Mystery company buying up U.S. gun manufacturers

reply to post by ANNED


I'm glad to read that. Aren't rifled gun barrels hard to fabricate from scratch though?

It's all about manipulation.

I own around 100 guns, and all are in firing condition. It's my hobby, I even competed in USPSA 3 gun and when I quit I was a class B shooter. I also have a CCW and carry a Kimber .45 often.

I reload my own ammunition for rifle and shotgun but use store bought for pistol. Shortly after the election I got one of the "OMG Obama is going to take away our guns and ammo" E-mails. I read it, researched it, and discarded it without forwarding as it was bunk.

Two days later I stopped at Wal Mart to buy some .45 ammo, and they had none, not even the cheap whitebox junk. The clerk told me that a guy had come in the day before saying he had inside info that Obama was going to make ammunition hard to get since it was easier than taking guns away, so he cleaned them out of almost all their pistol ammo. I drove a little farther to my local gun store and found the same thing, and heard the same story. This went on for months, as soon as they got more in it was bought up quickly by those unable to buy before. The prices have only now started to come down, I used to buy 1,000 rounds of FMJ .223 for $160, today they run close to $500.

The E-mails were bogus, but the response by a few made it seem real because it created a shortage. Stores don't normally keep large amounts of ammunition on hand, it's a hazardous product that creates unique storage problems. Odds are the only rounds they have are all locked in the case in sporting goods, none is in the backroom.

Same basic thing happened with guns, especially "black rifles". Prices shot up and sales went way up, all over a few bogus E-mails with official sounding bills.


Now the questiuon you have to ask is this, Do the liberals want more guns out there?

Of course not, so I seriously doubt it is a liberal plot.


The more likely scenario is that few profiteers invested heavily in gun and ammunition companies when Obama won, then stirred the pot a bit to increase sales.

Always follow the money. Soro's is first and foremost a moneygrubber, his politics are a smokescreen to make him look like a good guy.

You know, its a real canard to say that libs or Dems don't want guns out there.
Guns were never the issue, just trying to make it harder for criminals to get them.
Yes, I know Fast and Furious screwed that pooch. LOL

As a gun-toting, hunter and a lib to boot, I can tell you for sure that I don't have a problem with guns, just idiots with them.

Unfortunately idiocy is relative.

Originally posted by Semicollegiate
reply to post by ANNED

 

I'm glad to read that. Aren't rifled gun barrels hard to fabricate from scratch though?

Hard but not impossible.

The mechines are out there.
garagegunsmithing.com...
saubier.tempwebpage.com...
www.practicalmachinist.com...
bbs.homeshopmachinist.net...

Some machinist make a nice business just making custom barrels for others to make guns from.
www.ricebarrels.com...
www.rockcreekbarrels.com...
www.bartleinbarrels.com...

Then they will say, we have gone out of business. And possibly enforce a restriction through lack of supply, or even push for tighter gun control themselves.

reply to post by Semicollegiate

The austrian school of economics explains that the free market system would always be more decentralized and efficient because the relevant information would always be closer to the producer and consumer.

This depends upon the market. An AR-15 is an AR-15. Decentralization is almost always more expensive when you are looking at issues of mass production. Goods that can be mass produced are always going to see centralization.

With advances in industry, the practicality of mass-producing weapons has, also, increased. Until the turn of the century, most weapons manufacturing was inherently low-volume due to the limitations of automated processes and the manpower required for their manufacture. It's only natural for the process of centralization to begin in this market.

What that does is free up the independent resources to innovate ahead/around the efficiency of mass production to produce the next generation (that will, too, eventually move to mass production when it becomes available) - and the cycle continues.

The problem with our economy is that we have tax systems and regulatory systems that create an inordinate amount of risk for the entrepreneur by increasing start-up investments or criminalizing the informal "hobby business."

This is not news and it's not a conspiracy in America in a capitalist system this happens all too often for the simple fact everyone does it from media to big pharma they do this to survive in an ever increasing hostile environment.

Companies buy other ones all the time nothing new here but off course if people want to see the boogieman here that is their perogative.

Oh and Dan Qualye is the spokesman run with it.

reply to post by benrl


Bad news for gun owners if the people buying the gun manufacturers are Republicans.

Those people really hate freedom...unlessw they can make a quick buck off of it.

Not really liking the name "freedom group"... It's sad the word freedom gives me a cause for concern. But the "Patriot Act" sounds all nice and fluffy too. We all better watch this group, something smells fishy here.

All arms manufacturers and arms dealers have profound interest in making sure their weapons are being sold...that is how they eat...no problem here...

Everything is not a 'conspiracy' - but, everything has (or, develops over time) 'ulterior motives'.

Call it whatever you want. Smells fishy.

Originally posted by JAY1980
Not really liking the name "freedom group"... It's sad the word freedom gives me a cause for concern. But the "Patriot Act" sounds all nice and fluffy too. We all better watch this group, something smells fishy here.

Embarrassed to admit most of my friends and family did not even know that it's the USA PATRIOT Act and it is an acronym that does some extremely bad things and takes an awful lot of freedoms with your privacy (that is to say, NOTHING is private anymore.

Check this out...

Last week, something really weird happened with my iPhone (and other apps). I copied a large section of txt, from an SMS-txt message discussion I was having with one person. I pasted that passage into an email (also from my phone - Yahoo! Tied in). Within a minute of the email being sent I received a Google Pop-up Window on the Laptop sitting next to me on the coffee table that I was using that contained the exact message that I had cut/pasted, but hadn't been touched in 15 minutes. WTF?

How about this; instead of creating World War III lets start World Peace I...

In this day in age.
I would hazard a guess that they are buying up gun companies in order to consolidate patents or combine technologies together without having pay licensing fees.

A smart move if you want to get government contracts and want to be the most innovative gun maker.

reply to post by Agarta


Well done Agarta.

So we have Bush-era Neocons associated with private military contractors buying up all of the weapons manufacturing capability. Nice. At first I wondered why they would be arming the American pubic when their intent is to use the private armies against Americans when TSHTF. Then I realized, these semi-auto rifles - fearsome as they may look to the uneducated, easily frightened liberal - can only shoot one round at a time. When they come, they'll be pulling up in armored vehicles with .50 cal machine guns on top; drones are already flying the skies above major cities providing "overwatch." And in the meantime, they can finance their advanced weaponry, by selling us pea-shooters.

Despite popular opinion, the American public is woefully outgunned should TSHTF. On the bright side, there are more of us than there are of them.

reply to post by silent thunder


After a quick search on this and going directly to the mentioned companies sites, all I see is a business with lots of customers, no different than the any other.

Sometimes a business is just a business and people invest in them to make money.

What is your interest? Are you anti-gun or pro-gun? We all know how a thread like this can in fact seed a rumor. Often the real conspiracy lies on the other side.

It always bothers me when a monopoly emerges in any industry. Once upon a time it wasn't allowed to happen - in the spirit of maintaining a healthy level of competition int he marketplace. We all know that our free market has been hijacked by huge corporate entities that want nothing else but to control everything. No more free market or competition.

Regardless of the political leanings of whatever company is doing this, it is still worrisome. It seems like it's purely business on the part of Cerberus, but I don't like it. However, there are enough boutique arms companies out there that there should still be enough of a supply if needed: Stag, Robinson, Barrett, etc.

Here's an interesting piece i just came across. Probably no direct relationship to the case at hand...although if there is a long-term police-military-hardware nexus taking shape, it would make sense that big-time investors would want to get in on the ground floor of a tasty future boom.

The Pentagon Is Offering Free Military Hardware To Every Police Department In The US

The US military has some of the most advanced killing equipment in the world that allows it to invade almost wherever it likes at will.

We produce so much military equipment that inventories of military robots, M-16 assault rifles, helicopters, armored vehicles, and grenade launchers eventually start to pile up and it turns a lot of these weapons are going straight to American police forces to be used against US citizens.

Benjamin Carlson at The Daily reports on a little known endeavor called the “1033 Program” that gave more than $500 million of military gear to US police in 2011 alone.

1033 was passed by Congress in 1997 to help law-enforcement fight terrorism and drugs, but despite a 40 year low in violent crime, police are snapping up hardware like never before. While this years staggering take topped the charts, next years orders are up 400 percent over the same period.

Seems like a prime time to be investing in guns in the U.S....

also, I checked out the Bilderberg attendee lists for the last four years and Feinberg hasn't been there.

Oh well I wouldnt buy too many guns from those companies anyway because they have quality control issues, poor customer service and arent milspec, which obviously counts. Some things cheaper is better but with guns you usually get what you pay for. For higher quality guns the companies are also usually smaller and not just trying to mass produce. I'd just say they are trying to corner the market of the brands that sell the most.