EVERYONE Should Be Scared of This! EMP!

reply to post by AllUrChips

Wha.. wh...what are y.... really?
Second line.

Yes, he is correct. American Sovereignty is indeed a myth. But you are not supposed to see or know that. So back to what you were doing. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. And no matter what, continue to watch your television.

Originally posted by Blue Shift

Originally posted by camaro68ss
Now imagine such an event. No power, cars, plains, train, Phone, all generators and pumps go out, and ALL nuclear power plants in America will start melting down because of the backup generators being wiped out and stopping the flow of water to the reactor!

That's not accurate. Yeah, there will be a few things fried by a big EMP blast, but mostly unshielded microcircuits, and not all of them. So maybe expect your iPod to go on the fritz, but most power stations and cars and airplanes (things made of metal), will be just fine and dandy.

Besides, the most important thing, our nuclear arsenal, is fully shielded against any such attack. So they would be in for a hell of a firestorm if they tried that crap.

Just like you said all microcicuits will be affected. What do you think flys a plane now a days. Its all computer chips, They stoped using cables for the rudders a long time ago. same as trains and cars. all ingitions are based on computer chips. Fule injectors, smog sensors, all that will be gone and not working

Originally posted by AllUrChips
IF it got to that the world would not be habitable anyhow. The nuclear winter to follow would cause mutual and certain death the world over

Totally untrue. Very minimal fallout from a nuke EMP blast. However over 95% of the continental USA population would be dead in 1-3 years. A great book is "one second after". Everyone should read this book.

I wouldn't worry if I were you. I had a professor relate to me the US experimenting with planes and nuclear attacks back when it wasn't public knowledge. It took them a while to figure out that nuclear explosion's also trigger electromagnetic pulses which would cause the plane to crash. But it's been a while since then and I'm sure they have hardened all critical equipment against such attacks. I mean, look at the National Security Agency. They put in special equipment to protect their computer monitor displays from Van Eck Radiation (which an enemy could use to see through walls etc). But let's not forget that even Pearl Harbor wasn't a coincidence. Humanity has been waging war for centuries. Do you think a nation with one of the strongest fighting forces on this planet is just going to pile up all of it's warships in a single location and not expect another country to make ambush plans? We had Pearl Harbor so politicians could get public support for the war. After that it was just more war profiteering by the same people who have been in power since day one. In other words, the US is hardened against an EMP strike, but the rest of the civilian population isn't. If you want to panic, start researching Faraday cages etc.

So if an EMP could cover the entire country. What would happen to any flights ongoing in the air? Would they be affected and start dropping like flies? Would be crazy to have planes crash landing all over the place. Not only for the loss of life of those in the air, but those below where they crash.

Originally posted by questforevidence
I wouldn't worry if I were you. I had a professor relate to me the US experimenting with planes and nuclear attacks back when it wasn't public knowledge. It took them a while to figure out that nuclear explosion's also trigger electromagnetic pulses which would cause the plane to crash. But it's been a while since then and I'm sure they have hardened all critical equipment against such attacks. I mean, look at the National Security Agency. They put in special equipment to protect their computer monitor displays from Van Eck Radiation (which an enemy could use to see through walls etc). But let's not forget that even Pearl Harbor wasn't a coincidence. Humanity has been waging war for centuries. Do you think a nation with one of the strongest fighting forces on this planet is just going to pile up all of it's warships in a single location and not expect another country to make ambush plans? We had Pearl Harbor so politicians could get public support for the war. After that it was just more war profiteering by the same people who have been in power since day one. In other words, the US is hardened against an EMP strike, but the rest of the civilian population isn't. If you want to panic, start researching Faraday cages etc.

you really thing public "Corporate" airlines will spend the billions of dollars to harden there planes for emp. hahahaha thats a good one!

Originally posted by BlastedCaddy
reply to post by camaro68ss

 

With all due respect to your uncle, I have a hard time swallowing that 95% of are military is soft against an emp attack. As for our infrastructure, Cooked. Done. Fin. Great visual to boot Maro.

Also, if you have yet to read One Second After, pic it up. Ok read but gives a grim reality on such an attack.

A lot of the military equipment is not shielded against EMP. You can say good by to all the jets, at least the once above ground. Airports will shot down and so will the radars controlling airspace. Fuels truck wont be able to fuel military hardware. Many of the bombs with electronic timers, pressure sensors and GPS guided weapons will be deemed useless.

You can say good by to maintenance and production of high tech equipment. The raptor and B2 is out of business

Originally posted by cconn487
So if an EMP could cover the entire country. What would happen to any flights ongoing in the air? Would they be affected and start dropping like flies? Would be crazy to have planes crash landing all over the place. Not only for the loss of life of those in the air, but those below where they crash.

They would drop like flies, everything in a passanger airplane is controled by computers. No more cables and pullys guys.

reply to post by camaro68ss


Ok, I think I get that. In that case would that not also cause a potential risk to other places? Would it be possible for the pulse to travel along the magnetic field lines and potentially have affects elsewhere and not only the intended target. Although if it did that I can see the effects more likely dissipating and the earths magnetic field just absorbing it.

reply to post by AllUrChips


Yup. Whenever something big happens in the world, I follow the money and that usually leads me to the true intentions behind whatever happened (eg. Pearl Harbour, Gulf of Tonkin, Bay of Pigs,etc. etc) and funny thing is, the name Rothschild comes up almost every time. Don't fret over it tho, there's really nothing we can do, short of what we WON'T do (we just like our shiny trinkets and gizmos too much) because the cost would be too much for most "trained" consumers.

Originally posted by Skewed
reply to post by camaro68ss

 

Ok, I think I get that. In that case would that not also cause a potential risk to other places? Would it be possible for the pulse to travel along the magnetic field lines and potentially have affects elsewhere and not only the intended target. Although if it did that I can see the effects more likely dissipating and the earths magnetic field just absorbing it.

Just whats in line of sight, You could wipe out the whole worlds grid with 4 atom bombs.

Scary huh

Originally posted by camaro68ss
Just like you said all microcicuits will be affected.

That's not what I said at all. I said unshielded microcircuits would be affected. Guess what your computer box is? A metal box. A shield. Guess what a car or airplane body is? A metal box. All of these things and many, many more are shielded, and have been for a long time. We get hit by EMP blasts all the time, mostly from lightning, occasionally from the sun.

Do you really think nobody has thought of this and prepared for it?

Originally posted by ArcAngel

Originally posted by AllUrChips
IF it got to that the world would not be habitable anyhow. The nuclear winter to follow would cause mutual and certain death the world over

Totally untrue. Very minimal fallout from a nuke EMP blast. However over 95% of the continental USA population would be dead in 1-3 years. A great book is "one second after". Everyone should read this book.

I was talking about the tens of thousands of nuke the US would be launching as well as all the other countries. Afterall its called WW3 what makes you think the us will be one and done?

reply to post by questforevidence


Under the cold war, The US had nuclear armed NIKE missiles stationed around New York and other prominent cities. These NIKE systems were armed nuclear, because it was a more efficient way to take out Russian bombers.

Just imagine what these missiles could have done to the American population. Most Americans didn't even know this back then, and most dont even know today.

Originally posted by Blue Shift

Originally posted by camaro68ss
Just like you said all microcicuits will be affected.

That's not what I said at all. I said unshielded microcircuits would be affected. Guess what your computer box is? A metal box. A shield. Guess what a car or airplane body is? A metal box. All of these things and many, many more are shielded, and have been for a long time. We get hit by EMP blasts all the time, mostly from lightning, occasionally from the sun.

Do you really think nobody has thought of this and prepared for it?

Im sure people are prepared, just not 99.9% of the population thats all.

And yes your computer will blow! with 50,000 volts per sq meter at high amps from the EMP, its history, your car, gone! your metal box idea will do nothing unless its completely inclosed, insulated, and grounded with no holes in the "box"

Originally posted by AllUrChips

Originally posted by ArcAngel

Originally posted by AllUrChips
IF it got to that the world would not be habitable anyhow. The nuclear winter to follow would cause mutual and certain death the world over

Totally untrue. Very minimal fallout from a nuke EMP blast. However over 95% of the continental USA population would be dead in 1-3 years. A great book is "one second after". Everyone should read this book.

I was talking about the tens of thousands of nuke the US would be launching as well as all the other countries. Afterall its called WW3 what makes you think the us will be one and done?

you cant fire nukes when ALL your satilites are down and out for the count. how are you going to know where to fire.

Let's see... woodstove, firewood, axe...check.

Push plow, horses, pigs, goats and goat's milk. chickens and eggs...check.

Heirloom seeds, canning jars, lids, rings, butcher knives... check.

Mini-14s, lots of ammo, shotguns, ammo, pistols, ammo...check.

Shallow well...lake...fish.. deer...rabbit...squirrel...candles, oil lamp, matches, harmonica and old song book...

OK...I'm ready.

Originally posted by camaro68ss
And yes your computer will blow! with 50,000 volts per sq meter at high amps from the EMP, its history, your car, gone! your metal box idea will do nothing unless its completely inclosed and grounded with no holes in the "box"

Sorry, you're just wrong. Plain and simple. A metal container doesn't have to completely enclose a circuit in order to protect it. All it has to do is provide a reasonable conduit to guide the magnetic field around the conductive material inside. You have an extremely poor understanding of electromagnetism, which I guess makes you gullible and likely believe scary scenarios such as those suggested above.

Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by AllUrChips

Originally posted by ArcAngel

Originally posted by AllUrChips
IF it got to that the world would not be habitable anyhow. The nuclear winter to follow would cause mutual and certain death the world over

Totally untrue. Very minimal fallout from a nuke EMP blast. However over 95% of the continental USA population would be dead in 1-3 years. A great book is "one second after". Everyone should read this book.

I was talking about the tens of thousands of nuke the US would be launching as well as all the other countries. Afterall its called WW3 what makes you think the us will be one and done?

you cant fire nukes when ALL your satilites are down and out for the count. how are you going to know where to fire.

Many of them are pre programed, but still they are dependent on constant satellite communication/signals to adjust its heading.

No, these missiles wont know where to go if the satellites guiding the missiles are out of order.

reply to post by Blue Shift


I think they have done what they can in certain cases. However, where another set of problems will arise are cascading problems. I can see where if some transformer goes feet up it could overload other things on the circuit and go straight down the line. If it happens at an interchange or whatever it is called and blows out some the bigger ones, it could cause big long term problems. Some of those bigger ones take 6 months to make. I can see where the pulse would be just a catalyst to set other things in motion.