Electrogravitics: the REAL Reason It Went Into Black Ops

Originally posted by coyotepoet
I've been saying for a long time that this has been the major reason for the ET coverup as well. If not covered up, people would realize that that kind of tech is possible and blammo, Big Energy loses their monopoly on power (literally and figuratively.)

Very true, coyote. Once the tech comes to public light...the cost of energy will be removed and Humans can emerge as the beautiful Beings They are and not be enslaved. The slavemasters don't want to free Their slaves.

Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli

Originally posted by Amaterasu
My father was an electrical engineer, graduate of CalTech, in the 1950's working for one of the top aerospace contractors (mentioned several times in Secrets) and I remember when He came home to tell Me I couldn't talk about electrogravitics, couldn't talk about the flying cars, couldn't mention the free energy - because "They want it secret for now." That was in late 1959 or maybe early 1960. I was around 3 years old.

I remember my parents discussing exotic physics with me when I was three years old, too. But they didn't tell me about their classified research until I was four or five. I guess they figured I wasn't mature enough to handle it at three.

I was very precocious. [smile] And My father was VERY excited about His work and loved to share it with His daughter. As best He could. And it was not "secret" or "classified" at that time. We're talking late 1950's...

After it was pulled into black ops, My father never mentioned it again. He kept His oath.

Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

So you think in an abundant world there would still be suicidal people?

Oh, likely. Fewer, though, I imagine. What's Your point, though?

What about the mentally ill?

Oh, likely. Fewer, though, I imagine. What's Your point, though?

Do you think the individual should have the right to construct something which could be used to destroy a planet or a galaxy?

No. If it breaks the three Laws, it is never a "right." Do I need to recap those three Laws...?

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by Amaterasu
Before I get the pathetic suggestions that T. Townsend Brown's work in electrogravitics was abandoned because it "doesn't work," I recommend reading the book, Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion. ( www.scribd.com... )

This is the book that talks about the Searle effect in some detail among other things.

Do you really believe Searle when he claims the reason he can't demonstrate his antigravity contraption is because it went shooting off into outer space after he built it?

If you believe that, there's some really great real estate in a swamp in Florida you might be interested in.

Um... Ok. Yes, Searle is mentioned. Does that invalidate the other 500 pages?

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so you think every man, woman, and child is going to obey these three laws perfectly?

My point is that society as a whole isnt capable of wielding such power responsibly. I dont think that society in its current condition can handle abundance.

reply to post by Amaterasu

If the cost of energy (both external, and Human via robots doing what needs to be done and which is no One's bliss) is removed all down the line, what remains is free. And a sword-maker (whose bliss it is to fashion swords) or the cook (whose bliss it is to cook) will make gifts of the product of Their bliss, having what They need for free.

What used to take years of mining and excavation (decades, in some case), now takes mere days to months - depending upon the scale we are talking about. This is due to the contribution of machines and various power sources. The resource being harvested becomes common-place and it is further development and refinement of that resource that assumes the value it once held.

So adding free energy is indeed a threat to elite - who use banking, and corporate control to manipulate the bulk of Humans on this planet.

I am sorry - I take issue with your use of the word: "elite." As a member of the armed forces, I represent a select few of less than 1% of the population. Each and every time I have been advanced, it has been 1 of 1 - They could only choose one person of my rate and grade to advance - and I surpassed all others. My IQ places me well into the 99 percentile, and when I stop thinking something to death and do it - it turns out magical and above expectations and standards of those around me. I have been blessed with very good genetics and will have a fairly healthy and youthful body for most of my days....

You should understand why I take issue with you even presuming you are capable of determining who ranks as elite - much less bestow that title upon such an ambiguous group of your own fabrication.

Now... you are forgetting that these "elite" people you talk about would have free energy, as well.

In fact... in an age where water, food, and electricity run quite cheap (rent is far more expensive than your average utility and sustenance expenses.... your mass-produced box of wood and fiberglass and the ground it is on is considered more rare than the food, water, and energy you use) - the "elite" still manage just fine.

Your claim is as absurd as the claims that layman literacy would destroy the Catholic Church, or that the internet would bring about the end of school... because it's founded on the same fundamentally flawed reasoning.

The new resource of value would be what one could find to do with all of this free energy. Replacing existing sources is only half of the picture. Processes that were once cost-prohibitive (intensive chemical recycling processes that can go so far as to separate compounds into their elemental constituents) now become practical. Using particle accelerators to produce amounts of rare and exotic elements becomes mildly practical (producing meaningful amounts would require absolutely massive facilities on the order of planetary scale). There is a lot of stuff that could now be done that we would have scoffed at today... because we'd have to spend ten times as much on the energy to make the product as it is worth.

These creators of energy will require space and resources to construct. The facilities that process that energy into something useful will also take up space and have limited capacity based upon the output of the device and their own handling capacity.

People to monitor the processes are also a resource. The list goes on.

Nothing gets destroyed - the only thing that happens is the relative values of things change.

Actually... There would be no "elite" except in social structure. The inventors, the teachers, the doctors, etc. who create the highest degree of betterment would become the new "elite" through fame and appreciation.

Kind of like what we have today. You just fail to recognize the value of enablers - the investors and the arbiters of vision.

Read the book, Love. I think You will understand far more.

No, no... I really don't understand how electromagnetic fields are related to mass attraction ("gravity").

Nor does anyone else who claims to have worked on it, apparently.

I'll set the bar pretty low and just ask how one should define gravity. It is a concept we are very familiar and experienced with... stuff that goes up has a tendency to come back down - two things close to each other like to get closer. It's a very curious phenomena that, to date, has baffled physicists.

Though it was one of the first fundamental ... 'forces' ... to be discovered and even well described by Newton and Einstein.... no one has really been able to say what it is or how it works.

We'll start there, and work our way toward the concept of using electromagnetic and electrostatic fields to elicit a gravitational field (or something similar to it). One step at a time.

Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

so you think every man, woman, and child is going to obey these three laws perfectly?

No. Why do You think I think that? But statistically speaking, I do. We already do except where money is concerned. Remove money and the love of it (the root of all evil) will vanish. And anyone choosing to break any of the three Laws will be dealt with much as We deal with Them now. What is Your point?

My point is that society as a whole isnt capable of wielding such power responsibly. I dont think that society in its current condition can handle abundance.

What power are You speaking of? Power over self? I think You are not seeing a whole picture.

Originally posted by Aim64C
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

If the cost of energy (both external, and Human via robots doing what needs to be done and which is no One's bliss) is removed all down the line, what remains is free. And a sword-maker (whose bliss it is to fashion swords) or the cook (whose bliss it is to cook) will make gifts of the product of Their bliss, having what They need for free.

What used to take years of mining and excavation (decades, in some case), now takes mere days to months - depending upon the scale we are talking about. This is due to the contribution of machines and various power sources. The resource being harvested becomes common-place and it is further development and refinement of that resource that assumes the value it once held.

Ok. And Your point…?

So adding free energy is indeed a threat to elite - who use banking, and corporate control to manipulate the bulk of Humans on this planet.

I am sorry - I take issue with your use of the word: "elite." As a member of the armed forces, I represent a select few of less than 1% of the population. Each and every time I have been advanced, it has been 1 of 1 - They could only choose one person of my rate and grade to advance - and I surpassed all others. My IQ places me well into the 99 percentile, and when I stop thinking something to death and do it - it turns out magical and above expectations and standards of those around me. I have been blessed with very good genetics and will have a fairly healthy and youthful body for most of my days....

Choose whatever term You wish. If “elite” doesn’t work…how about the “enriched by Human slavery?” Or the “pyramid peak?” Or…the “power top?” Or the “slavemasters…” Whatever. (And BTW… I test well above even the 99th. For whatever that’s worth. And I have studied deeply economics for 50 years and synthesized the solution on that foundation.)

You should understand why I take issue with you even presuming you are capable of determining who ranks as elite - much less bestow that title upon such an ambiguous group of your own fabrication.

Not really. I guess You are unclear on the general meaning as it is used on this site. See suggestions for alternatives above.

Now... you are forgetting that these "elite" people you talk about would have free energy, as well.

No I’m not.

In fact... in an age where water, food, and electricity run quite cheap (rent is far more expensive than your average utility and sustenance expenses.... your mass-produced box of wood and fiberglass and the ground it is on is considered more rare than the food, water, and energy you use) - the "elite" still manage just fine.

Your point here is completely obscure to me.

Your claim is as absurd as the claims that layman literacy would destroy the Catholic Church, or that the internet would bring about the end of school... because it's founded on the same fundamentally flawed reasoning.

Ah, good. Please do elaborate specifically on these “flaws.”

The new resource of value would be what one could find to do with all of this free energy. Replacing existing sources is only half of the picture. Processes that were once cost-prohibitive (intensive chemical recycling processes that can go so far as to separate compounds into their elemental constituents) now become practical. Using particle accelerators to produce amounts of rare and exotic elements becomes mildly practical (producing meaningful amounts would require absolutely massive facilities on the order of planetary scale). There is a lot of stuff that could now be done that we would have scoffed at today... because we'd have to spend ten times as much on the energy to make the product as it is worth.

Oh, I agree with this. It is, in fact, expected.

(see next post...)

Originally posted by Aim64C
reply to post by Amaterasu

These creators of energy will require space and resources to construct. The facilities that process that energy into something useful will also take up space and have limited capacity based upon the output of the device and their own handling capacity.

Space? Yeah – but very little. A house could be run on a machine about the size of a breadbox. Maybe 20% more in size than that at the most. As for resources, sure. But much less than solar panels for the amount One extracts, and they won’t rely on sunny days and be useless at night. Are You arguing that electrogravitics, because it requires resources to use should be abandoned? That’s what it surely sounds like. Maybe We should abandon ALL energy extraction except what We have now for these selfsame reasons…

People to monitor the processes are also a resource. The list goes on.

Are there enough People, having all They want when They want it, who would choose to monitor? If not, build robotic monitors. Geez. Why is this an issue for You? Do continue the list. Please.

Nothing gets destroyed - the only thing that happens is the relative values of things change.

In essence, yes. But meanwhile Humans are freed to follow Their bliss. “Value” will be placed on Human endeavor over material things. Institute the Betterment Ethic over the “work ethic” (the slave’s ethic to enrich the eli…er…slavemasters).

Actually... There would be no "elite" except in social structure. The inventors, the teachers, the doctors, etc. who create the highest degree of betterment would become the new "elite" through fame and appreciation.

Kind of like what we have today. You just fail to recognize the value of enablers - the investors and the arbiters of vision.

Not at all like We have today. The eli…slavemasters grow richer and billions live in poverty. Money presently defines the elite (slavemasters). We all become the “slavemasters” of the robots in the world with abundant energy.

Read the book, Love. I think You will understand far more.

No, no... I really don't understand how electromagnetic fields are related to mass attraction ("gravity").

Nor does anyone else who claims to have worked on it, apparently.

Um… Did You read the book? Have You heard of subquantum kinetics? I think it describes the gravity relationship quite well. Check it out.

I'll set the bar pretty low and just ask how one should define gravity. It is a concept we are very familiar and experienced with... stuff that goes up has a tendency to come back down - two things close to each other like to get closer. It's a very curious phenomena that, to date, has baffled physicists.

Only those scientists who cling to Einstein’s theories as the be-all and end-all. Check out subquantum kinetics. Positive particles produce positive gravity “wells.” Negative particles produce negative gravity “hills.” Quite an interesting topic of study, subquantum kinetics.

Though it was one of the first fundamental ... 'forces' ... to be discovered and even well described by Newton and Einstein.... no one has really been able to say what it is or how it works.

Einstein starts with an unexplained given: how and why matter “bends space-time” is never offered. One just accepts this and moves on in the theories. Subquantum kinetics predicts the behavior of the gravitational forces and leaves nothing One must take on faith as Einstein did.

We'll start there, and work our way toward the concept of using electromagnetic and electrostatic fields to elicit a gravitational field (or something similar to it). One step at a time.

Best start with subquantum kinetics, eh? It has produced far more in the way of testable (and tested) predictions than Relativity has…

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Not all wars are over recources.

As energy tech advances so does the power of the weaponry it can create. I dont think the whole planet should be in danger because two boys love the same girl. The forms free energy can appear are indeed varried but none of them benign.

Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

Not all wars are over recources.

That's true. Most are manufactured so that war suppliers can supply one or both sides...to make money.

As energy tech advances so does the power of the weaponry it can create.

But without a money motive, a profit motive, why are weopons an issue? And electrogravitics is more a danger to experimenters than to masses of people - without care, EG might create explosions on the order of an M80... Meanwhile, the elimination of poverty on this planet, it seems to Me, would FAR outweigh the minor risks. Or do You propose that We should maintain poverty to ensure someOne does not create a minor explosion...?

I dont think the whole planet should be in danger because two boys love the same girl.

Ah, yes. Let's keep billions on the edge of starvation and exposure in case someone blows up the building of a love rival. Makes sense to Me.

The forms free energy can appear are indeed varried but none of them benign.

[sigh] And none worse than nuclear (which many countries now have). In fact, EG is far cleaner than oil and coal, and is far more reliable, usable and efficient than solar and wind.

Methinks You are concerned about a tempest in a teapot.

reply to post by Amaterasu

Ok. And Your point…?

*sigh*

Plenty of resources were once very scarce. Now they are as (if not more) abundant than water. We still have 'elites.'

(And BTW… I test well above even the 99th. For whatever that’s worth. And I have studied deeply economics for 50 years and synthesized the solution on that foundation.)

Please. Testing into the 99 percentile is really as far as it goes. It's much like IQ tests - which become heavily distorted the further deviance there is from 100. An IQ of 115 and 120 are farther apart than an IQ of 135 and 140, using most standard tests.

Beyond that, you get into very specialized testing that is very subjective and usually organization-specific. As many note, it's difficult to test just how much more intelligent someone is than yourself. Then you also get into the issue of types of intelligence - strategic versus tactical genius, savant-like characteristics, etc.

The top 10% ranked according to intellectual performance represent a far more diverse group than the bottom 90, in all honesty. It's because we think and remember in such radically different ways from the average person that allow us to exceed their potential.

Not really. I guess You are unclear on the general meaning as it is used on this site. See suggestions for alternatives above.

I'm clear on it. I'm telling you that it's a piss poor term to use to ambiguously describe a nameless and faceless group you direct your frustrations toward.

Your point here is completely obscure to me.

Not unexpected. Unfortunately, there's not much that can be done to help you.

However, for those reading along - my point is that many resources have been excruciatingly vital and rare in the past. Salt was used as a form of currency. Now we throw it on the roads to melt ice - something that would have been unthinkable in Roman times (where you would have gone out and shoveled the stuff). It was modern mining operations and supply lines that have made salt, almost literally, as cheap as dirt.

The use for salt didn't change all that much - it is still crucial in preservation and as a flavoring. It's still just as vital to human biology. It was used and manipulated by those vying for power... just as any resource has... ... and those same people still exist and have found other ways to manipulate society in spite of salt becoming so common we throw it around to melt snow and soften water.

Are there enough People, having all They want when They want it, who would choose to monitor? If not, build robotic monitors. Geez. Why is this an issue for You? Do continue the list. Please.

Who would design and monitor the robots?

Somebody has to do something - if not by demand, they will do it by choice, and eventually develop something that requires human involvement.

Best start with subquantum kinetics, eh? It has produced far more in the way of testable (and tested) predictions than Relativity has…

Really....

So, after reading this book, I will know all I need to know in order to build one of these free energy devices, if I am to interpret your statements correctly.

Else, I have to accept that the books do not do an adequate job of describing the theory - as you "test above the 99 percentile," have read the books (and understand the theories)... yet have not built one of these devices.

A curious set of circumstances, to say the least.

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The teapot is where it will remain.

A free energy system will not be allowed to exist for everyone. I hope you can see the character chopping wood and carrying water can build. Perdition is a horrible thing to waste.

In either scenario i hope you are willing to witness to those around you through compassion and long suffering.

Originally posted by Aim64C
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

Ok. And Your point…?

*sigh*

Plenty of resources were once very scarce. Now they are as (if not more) abundant than water. We still have 'elites.'

We still live in energy scarcity. Whatever resources do, if energy is scarce, We need to account for it. And that means exchange of things We account for it with - today it is money. (Money = meaningful energy expended.)

Once We add abundant free energy, the need to account for it vanishes.

(And BTW… I test well above even the 99th. For whatever that’s worth. And I have studied deeply economics for 50 years and synthesized the solution on that foundation.)

Please. Testing into the 99 percentile is really as far as it goes. It's much like IQ tests - which become heavily distorted the further deviance there is from 100. An IQ of 115 and 120 are farther apart than an IQ of 135 and 140, using most standard tests.

Well... On a test where 100 was average and 130 was the 99th percentile, I scored 159. For whatever that's worth.

Not really. I guess You are unclear on the general meaning as it is used on this site. See suggestions for alternatives above.

I'm clear on it. I'm telling you that it's a piss poor term to use to ambiguously describe a nameless and faceless group you direct your frustrations toward.

So... I gave You alternatives. And I do not "direct [My] frustrations" anywhere. I plan to even the field.

Your point here is completely obscure to me.

Not unexpected. Unfortunately, there's not much that can be done to help you.

Cute. Oblique rudeness.

However, for those reading along - my point is that many resources have been excruciatingly vital and rare in the past. Salt was used as a form of currency. Now we throw it on the roads to melt ice - something that would have been unthinkable in Roman times (where you would have gone out and shoveled the stuff). It was modern mining operations and supply lines that have made salt, almost literally, as cheap as dirt.

It's NOT about resources. It's about money/power/energy - three forms of the same thing, like ice/water/steam.

Are there enough People, having all They want when They want it, who would choose to monitor? If not, build robotic monitors. Geez. Why is this an issue for You? Do continue the list. Please.

Who would design and monitor the robots?

I know MANY who love to design and work on robots. It is Their bliss. Those are the Ones. If They have all They need and want, They will choose to spend time with the robots.

Somebody has to do something - if not by demand, they will do it by choice, and eventually develop something that requires human involvement.

The necessary things no One wants to do can be done by robots. All else will be done by Those whose bliss is to do them. Simple enough.

Best start with subquantum kinetics, eh? It has produced far more in the way of testable (and tested) predictions than Relativity has…

Really....

So, after reading this book, I will know all I need to know in order to build one of these free energy devices, if I am to interpret your statements correctly.

Likely, yes. Presuming You are reasonably bright as You so claim.

Else, I have to accept that the books do not do an adequate job of describing the theory - as you "test above the 99 percentile," have read the books (and understand the theories)... yet have not built one of these devices.

Initially it requires money for resources (parts, etc.) and lab space. (Once enough devices are built, such resources and space will be free as the cost of energy is removed down the line.) I am living in a shelter and literally do not have a penny to My name. Makes it difficult to build anything.

A curious set of circumstances, to say the least.

Just the luck of the draw (read Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers to grasp that the biggest role in success is luck).

Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

The teapot is where it will remain.

I fight that on behalf of Humanity - so that the beauty and creativity of all may shine. You don't know that things will remain as they are...You only guess or place highest probability on that.

A free energy system will not be allowed to exist for everyone.

Oh, They will try to maintain the polluting, money-making, control giving, death dealing, sickness inducing system They presently control. I fight it. It is all I have to live for.

I hope you can see the character chopping wood and carrying water can build. Perdition is a horrible thing to waste.

Huh? Robots can chop wood and carry water.... What's Your point here?

In either scenario i hope you are willing to witness to those around you through compassion and long suffering

Either scenario? Like...They win or We do? And "witness?" Witness what? It is because of My compassion for Humanity on this planet that I make every effort to bring awareness that We don't have to live with shoddy products so someOne can make a profit, We don't have to live with pollution because it's cheaper to pollute than to find and implement better ways, We don't have to enrich Big Pharma buying drugs that sicken Us further while cures are hidden because well People don't buy drugs, We don't have to abandon Our bliss in favor of a slave job to pay bills and enrich Others, We don't have to have billions in poverty and starvation, We don't have to be barred from education because We can't afford it, We don't need any "laws" but the Three once profit motive is removed.

Would You keep so many in the status quo? If so, You may be a member of the slavemasters.

Originally posted by Amaterasu
My father was an electrical engineer, graduate of CalTech, in the 1950's working for one of the top aerospace contractors (mentioned several times in Secrets) and I remember when He came home to tell Me I couldn't talk about electrogravitics, couldn't talk about the flying cars, couldn't mention the free energy - because "They want it secret for now." That was in late 1959 or maybe early 1960. I was around 3 years old.

Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli
I remember my parents discussing exotic physics with me when I was three years old, too. But they didn't tell me about their classified research until I was four or five. I guess they figured I wasn't mature enough to handle it at three.

Originally posted by Amaterasu
I was very precocious. [smile] And My father was VERY excited about His work and loved to share it with His daughter. As best He could. And it was not "secret" or "classified" at that time. We're talking late 1950's...

After it was pulled into black ops, My father never mentioned it again. He kept His oath.

Hmmmm read a book.... or talk to the daughter.... I know what I would do

it makes sense. you can fly anywhere anytime for free; freedom!!

Originally posted by zorgon

Hmmmm read a book.... or talk to the daughter.... I know what I would do

Actually... I don't see a conflict. [grin] I find the information which can be integrated from many sources to be awesome, My experience included.

In fact, had I not read the book, Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion, memories which were merely murky would never have clarified. I had a memory of My father beaming at Me for some reason but never knew what He was so pleased about. When I read the book, I remembered that I had said, "electrogravitics," at about the age of two. I had a memory of Him waking Me up, but I could not remember why, but knew it was important. The book awoke My full memory of Him coming home to tell Me We couldn't talk about the flying cars, the floating cities, the free energy anymore. We couldn't even speak the word, "electrogravitics." He said, "They want it secret for now."

Synthesize and integrate. [grin]

Originally posted by mandroids
it makes sense. you can fly anywhere anytime for free; freedom!!

More than that, You won't have to pay to fly. Nor pay for Your housing, pay for Your food, pay for Your clothing, pay for Your tools, or anything. Just order it all on the Web.

You can get up when You want, do what You want, go where You want, and sleep when You want. Truly: freedom!

Establish the three Laws:

-----Do not willfully harm or kill another Being (Human or ET)
-----Do not willfully take or damage another Being's property
-----Do not willfully defraud another Being

Supplant the "work ethic" (the slave's ethic) with the Betterment Ethic (the noble Being's Ethic).

Open source all public works.

Focus on organic (in the true sense and not a trumped up legal sense) food.

Create robots to do all necessary work no One wants to do.

This will free Us from planned obsolescence (giving Us freedom from waste), hidden cures (allowing Us health freedom), good food (freedom from hunger and unhealthy chemicals), and having to give up on Our bliss to find a job (freedom from wage slavery).

Do you have a PDF version of this book to download?
That one on scribd is really hard to read (blurry). I am rarely reading books and i am also very skeptical..but this actually looks interesting and now i want to read it without getting a headache

Edit: Found it!