George Clooneys Satellites find MASS Graves In Sudan-

You read that right, goerge clooney has satellites that have found mass graves in Sudan. I dont really know what to make of this I guess I want to know, why does he have satellites anyhow
battleland.blogs.time.com...

From the article:
The group combined eyewitness reports and DigitalGlobe satellite imagery to pinpoint what seem almost certainly to be piles of bodies in Kadguli and mass graves south of there. The group cites four eyewitness accounts of Sudan Armed Forces from northern Sudan and related militias searching houses in the town and "systematically killing" civilians suspected of supporting southern Sudan forces.


The report describes the slitting of one civilian's throat and sealing and burning homes with civilians inside.

Eyewitnesses also describe the mass graves, shown above, dug by a yellow earth mover on June 8 less than a mile south of the Tilo School in Kadugli. The pits are about 26 meters long and 5 meters wide. Large green trucks were seen driving to the site and unloading around 100 bodies.



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reply to post by AllUrChips

Maybe because he has a heart, the money to help, and gives a # about people less fortunate than himself in other countries? Just a guess
ETA The West has been ignoring the plight of poor, helpless Africans of various nations (Sudan and Darfur to name just 2) for years. I guess George saw the light. Good on him

wow. i wish i had the means to do something like this

Originally posted by LightSpeedDriver
reply to post by AllUrChips

 

Maybe because he has a heart, the money to help, and gives a # about people less fortunate than himself in other countries? Just a guess

ETA The West has been ignoring the plight of poor, helpless Africans of various nations (Sudan and Darfur to name just 2) for years. I guess George saw the light. Good on him

edit on 4/12/11 by LightSpeedDriver because: ETA

I dont think they have been overlooking their plight, but the US cant help everyone when they wont even take care of their own

reply to post by AllUrChips

I did not say the US, I said the West. That is the whole of Northern America (including Canada) and all of western Europe. They have been letting it go, believe me. I am in Holland and have been reading about poor Darfur for at least 5 years. People just don't want to do anything.
ETA Take care of their own? Really? Here's a scenario...

You live in a village in the middle of nowhere. Poor agricultural people. All of a sudden a militia force of rebels arrives in many jeeps and with ak47's or similar. Who's gonna help ya now? Jungle law.

He does not own satellites.

The project works like this: Commercial satellites passing over the border of northern and southern Sudan are able to capture possible threats to civilians, observe the movement of displaced people, detect bombed and razed villages, or note other evidence of pending mass violence.

www.satsentinel.org...

Not On Our Watch -- co-founded by Don Cheadle, George Clooney, Matt Damon, Brad Pitt, David Pressman, and Jerry Weintraub -- has provided seed money to launch the project. Please support the Satellite Sentinel Project by donating to Not On Our Watch.

Originally posted by LightSpeedDriver
reply to post by AllUrChips

 

I did not say the US, I said the West. That is the whole of Northern America (including Canada) and all of western Europe. They have been letting it go, believe me. I am in Holland and have been reading about poor Darfur for at least 5 years. People just don't want to do anything.

So then very well, then what has the "east' done for them? Do you have any suggestions here?

reply to post by AllUrChips

Probably exploited, when that didn't work or when they found it they had no resources they wanted, its pull out time. Its a poor country. They do not have life like we know it with infrastructure, public services and the like.
ETA War in Darfur since 2003!

ETA2 If you mean Asian nations when you say "the east" then your history is lacking. Most African nations have been colonised by western countries. Holland, England, Germany, Belgium, France, etc. Why would "the east" help here? I think they have enough problems of their own without interfering in African countries.

reply to post by LightSpeedDriver

The West has been ignoring the plight of poor, helpless Africans of various nations (Sudan and Darfur to name just 2) for years.

Yeah buddy... let's go ahead and send NATO in! That ALWAYS garners a lot of respect, support, and love, towards the West... especially the United States! We're always damned if we do... and damned if we don't!

Perhaps the UN should get up off of their useless asses, and take stand for what they claim to believe in!

Africa is not the West's problem! It's a problem the WORLD needs to try to correct... TOGETHER!

See ya,
Milt

reply to post by BenReclused

The UN? Eek! That will bring no good. The UN is an evil organisation. They have rarely done "good". I think Africa should just get fairer prices and compensation for the damage already done for the past...oh couple of centuries or so.

reply to post by LightSpeedDriver

I tend to agree with your last post, however:
The West (especially the US) HAS provided a lot of aide and support to many countries in Africa. Unfortunately that support and aide tends to land in the wrong hands. Nothing in Africa is going to change without the use of force, and eliminating the many murderous parties controlling numerous locations.

See ya,
Milt

reply to post by BenReclused

Sounds like an imperialist view if ever I heard one. I could say the same about the west

reply to post by LightSpeedDriver

Sounds like an imperialist view if ever I heard one.

Perhaps it does... but to keep feeding the thugs certainly isn't going to solve the problem.

I could say the same about the west

I have no doubt that comment was in reference to NATO and, probably more specifically, to the US.

Like I said earlier:

We're always damned if we do... and damned if we don't!

That one fact has convinced me that it's time for us to bring all of our troops home... and let the rest of the World take care of itself... unless we are specifically asked for help... and our expenses are compensated.

How is the Netherlands dealing with the problems in Africa? Though I doubt it: Are you achieving your perceived goals to help those poor souls? I certainly hope so. Good luck! You definitely need it!

See ya,
Milt

Darfur Video

There is a short video on the page above. I for one get sick of the USA is the world police force mentality and think that more often than not, we should stay out of other country's affairs. However, when you are talking about genocide, hundreds of thousands of people murdered, millions displaced from their homes, etc... someone needs to stand up and fight for these people.

It's like the world never learns, we had the holocaust and leaders vowed to never let it happen again. Then the killing fields of Cambodia, Bosnia, Rwanda, and now after years of watching it happen in Darfur, we still haven't put forth a genuine effort to stop it.

Yet, we are more than happy to help instigate a war with Libya, Syria, etc...over 'human rights' violations. You can do the math, how many civilians were being 'massacred' by Gaddafi versus how many have been killed by the Janjaweed.

All that being said, I guess it takes individual action and perhaps I should be doing more than donating a little money each month...

reply to post by BenReclused

Perhaps it does... but to keep feeding the thugs certainly isn't going to solve the problem.

Don't understand that reference. Next.

I have no doubt that comment was in reference to NATO and, probably more specifically, to the US.

On the defensive much? Next

That one fact has convinced me that it's time for us to bring all of our troops home... and let the rest of the World take care of itself... unless we are specifically asked for help... and our expenses are compensated.

I totally agree. First sensible thing you have said.

How is the Netherlands dealing with the problems in Africa? Though I doubt it: Are you achieving your perceived goals to help those poor souls? I certainly hope so. Good luck! You definitely need it!

No idea, I'm not Dutch so am not allowed to vote. Their politics suck but maybe you should ask a Dutchman.
Adios

reply to post by BenReclused

The west took far more than it ever gave. Slaves, gold, ivory, animals. But enough. I can see discussion is pointless. Goodbye friend.

reply to post by jimmysinger

First you say this:

I for one get sick of the USA is the world police force mentality and think that more often than not, we should stay out of other country's affairs. However, when you are talking about genocide, hundreds of thousands of people murdered, millions displaced from their homes, etc... someone needs to stand up and fight for these people.

Then you say this:

It's like the world never learns, we had the holocaust and leaders vowed to never let it happen again. Then the killing fields of Cambodia, Bosnia, Rwanda, and now after years of watching it happen in Darfur, we still haven't put forth a genuine effort to stop it.

It seems like you have contradicting thoughts... Or... Is the "world police force mentality" only acceptable when you agree with it?... Or... Are you suggesting someone else should step up to the plate and take action?

The UN is already in Darfur protecting people according to the UN's website.

See ya,
Milt

reply to post by LightSpeedDriver

On the defensive much?

Not necessarily, but I do find it to best to be on my guard when dealing with passive-aggressive personalities.

See ya,
Milt

Originally posted by LightSpeedDriver
reply to post by BenReclused

 

The west took far more than it ever gave. Slaves, gold, ivory, animals. But enough. I can see discussion is pointless. Goodbye friend.

I can certainly feel the love... thank you very much!

See ya,
Milt

reply to post by BenReclused

It seems like you have contradicting thoughts... Or... Is the "world police force mentality" only acceptable when you agree with it?... Or... Are you suggesting someone else should step up to the plate and take action?

Milt,

I don't feel that my thoughts are conflicting but perhaps my explanation was. I feel that MOST of the time, we should stay out of other country's affairs. However, when the issue is genocide to the tune of 400,000+ civilians murdered by a government regime, someone needs to stand up and say enough is enough.

I'm not saying it needs to be the US or Canada or Japan or anybody in particular but as an American, its my opinion this is one place that deserves our intervention.