The Pentagon Is Offering Free Military Hardware to Police in the US: the 1033 Program

Benjamin Carlson at The Daily reports on a little known endeavor called the "1033 Program" that gave more than $500 million of military gear to US police in 2011 alone. 1033 was passed by Congress in 1997 to help law-enforcement fight terrorism and drugs, but despite a 40 year low in violent crime, police are snapping up hardware like never before. While this years staggering take topped the charts, next years orders are up 400 percent over the same period.

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Link to the 1033 official site: www.justnet.org...
List of items offered: www.dispositionservices.dla.mil... (Aircraft, Tactical Vehicles and Weapons (Primary M16s, M14s and pistols).
Typical Federal Website. You'll need to register... and be in Law Enforcement to get to the other goodies/property available.
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Cops in Cobb County, Ga. — one of the wealthiest and most educated counties in the U.S. — now have an Amphibious Tank. The Sheriff of Richland County, S.C., proudly acquired a machine-gun-equipped armored personnel carrier that he nicknamed “The Peacemaker.”

This comes on top of grants from the Department of Homeland Security that enable police departments to buy vehicles such as “BearCats” — 16,000-pound bulletproof trucks equipped with battering rams, gun ports, tear-gas dispensers and radiation detectors. To date, more than 500 of these tanklike vehicles have been sold by Lenco, its Massachusetts-based manufacturer, according to a report in the Orlando Sentinel.

Source: www.businessinsider.com...
Be sure to check out the link to the Sheriff Dept (they don't look like police-more like a BattleField 3 unit!) mentioned in the story: www.rcsd.net...

So true, as I read in the story. This notion of bigger and more killing power has crepted into the Police mindset in the last 25 years. From the beginning of LE life till now. CRAZY. But the problem is, the "citizens" started getting better armed than the police. Mostly in the Los Angles, Mimia, Huston/Dallas & NYC. Then the smaller urban areas began to copy cat.

Cops were being out-gunned-as most remarkably seen in the LA Bank Shoot Out from the late 90's. If you know nothing about this one... GOOGLE it. Trust me. Watch the videos and the re-enactments. Crazy stuff.

I have to say I have been fortunate. I have never been exposed to such a sceen where massive weapontry was at the ready. Mostly shotguns and pistols-a rifle once in a while). But, the original Twin Tower bombers trained not more than 20 miles from my house. What if I would have ran into them one day.... whew. They were armed to the max-far more than we carried then.

As I near my exit from LE, I am happy to be going... I won't be shedding any tears and I won't be back.
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Wow....

I don't know what to say about this, I remember the police at one point making a conscious effort to develop non lethal weapons. How did we get to the point where they need full automatic weapons?

Weapons like that are designed for one thing only...killing man.

you know...if i didn't know any better...it would almsot seem that the government in the US is gearing up for a war here on american soil.

maybe not even against us citizens (or perhaps). but...what if they knew that we would get invaded...and knew that thye would need as much fire power at as many local levels as possible? and the new bill to detain citizens would be to detain foreign soldiers posing as citizens?

i mean...yeah. highly unlikely that they are instituting a police state to protect us. i know. but it's just a thought...

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I agree the police have to be armed a little better. Especially down by the Mexico border where the cartels are stepping up their game.

Megadeth made a song about the LA bank shootout called 44 minutes. Good song check it out. Don't want to post it so it doesn't derail the thread.

Back in the 90s where I live a cop was gunned down by two idiots with semi autos. This was during a time when the Canadian police still carried revolvers. He had no chance. This incident prompted the police to issue semis.

wow,Such heavy armor with the american police.Man,the american police would be supreme controller of american population.Such levels of police are needed with OWS and Tea Party protesting and arab spring coming to USA.

How long before american police has mortar and nerve gas to mass murder protesters.After all,americans are experts at genocide and mass murder.

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I know what you are saying. Its one of those situations where on one hand you have to look at the perspective of safety for the officers and on the other hand its a recipe for disaster.

What should be done is the repairing of society.

Legalize all drugs, employ everyone, spend money on advancement of society only. The problems will disappear overnight.

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Hello new person to ATS. Just yesterday. Welcome.

Well, I don't agree with your statement about the police needed on the Tea Partiers. They didn't break laws and/or cause public discord.

But, to the rest of it. Yes. Interesting you mentioned Arab Spring. I think you maybe onto something. I just came across this article:

How Israeli Occupation Forces, Bahraini Monarchy Guards Trained U.S. Police For Coordinated Crackdown On “Occupy” Protests
exiledonline.com... rotests/

Its a long article but stick with it. Trust me. Something's up-IMO

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As if that will happen.American govt is the most corrupt on the planet and do you think they will legalise drugs? Drugs and illegal narcotics generates trillion dollar revenues for CIA and fascist corporate rule in USA.What you peasants think is not what your masters care about.

If you want to fight the paramilitary you better have kornets or RPG-29.These would be effective against heavy armor of the paramilitary.Get them from black market or russian FSB or whereever.These are the weapons that citizens will need to the fight the american paramilitary police.

You know what this tells me?

Really bad times are coming, they know it, and they want to be prepared to assault anybody who puts a toe out of line and put into ICU anybody who steps two.

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ICU? kill the person you should say.

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Bad times are already here.

But yes that is a strong possibility.

This can be a good thing.
First, if you have a military background and your heart is in the right place (you recognize the tyranny we all face), become a police officer. Be the change you want to see.
Second, try to steer yourself/yourselves into the department that does the hiring and firing. Get your people there.
Third, the department that oversees the weaponry. You will want to make sure the weapons are utilized in a constitutional manner. The lax oversight that plagues the federal government(s) cannot extend to the local police.
Lastly, the Chief of Police or Commissioner, whatever it is called in your town. He must BE you, or respect you and yours.
Then, you welcome ALL weapons the feds want to give you, while you are quietly working for states rights.

Originally posted by SurrealisticPillow
This can be a good thing.
First, if you have a military background and your heart is in the right place (you recognize the tyranny we all face), become a police officer. Be the change you want to see.
Second, try to steer yourself/yourselves into the department that does the hiring and firing. Get your people there.
Third, the department that oversees the weaponry. You will want to make sure the weapons are utilized in a constitutional manner. The lax oversight that plagues the federal government(s) cannot extend to the local police.
Lastly, the Chief of Police or Commissioner, whatever it is called in your town. He must BE you, or respect you and yours.
Then, you welcome ALL weapons the feds want to give you, while you are quietly working for states rights.

Now, there's a thinking man...

Great idea...

except the armchair commando's on here wouldn't go through all that..

Isn't that the premise of jujitsu? Use your opponents force against him?

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Yeah, Jujitsu in a coordinated way.
You have to be in the fight to have a chance, don't you?

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Good thread.

However I think its better to give away possibly used or older model of equipment to the Local police then to leave behind US tax payer funded goodies in another country. The cost of transporting weaponry to a war theatre is expensive including $40.00 to transport a litre of water to the frontline troops. However often times, the amount of time and money spent on a particular technology is often easily handed over to the enemies.

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I'll have to disagree. I don't think the police need that kind of equipment. They (the taxpayers) are responsible for all cost related to upkeep, training, storage etc etc. Basically, you want it, we got it-it's yours, HAVE FUN.

Are things really that bad in that county that a sheriff was able to justify a Amphibious Assault Combat Vehicle....? Prove it is what I would say if I was there.

Now, playing the devils advocate... the boys with their toys will have their joys

Originally posted by anon72
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I'll have to disagree. I don't think the police need that kind of equipment. They (the taxpayers) are responsible for all cost related to upkeep, training, storage etc etc. Basically, you want it, we got it-it's yours, HAVE FUN.

Are things really that bad in that county that a sheriff was able to justify a Amphibious Assault Combat Vehicle....? Prove it is what I would say if I was there.

Now, playing the devils advocate... the boys with their toys will have their joys

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Ok so what would you rather do if given a choice between leaving behind in a foreign country for the war lords or to give it to the boys locally given a choice?

Remember we are not living in a perfect world.

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things are going to be very bad in the future.

Here in my little town of 3500 the only military style equipment I've seen is a Humvee the Sheriff's department got from the National Guard for free. The deputy that went to Jefferson City to pick it up stopped in my work to get a universal ignition switch for it. I started questioning him on it asking why our town/county needed it. His response was they were going to use it for SWAT. Only problem is, we don't have a SWAT team or any kind of tactical response team here. Any time we've needed something like that we called a team in from Jefferson County. I asked him why is the National Guard giving military style vehicles to law enforcement and giving it for free at that. I asked what if any type of weapons they planned on outfitting it with. I go no answer to these as he started to ignore me.(could tell he was getting mad at all the questions) The last question I asked him was if I could take a picture of it as I thought it was cool looking. He wouldn't answer me. I was getting ready to go to lunch when he came in so I clocked out and went outside to meet my wife. I took a picture anyway. If someone can tell me how to upload it to ATS I'll be more than happy to post it.

Think I figured it out.

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On the top of this page, look for 'Tools' and then select 'ATS Uploads'.