Has ATS become a community for jingoist and erroneous threads?

reply to post by FEDec


take it for what it is, I only post on here when I'm really drunk

reply to post by FEDec


Well if you look for yourself maybe you will notice it to. Start reading more of the material on here, then get back to me...

Originally posted by fairguy
reply to post by FEDec

 

take it for what it is, I only post on here when I'm really drunk

me tooo! it's the only way I can stomach the BS and self important drivel. I was responding to konquest by the way. and for the record glitoris is my new favorite word. lets get this one put in websters.

Originally posted by KonquestAbySS
reply to post by FEDec

 

Well if you look for yourself maybe you will notice it to. Start reading more of the material on here, then get back to me...

Hidden meanings eh? This is starting to sound like a... *gasp* conspiracy...

reply to post by FEDec


I've had jabs with you in the past, and you have no logic what so ever its like trying to train a mole to drive, but heck let me do the looking for you...Here is a good example fairly new thread here on ATS...

Why Christian men don't wear a beard?

I mean seriously I hope I shouldn't have to explain that to you, but since you fail to look into it yourself I will tell you... By looking at this thread and reading the OP's intent I could already see its ridiculous. People don't wear beards for one they grow beards or have beards. And who said Christian men or even females depending on their preference don't grow beards or have beards? How is that a religious conspiracy? Or how is that even a conspiracy to begin with?

reply to post by KonquestAbySS


I have not seen that religious conspiracy thread,and I have got to say that is one of the most far reaching questionable conspiracies,if you care to call it that.
National Enquirer material?
You make a valid point,and I apologize for having a little fun earlier.
I usually concentrate my efforts in the real,scientific based stuff.

Originally posted by KonquestAbySS
reply to post by FEDec

 

I've had jabs with you in the past, and you have no logic what so ever its like trying to train a mole to drive, but heck let me do the looking for you...Here is a good example fairly new thread here on ATS...

Why Christian men don't wear a beard?

I mean seriously I hope I shouldn't have to explain that to you, but since you fail to look into yourself I will tell you... By looking at this thread and reading the OP's intent I could already see its ridiculous. People don't wear beards for one they grow beards or have beards. And who said Christian men or even females depending on their preference don't grow beards or have beards? How is that a religious conspiracy? Or how is that even a conspiracy to begin with?

Ah logic the most over-used, without knowledge of meaning internet word of them all.

You seem to be de-railing your own thread to talk about beards. Let me get us back on track. As I remember you were acting as if you were the sole keeper of knowledge for the entire universe and lambasting ATS for not being more like you. Yet I didn't read the words of a leader I read the words of a child in hissyfit. I didn't read anything enlightened I read something entitled.

I read that TV networks are soulless companies and we shouldn't follow them. Then I read that we should in fact follow the soulless companies who publish books. Clearly they have our best interests at heart and money is but a secondary cause to them... Clearly. I read that you found a problem but had no solution nor even the will to provide a solution. Only the will to complain and whine and a will to a sense of self superiority.

I read this and thought "BS".

reply to post by kdog1982


No need to apologize, everyone likes to have fun here and there. I don't hold nothing against you.

reply to post by FEDec


I was using a "keep it simple stupid" example. That was the first one that caught my eye, and already had me laughing and nodding my head. I know your more of a BTS user because I posted this here, and every other post that I've posted in the BTS section you would respond to it, but not the ones I post up in the top forums...Which leaves me to believe you have no clue why you are posting here...

Originally posted by KonquestAbySS
reply to post by FEDec

 

I was using a "keep it simple stupid" example. That was the first one that caught my eye, and already had me laughing and nodding my head. I know your more of a BTS user because I posted this here, and every other post that I've posted in the BTS section you would respond to it, but not the ones I post up in the top forums...Which leaves me to believe you have no clue why you are posting here...

First Im coming up with too many conspiracies now too little? Which is it? My posting on this site is on a "when I feel like it basis" because unlike you I recognize that ATS like CNN, CBS or ABC deals in entertainment and narratives. At this point it is too large and making too much money to have altruistic purposes.

This is why these threads which you are talking about keep popping up and attracting so much attention. Because at this point in the history of ATS if they were to actually start calling BS on people they would lose quite a bit of their membership. ATS isn't about knowledge or pushing back the veil it's about fantasy and people like you coming on here to convince themselves they are special and smarter then everyone else.

We both buy into this website and give it money while doing so the difference is one of us is delusional and it isn't me. Also I seem to have more fun than you here so I would say my entertainment dollar is better spent.

dont tell me what to do!

as an american citizen i have a pseudo near constitutional right to be brainwashed.

This thread has turned into a bit of a slapfest with the participants but I'll ignore that and address the OP. The original idea of this thread is a good one with a solid message. Although, "jingoistic" doesn't seem like it was the best used description of posters on the board.

In fact, "jingoistic" is a word most people haven't heard of or haven't added to their vocabulary. In essence, this thread is what you are railing out against. (Don't worry, I do it too.)

Threads with catchy headlines or explosive messages draw the most attention. No matter whether or not you care about stars or flags you will be inclined to use this tool to draw a larger readership. The reason for this is we are hardwired to seek the most attention possible for our public works. (Lets face it, it wouldn't be online otherwise).

It's all marketing baby!





Hmm... Now back to the original idea.


People lash out against the MSM for lying or shaping the story, yet the alternative outlets also do the very same thing. Everyone trying to shape the view of their audience, all for more ratings, more money, or more _______ .




Moving along...



You mentioned books, to which someone said the publishing companies have their own interests. And they do! Oh wow, the sources are running out for good information.


Lets see if we can find some...



Jimmy Westlake down at Otto's Mechanic Shop always tells me to buy Michelin tires, he has a contract with them to carry more of their brand than all the other brands his shop represents.

Mom used to tell me that drugs were bad, but she often medicated me for just about any minor injury or sickness. The Doctor was happy about it though, he was getting to go to all expense paid conferences to be informed on the new drugs the drug companies were coming out with.

Moving along again....

I knew this girl once, and I asked her if she was telling me the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. It turns out she was lying. Mainly because she was insecure and the idea that her friends would find out what she said terrified her. She lied through her teeth. But hey, so have I, so who am I to judge?


Well now, her mom was a real piece of work. Sheltered the girl her whole life. Used to blow things out of proportion just so her daughter would stay away from things like booze and boys. Turns out the daughter got older and woke up to the exaggerations, now she doesn't talk to her mom but like the two things she was supposed to stay away from.


Another fellow from the same neighborhood fits in some how as well. He worked his whole life on developing a water filtration system for the city. Damn near perfect too.... Except there was a flaw he hadn't caught before the system went into production. He had two options, say something and ruin his career, or take his retirement in all it's glory. Someone else would be responsible if the flaw turned into something larger.

Hmm... Still can't remember why that city had E. Coli poisoning.

Oh hell,

It was just the prisons that were mostly affected anyhow, who cares?


Sure not Susan Waterby, that older woman guard. Now, don't get me wrong, she's a great lady. Hates the damn people she has to keep an eye on and maybe a little bit of a bitch because of it. But you have to love her, with all that respect she has for the law! Yes sir, she makes sure she berates every last prisoner she has contact with throughout the day, just to let them know how they screwed up in life. She loves the job too, still takes food from the cafeteria supply home with her everyday for her family. (common practice, cuts down on grocery bills)

Yep, quite a woman, and sure hates criminals. Not matter how big or small....


Ah well,

Down the line, time to wrap this up.


To sum it up in one word: Motive


Everyone has a motive in what they do, what they say, how they feel.


The last one might throw you off, but people actually manipulate their emotions to get reactions from people. Actions and words are more apparent sure, but the emotional thing, that's scary. Some don't even know they are doing it.

So that's it. Everyone has motives. Pick out the motives and then you can read the real message.

reply to post by boncho



Thanks for your input Boncho always appreciated. You always have something interesting to say, and you are right everyone has their own motives whether it be for good or for bad, and as always its money, and more ________...

Since the word "jingoist" has come up, and some people are puzzled by it, let me clarify things by explaining where it came from.
It's from an old music-hall song in a time of war-fever, circa 1879.

"We don't want to fight, but by jingo if we do
We've got the ships, we've got the men. we've got the money too.
We've fought the Bear before, and while we're Britons true
The Russians shall not have Constantinople".

So "By jingo" is obviously a euphemism, and the term got applied to the kind of emotional patriotism that is part of war-fever.
The British origin explains why many ATS members would not have heard of it.

reply to post by KonquestAbySS


You're right and it just backs up the theory that humans are devolving instead of evolving.

I've often thought about suggesting "ATS Thread Resurrection Day". It would be cool to see what dusty threads people would choose to bring back to the boards. Plus, the newbies could see what ATS used to be like and see what a quality thread actually is.

reply to post by Lighterside


Yea...the body of the rant does not support the title...OP what do mean? Link to some example threads. You may have made an error and are ranting against yourself.

reply to post by type0civ



Hmmmmm....Really? You out of everyone that posted don't understand? Obviously its clear what we have here on ATS. Now if you want me to start posting multiple links from within ATS then that would be a waste of my time, and I rather you see for yourself...Happy reading, grasp concepts, and observe the people...Ohh and I already posted an example above and its called Why Christian Men Don't Wear A Beard?...This is a rant not a conspiracy buddy don't expect me to post 3rd person sources, for this is a 1st person source, myself...Hope you get it now

Oh come on just admit you don't know what jingoistic means. What was it late 19th/ early 20th century day in history class or something?

Jeez for someone advocating the reading of dusty books you sure have a poor grasp on English.

reply to post by FEDec


Wow troll enough FED?....I know what jingoist aka jingoistic aka jingoism means. I am sorry to baffle you with my vast vocabulary maybe you should read more it does help... Surprised you ain't banned yet, you contribute nothing to this community, but knocking on others making yourself look like an nincompoop...

Ohh wait I get it your Zany, so I guess that makes you the ATS clown?

Originally posted by KonquestAbySS
reply to post by FEDec

 

Wow troll enough FED?....I know what jingoist aka jingoistic aka jingoism means.

Only after reading the description in this thread. What boggles my mind is not your vocabulary but your grievous misuse of words while trying to make yourself look clever. Then again beards are kind of jingoistic, mildly annoying to my face and prickly and uninviting to others.

... And for the last time it's not FED ec it's F E Dec. As in Francis E. Dec the prince of paranoia.