighborhood who took pride in creating useful things; who took pride in taking time to teach their child and neighbors children how to create as well. I want to purchase things which were hand made with love and continue to utilize that love and pride which someone's hard work, love and pride created.

My word, I'm almost tearing up by how touched and warm I'm feeling over this. Thank you a million fold, every last one of you in this thread. Thank you.

At times I fantasise that the community on ATS should pack up, steal and Island and create our own country.

In 2000 I bought a pair of shoes for 100$, and they lasted until 2010. That's when I finally gave up on them because the sole fell off the left foot finally. I wore them everywhere, and would walk everyday a pretty considerable distance. When I was going to the Univ I had to walk many miles per day, especially because I had to park really far away from campus.

I then replaced those shoes with some 15$ ones in 2010. It's now 2011 and they are already falling apart!

Looks like reality agrees with the OP's assessment! Good post, so true!

From a ladies point of view. I am 41 years old and I was raised by my great grandmother. We didn't buy bread, we made it. We didn't but any baked goods, we made them and froze them. Come berry season, we jammed and stored our fruits. This was also done for pickling season. We knew how to cook. That gave us a years supply at a time. You mended your clothes, you didn't toss them out. Everything was re-useable somehow. We weren't poor. It's just how "things were done".

I see today many young girls/ladies that if you asked them about yeast, they'd think you were talking about an infection

Ladies teach your children how to be conservative, yes the boys too.

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This is due to the failure of the generations after our great grandparents to see what they were saying and heed it. Most people listen to their old folks and shrug them off and think their talking nonsense. Things have changed since they were young so we assume their information is outdated.

Now, we have accepted a new way of life due to that, instead of complaining about the changes that were detrimental they were accepted. Our grandparents knew the down-fall of losing morals, allowing business to get too big, allowing banks to get too big, too bad we didn't listen to them eh?

Originally posted by virraszto
I would say that 80 percent of the contents of my house and garage are vintage dating anywhere from the 40's-70's. Almost everything in my house with the exception of electronic items is vintage and made far better than anything made today. And this vintage stuff was built to last, unlike most stuff you buy today. Most everything has been handed down from my grandparents. From the kitchen appliances to the furniture and everything in between, I know I can hand these down to my kids when the time comes, and they'll still be working and in great shape. I prefer the older things. Almost everything you buy today is made to be disposable. Make it cheap so it breaks quickly so you have to spend more money to replace it.

I applaud you but please replace the kitchen appliances, your using way too much electricity with those old units and new units are built to last. At least appliances are made well these days. This topic does not cover everything, while some things are not built to last, some things are. I doubt it's all encompassing.

Originally posted by davidgrouchy
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This is what TV culture has produced.
Sizeable chunks of the culture that do not even know how to ask for a raise.

And it gets worse from there.

I remember during the London Riots that the story got out that a politician asked some industrialists why didn't they just hire the people. They laughed and replied "it isn't that we don't want to hire them, it's that they are unemployable." I don't know what we are raising these days, but it sure doesn't seem to be people.

David Grouchy

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What's being raised David Grouchy is debt. Also, anxieties. All this to lead you to anger/war. They done it at least twice before and we always fail to heed the signs, such as the one you produced.
It's time to get back to basics and use the K.I.S.S. principle.

Originally posted by electricalpup
Yes, as a child running the neighborhood during the 60's, I gained valuable life experiences.

My friends dads and older brothers were always working on things, or making cabinets to sell and their mothers made lots of the clothing my friends wore. I was a tomboy, so the dads taught me about tools and let me get greasy. They took the time to actually teach me about power tools and safely using them.

I had learned basic skills to be a Jane of all trades. Looking back, what I remember was the caring. When you made a product, you took a step back and took pride in what you made with your very own hands. It was like you put love into each piece you produced. You could take a man for his word. If it didn't work, he would fix it.

All these dads were my teachers in one way or another.

Yep, nowadays everyone hides in their houses, argues/fights with their neighbours, robs each other blind and blames it on the school system when kids have nothing to do and cause nothing but trouble.
Maybe if society didn't become so detached from itself, all boggled by the media, it wouldn't of been this way. Social conditioning has done it's job.

It's not my fault i was raised this way.

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This is a part of NWO. The way TV is feeding our minds and then we act based on the food we ate through it.

The values have changed.

Nowadays , people know more and act less.

This is happening world wide and you are not facing it alone.

My in laws have the first refrigerator they purchased as newly weds, still running, it is 58 years old.

My sister still has the Bedroom suit that my Grandparent purchased as newly weds, it was built in the 20’s, that is 1920 or so.

Yes quality is down, we must replace everything time and again,

BUT,

It is our own damn fault !

We were the ones who voted with our dollar, not supporting the local merchant, going to the K-Mart, the Wal-mart.

There are only a handful of family own restaurants left in my area, the corporate frozen dinner restaurant are squeezing out the little guy and the quality of there food is horrible.

Every corporate chain restaurant meals arrive on a truck as frozen dinners and the fools that live around me will go in a pay $25 or better for a frozen dinner, they would be much better off to buy a hungry man at the grocery store, but the parking lot will be full again the next day.

I just don’t get it.

Are they not aware that all they are buying is a frozen dinner ?

But,

There is hope on the horizon. There is a trend and an effort to “Buy Local, Be Local” beginning today, let us hope that our neighbors realize that supporting local merchants IS supporting the community, and shopping corporate is leading us down the road of financial Armageddon.

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Without getting into an opinion debate and being a realist my thought on this is we as a spicies are evolving and mutiplying and the more people you have the more varied opinions you have that turn into platforms for politicians that make the rule's that contol the people and govern the way the country is formed.

That being said the people that came out of the world wars that humbaled people into being civil and humane and taught there children integraty and honor fell asleep and the progressive's installed "political correctness" and when no one faught that the liberals saw the chance for installing socialism/communism and now we have Obama and deep political corruption,not only in the US but the world........................you know the saying"when good people stand by".

An economy is based on buying and selling. If they made everything to last, than businesses wouldn’t be making much money.

Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
At times I fantasise that the community on ATS should pack up, steal and Island and create our own country.

I'm in!