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Originally posted by justme2112
Are you serious or what? I know what I saw in the sky for almost 40 y. And also you'll never find that info or even one image in a book. What are you talking about?

LOL! The image IS in a book. Through the Telescope, first edition, originally published in 1989. It's on page 118. Oh, you mean the other image, the NASA image from 1971? That was published in a book too, published in 1993:
books.google.com/books?id=zYGaHX0wNiQC&pg=PA25&lpg=PA25&dq=108-ksc-71p-74&source=bl&ots=k9cBpXHlpi&sig=WsX6HTo6M66Ivh9tRY8G1K-8Xi0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zSLPU K7CJY2c8gS7tIDACw&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=108-ksc-71p-74&f=false
The information about why the moon sometimes looks like this also be found in books, for instance:
www.barnesandnoble.com/w/popular-astronomy-volume-17-carleton-college-observatory/1111021587
Page 11. This volume was originally published in 1909.

Originally posted by justme2112
So now am I the troll? interesting...

I told you: DID YOU EVER OPEN A SINGLE BOOK and then saw a single image of a sideway moon relative to northern hemisphere?

Yup. Through the Telescope. First edition. Page 118. I have the book myself.

Do you now admit you were wrong?

Me wrong? pfff

Anyway for books a mean SCHOOL BOOKS so NOT in **** amatour magazines and probably you did not give the right interpretation for that image for sure (if its really was there).

However what are you?

Originally posted by justme2112
Are you serious or what? I know what I saw in the sky for almost 40 y. And also you'll never find that info or even one image in a book. What are you talking about?

The idea of a "Wet Moon" (the Moon being like a bowl) or a Cheshire Moon are in folklore. People have been seeing this effect during the winter months ever since they have been taking notice of the Moon. The higher in the sky the Moon is to the observer, the more it will look tilted when it sets. And, in the mid latitudes, the waxing crescent Moon is highest in the sky before setting during the late fall/winter/early spring months.

www.themoonfaqs.com...

www.skyatnightmagazine.com...

www.blurbwire.com...

When I was growing up 35+ years ago, my brother was an avid amateur astronomer, and I specifically remember asking him why the crescent Moon looked more tilted, and he explain to me about the Earth's tilt during the winter months and the changing paths of the moon during the course of a year.

So I have a specific memories of the Moon looking heavily tilted during some months of the year compared to other months. It is in fact quite normal.

If you don't trust my memory, here is a picture from over 40 years ago of Apollo 14 on the launch pad, with a "Wet Moon" or "Cheshire Moon" in the background:

Originally posted by justme2112
Me wrong? pfff

Anyway for books a mean SCHOOL BOOKS so NOT in **** amatour magazines and probably you did not the right interpretate for that image for sure (if its was there).

However what are you?

edit on 17-12-2012 by justme2112 because: (no reason given)

You wanted a book reference, I gave you multiple references. None of them are "school books." "Through the Telescope" and "Space Biology and Medicine" are not amateur magazines either. And yes, I "interpreted" the image just fine, in fact I called Lee Keith myself and asked him about it. He took it with a Dobsonian telescope, which is an altitude-azimuth mounted type of telescope, and confirmed that it was an example of a Cheshire moon that he photographed in the mid-80's. That's called doing actual research, not complaining on a forum and then living in denial when your goalposts are met like you are doing. On Friday I'm also going to run by a library that has a copy of "Space Biology and Medicine." If I have the time I'll grab it and photograph or scan the page with 108-KSC-71P-74 in it as well, the photo of the Saturn V with the Cheshire moon. There's nothing at all to "interpret" there, it's self-explanatory in a beautiful way, proving both the era of the photo as well as the horizon being level all just by looking at it.

What am I? An amateur astronomer who DOES read books and knows that this is a normal phenomenon. And yes, you can prove it with images in books like the ones I already mentioned.

SO you are telling me that really there is NOT a single image on school books, right?

Originally posted by justme2112
And also you'll never find that info or even one image in a book.

Notice how this poster continues to live in denial even after multiple images from books were presented. Despite making an absolutely wrong statement they refuse to admit that they were wrong. It's no wonder why they persist in their belief that the moon is oddly tilted; they cannot even bring themselves to admit that they were wrong about an absolute statement like this even after it has been shown to be absolutely wrong.

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Originally posted by justme2112
SO you are telling me that really there is NOT a single image on school books, right?

You said, and I quote, "And also you'll never find that info or even one image in a book." You were completely wrong. I will not allow you to move the goalposts. I'm not going to go hunting through "school books" specifically, it's irrelevant, you were already proven wrong and I've already shown that these images DO appear in books, not just "amateur astronomy magazines."

First of all a school book its NOT a magazine, RIGHT?

Now WHERE do you think people teach things @ schools? Maybe you mean in the amateurs magazines, right?

PS: You've still not aswer the Q. till now. Just bla bla bla, I see. That did not surprise me...

Originally posted by justme2112
First of all a school book its NOT a magazine, RIGHT?

Now where do you think people teach things @ schools? Maybe you mean in the amateurs magazines?

PS: You've still not aswer the Q till now. Just bla bla bla. That did not surprise me...

edit on 17-12-2012 by justme2112 because: (no reason given)

Irrelevant, you claimed there was no such photograph in any books period. The books mentioned above are not amateur magazines. On Friday I will go to a school library and photograph or scan a page of a book that contains one of these photographs.

I'll even tell you which school; University of Florida.

Originally posted by ngchunter
On Friday I will go to a school library and photograph or scan a page of a book that contains one of these photographs.

I'll even tell you which school; University of Florida.

edit on 17-12-2012 by ngchunter because: (no reason given)

You'll waste your time, there are not such a single image / explanation relative to the northern hemisphere about the sideaway moon at all. And the reason its not, is pretty obvious.

Originally posted by justme2112

Originally posted by ngchunter
On Friday I will go to a school library and photograph or scan a page of a book that contains one of these photographs.

I'll even tell you which school; University of Florida.

edit on 17-12-2012 by ngchunter because: (no reason given)

You'll waste your time, there are not such a single image / explanation relative to the northern hemisphere about the sideaway moon at all. And the reason its not, is pretty obvious.

Yes, there is. You're living in complete denial. The only one who apparently can't see that is you.
uf.catalog.fcla.edu...
You'll probably continue being in denial after I show you the scan from that book. It's already on google, but for some reason you keep ignoring it:
books.google.com/books?id=zYGaHX0wNiQC&pg=PA25&lpg=PA25&dq=108-ksc-71p-74&source=bl&ots=k9cBpXHlpi&sig=WsX6HTo6M66Ivh9tRY8G1K-8Xi0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zSLPU K7CJY2c8gS7tIDACw&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=108-ksc-71p-74&f=false

REALLY are you sure of that? OK

Wonder if there is the reason why the moon behaves like a 'boat' near the poles as well in that (school book?)

Whatever.

Originally posted by justme2112
the reason why the moon behaves near the poles as well like a 'boat'

It doesn't. Stop trolling.

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I hope you realise that the orientation of the Moon's crescent has nothing to do with the Moon itself. Even if the Moon actually tilted, the crescent would remain the same. Rather, it has to do with the Earth's and Moon's positions in their orbits, the inclination of these orbits relative one another and to the Earth's axis, and observer's latitude on the Earth. Wet moons occur routinely in the tropics (where the sun and moon rise and set nearly vertically), and rarely in polar regions (where the sun and moon rise and set at a glancing angle or not at all). This effect has been observed for a very long time, and figures in myths.



en.wikipedia.org...
starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov...

Originally posted by ngchunter

It doesn't. Stop trolling.

So what you will post? some fictional stuff without any explanations?

Originally posted by ngchunter

It doesn't. Stop trolling.

All you have to do now is showing fact, your claims, NOT hot air.

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I personally don't get why someone doesn't think the Moon would look this way during some times of the year.

Considering that the apparent path of the Moon (as seen from the mid latitudes on Earth) would change during the year due to the tilt of the Earth relative to the Moon phases, it is perfectly LOGICAL AND EXPECTED that the waxing crescent Moon would look heavily tilted at night as it heads toward Moonset during the winter months.

If it didn't look more tilted in late fall/winter/early spring, then that would not make any sense. Everything I know about the Earth's tilt and the would not make any sense.

The reason the Moon can look this way isn't hard to understand. I mean, I understood the reason those many years ago (as I mentioned in a post above) when my amateur astronomer brother showed me why -- and I was about 10 at the time.

justme2112 --
Consider the position of many people on Earth, living at the mid-latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere.These people are standing on the "side" of the earth, with their bodies "sideways" relative to the polar view of the Earth Moon system we all see in books (this id the Polar View shown, with the poles vertical).



Now lets rotate the view to look at it from the point of view of that person standing on the side of the Earth. As you can see in the graphic below, the Moon SHOULD in fact look tilted when viewed from the mid-latitudes:




Now consider that on Northern Hemisphere winter nights (not days) the night side of the earth is tilted more downwards; therefore, those people are even more "sideways". So on winter nights, the waxing crescent Moon will appear to be even more tilted (from the viewpoint of an observer at the Northern mid-latitudes) than in the graphic above.

reply to post by CherubBaby

I have seen a bowl shaped moon several times last year and I live in San Diego,CA . Once or twice it may have been summer and our weather is rather nice all year round however I would not go so far as to say it was equator type weather. I searched ATS back then and could not believe no one was talking about the moon. Maybe no one was looking. When I pointed it out to others and asked if they knew why... not one person could provide an answer.It's extremely odd to see a moon tipped over like a bowl. So nice to know I was not the only one who took note of the changing moon. Can anyone supply me with an answer that makes sense. The only thing I could think of is that either the moon or earth has changed it's orbit. Maybe we already had a temporary pole shift, eh? It's back to normal these days but every once in a while you will see it tipped again.
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