OWS is wrong...You are the 99 percent who enable the 20+ percent of resources from planet earth to b

i don't go over and exploit developing nations for their resources and man power. it is impossible to completely boycott big businesses that use slave labor, like wrangler jeans, or apple, or microsoft.

the "civilized" world does consume much more than it's share of goods, and sticking it to big business is the best way to lessen the gap in wealth.

you have to realize that most of america and europe is brainwashed. most are completely unaware that their clothes and electronics are manufactured in sweat shops that pay 52 cents an hour for an 80 hour work week. workers are kept in dorm rooms, not allowed outside visitors, and sleep on sheets of plywood.
www.stuff.co.nz...

there will be no change as long as these big businesses and corrupt officials stand unopposed. so what are you doing?

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz

the "civilized" world does consume much more than it's share of goods, and sticking it to big business is the best way to lessen the gap in wealth.

edit on 4-12-2011 by Bob Sholtz because: (no reason given)

Actually big business is sticking it to themselves with their incredibily short sighted approach and the babyboomers being naive enough to think prosperity at the expense of others lasts forever.

Sooner or later cash runs out, so what are THEY gonna do? I don't really expect government(s) to solve anything. I think they are incapable to be honest!!

You got one big thing wrong OP. American's aren't "falsely entitled" to anything they have, this country, everything in it and everything it is has been EARNED asshole. In blood, money, sweat, labor and in every shape and form American's built America and deserve every bit of it, even much more if you ask me. You feel differently? Come try and take what you think belongs to you and see what happens. In all actuality, that is what I would call a false sense of entitlement.

All this stuff we have here in this country, you don't think somebody was there to SELL it and profit. The rest of the world has profited off of American success. From slaves to oil to plastic cups, the reason America has so much # is because we bought it from someone. Now you come a long and say American's consume these resources that are PAID for by the work they did off of our ancestors success illegitimately, and that we are stiffing the rest of world by not giving away everything we worked for. Your full of #.

What's worse is that OP probably sits from within a comfy basement somewhere sipping soda pop and smoking cigarettes, just like the rest of the people that say this #.

reply to post by RightWingAvenger


You nailed it, my friend. OWS is part of the skewed views the government has conditioned us to accept through the media. They wish us to hate big business, turn to communism, and become dependent on the government. They make the wealthy look like the bad guy even though they're the ones charging the economy. There's a reason we're a Capitalist society: IT WORKS. Freedom in its most basic form!!

reply to post by Bob Sholtz


No, no, no! Bad! Get out there and make your own wealth. There is no slave labor, you have been conditioned by the government to want free handouts! Business is not the bad guy, they keep the economy going! The government is the bad guy! It's not greed, they're making money! Isn't that, like, the goal of most Americans!? If I go and earn so much money, I don't want to give part of it to you, who sat around earning nothing, just for the sake of being equal! You know why? Because we WOULDN'T BE EQUAL! I would have more money than you because I earned it. I would have more worth than you because I generated that value! Money is not a finite object, it represents our value, the amount of worth that we've created through work! Life isn't fair, if you don't like not being equal, you should go earn some more money.

How about people in those countries that are so poor, practice birth control.

You wouldn't have the problems that we have in the world today if we didn't have so many people.

So, exercise a little self control and don' t have 6 kids.

reply to post by RSF77


Thanks man, I can't type enough about the stunning amount of Communism on this site. The conspiracy has infiltrated the one place we thought was safe.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


The thing people are missing here is that it's NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB to get involved in matters of economics, matters of health, matters of.. matters of etc, etc. They're not supposed to get involved in ANY OF THAT BS! The government is there for one reason, and one reason only: To protect our rights. That means upholding the constitution, dealing justice to criminals, and protecting the country through the military, and anything else that you have a right to(THIS DOES NOT MEAN HANDOUTS!!). If the government had stayed out of everything else, it would be just fine. And now because of this involvement, the one world government, NWO, and the like have had a perfect opportunity for a way in to control the American public, because we beg for handouts like the sheep we are. Control of the American public is important because it means control of the world at large. Remember, the government caters to us! They are below us, they are our SERVANTS, hence the title PUBLIC SERVANT. We allow them to serve! If we don't find them fit, we remove them, because we are the all-powerful people! Unfortunately, the congress people that are supposed to be our voice and are supposed to balance out the government, get to caught up with power and think they are above us.

Originally posted by RSF77
You got one big thing wrong OP. American's aren't "falsely entitled" to anything they have, this country, everything in it and everything it is has been EARNED asshole. In blood, money, sweat, labor and in every shape and form American's built America and deserve every bit of it, even much more if you ask me. You feel differently? Come try and take what you think belongs to you and see what happens. In all actuality, that is what I would call a false sense of entitlement.

All this stuff we have here in this country, you don't think somebody was there to SELL it and profit. The rest of the world has profited off of American success. From slaves to oil to plastic cups, the reason America has so much # is because we bought it from someone. Now you come a long and say American's consume these resources that are PAID for by the work they did off of our ancestors success illegitimately, and that we are stiffing the rest of world by not giving away everything we worked for. Your full of #.

What's worse is that OP probably sits from within a comfy basement somewhere sipping soda pop and smoking cigarettes, just like the rest of the people that say this #.

edit on 5-12-2011 by RSF77 because: (no reason given)

So much bull# in one post..

1. The wealth of the United States was originally built on slave labor.
2. The continued wealth of the United States in the Global Economy came from after WWII when EVERYONE was rebuilding their own countries, the US was building EVERYTHING ELSE.

The United States sits on a lot of privilege that was NOT paid for by YOUR ancestors, but the ancestors of others.

Originally posted by cpay970
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

The thing people are missing here is that it's NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB to get involved in matters of economics, matters of health, matters of.. matters of etc, etc. They're not supposed to get involved in ANY OF THAT BS! The government is there for one reason, and one reason only: To protect our rights. That means upholding the constitution, dealing justice to criminals, and protecting the country through the military, and anything else that you have a right to(THIS DOES NOT MEAN HANDOUTS!!). If the government had stayed out of everything else, it would be just fine. And now because of this involvement, the one world government, NWO, and the like have had a perfect opportunity for a way in to control the American public, because we beg for handouts like the sheep we are. Control of the American public is important because it means control of the world at large. Remember, the government caters to us! They are below us, they are our SERVANTS, hence the title PUBLIC SERVANT. We allow them to serve! If we don't find them fit, we remove them, because we are the all-powerful people! Unfortunately, the congress people that are supposed to be our voice and are supposed to balance out the government, get to caught up with power and think they are above us.

What handouts dude, are you insane? People have to pay into every social welfare program and thus are ENTITLED to what they get. Take off your blinders! Now there might be some waste when it comes to state welfare and illegal immigrants but that is a different story.

We are talking about social security, medicare and medicaid. We are talking about Theodore Roosevelts additions to our capitalist society, This is neither socialist nor communist practice. It is common sense that exists in every nation on this planet. Perhaps you should travel more and get an idea what everyone is talking about.

Originally posted by cpay970
reply to post by Bob Sholtz

 

No, no, no! Bad! Get out there and make your own wealth. There is no slave labor, you have been conditioned by the government to want free handouts! Business is not the bad guy, they keep the economy going! The government is the bad guy! It's not greed, they're making money! Isn't that, like, the goal of most Americans!? If I go and earn so much money, I don't want to give part of it to you, who sat around earning nothing, just for the sake of being equal! You know why? Because we WOULDN'T BE EQUAL! I would have more money than you because I earned it. I would have more worth than you because I generated that value! Money is not a finite object, it represents our value, the amount of worth that we've created through work! Life isn't fair, if you don't like not being equal, you should go earn some more money.

edit on 5-12-2011 by cpay970 because: Didn't finish post.

So according to your warped thinking, everyone should go to asia to cash in their millions because the american government cannot excercise some much needed common sense and put tariffs on asian imports? Just to make wall street investors happy?

Who the hell do you think you are, just because of some stupid piece of paper from some overpaid and mislead college? I went too college to buddy, but I EARNED every #ing penny I ever made and have no problem sharing it as long as most of my money does NOT GO to pay overseas military campaigns which I have absolutely no control over anyway, or some fascist FED dictatorship deciding to bail out executives so they can play more golf in tahiti.

Give me a break. You are actually shooting yourself in the foot and fail to understand this. Sooner or later america will turn into 99% service oriented economy, even carl rove of the republicans has admitted this much. Our american forefathers would be disgraced to see what america has turned into after 200 years of auto-pilot leadership. That means government does at it pleases because people like you enable it and everyone else is too distracted trying to make a living or watching too much sports/celebrties to get involved with THEIR FUTURE! It is like leaving the fox to guard the chicken house. Results are known in advance.

Originally posted by cpay970
reply to post by RightWingAvenger

 

You nailed it, my friend. OWS is part of the skewed views the government has conditioned us to accept through the media. They wish us to hate big business, turn to communism, and become dependent on the government. They make the wealthy look like the bad guy even though they're the ones charging the economy. There's a reason we're a Capitalist society: IT WORKS. Freedom in its most basic form!!

The ONLY freedom left in america is the freedom to own a gun and use it for target practice at the range. But even that "freedom" keeps erroding as liberal capitalists think it is a good idea to keep placing restrictions on what cartridges can be used, long waiting periods to purchase a gun, amount of shells per magazine/clips, and taxes everywhere.

Yeah something to be "proud" of. Just because I am way left does not mean I endorse a tyranical government like the UK with thousands of cameras in london and a near total ban on all guns. I am a market socialist at heart and not some liberal capitalist.

In many communist countries you had a right to own guns and shoot. It beats the heck out of western so called "freedom" any day.

Originally posted by Furbs
1. The wealth of the United States was originally built on slave labor.
2. The continued wealth of the United States in the Global Economy came from after WWII when EVERYONE was rebuilding their own countries, the US was building EVERYTHING ELSE.

The United States sits on a lot of privilege that was NOT paid for by YOUR ancestors, but the ancestors of others.

You're an idiot, you don't assume things about other people's ancestors with dumb, vague posts like that.

1. So? The descendents of these slaves are US citizens. I would say any privileges have been paid for in full, whatever the hell "privilege" it is your talking about, if you even know.

2. EVERYONE was not rebuilding their own countries, EVERYONE didn't participate in WW2. These nations I guess your including in EVERYONE, now enjoy most of the same damn comforts any American does, you dolt.

What exactly do American's have that somehow according to you idiots, we are not entitled to?

Go ahead, what is it? Oil? McDonalds? Cars? Planes? Bombs? Lasers? A functioning military? What?

The rest of the world already has this #, so tell me? What exactly, according to you geniuses, do you expect us as a nation to give you? No, # off.

Originally posted by cpay970
reply to post by Bob Sholtz

 

No, no, no! Bad! Get out there and make your own wealth. There is no slave labor, you have been conditioned by the government to want free handouts! Business is not the bad guy, they keep the economy going! The government is the bad guy! It's not greed, they're making money! Isn't that, like, the goal of most Americans!? If I go and earn so much money, I don't want to give part of it to you, who sat around earning nothing, just for the sake of being equal! You know why? Because we WOULDN'T BE EQUAL! I would have more money than you because I earned it. I would have more worth than you because I generated that value! Money is not a finite object, it represents our value, the amount of worth that we've created through work! Life isn't fair, if you don't like not being equal, you should go earn some more money.

edit on 5-12-2011 by cpay970 because: Didn't finish post.

umm...there is slave labor. almost everything foreign you buy manufactured in haiti, china, indonesia, and taiwan is essentially slave labor. the people work in horrible conditions that aren't suitable for even animals, get paid pennies per hour with super long shifts, and are abused.

lets try this, i'll send you over to china to work for apple in a factory where you make 52 cents an hour, work 16 hours a day, no breaks, and if you make a mistake they beat you and force you to clean the toilets. you can sleep on a sheet of plywood with 20 other people in a room on site and you aren't allowed any visitors.

lets see you "make your own wealth" in that scenario, hell, i'd be impressed if you survived. one man committed suicide for accidentally losing an iphone because he'd rather die than suffer what his employers would do to him.

most of our goods come from slave labor. if you think it's not so bad, then go work over there for a week.

Originally posted by RSF77

Originally posted by Furbs
1. The wealth of the United States was originally built on slave labor.
2. The continued wealth of the United States in the Global Economy came from after WWII when EVERYONE was rebuilding their own countries, the US was building EVERYTHING ELSE.

The United States sits on a lot of privilege that was NOT paid for by YOUR ancestors, but the ancestors of others.

You're an idiot, you don't assume things about other people's ancestors with dumb, vague posts like that.

1. So? The descendents of these slaves are US citizens. I would say any privileges have been paid for in full, whatever the hell "privilege" it is your talking about, if you even know.

2. EVERYONE was not rebuilding their own countries, EVERYONE didn't participate in WW2. These nations I guess your including in EVERYONE, now enjoy most of the same damn comforts any American does, you dolt.

What exactly do American's have that somehow according to you idiots, we are not entitled to?

Go ahead, what is it? Oil? McDonalds? Cars? Planes? Bombs? Lasers? A functioning military? What?

The rest of the world already has this #, so tell me? What exactly, according to you geniuses, do you expect us as a nation to give you? No, # off.

edit on 5-12-2011 by RSF77 because: (no reason given)

Oh, yawn. What a maroon.

The last time I looked at the mindless prattle of how awful we are because we have 5% of the worlds population and consumed 25% of the world's oil. At that time I broke it down to GDP per barrel of oil consumed. On that basis our efficiency on energy use was about 2 or 3 times better than India and other third world hell holes. To report consumption without corresponding production is only looking at half the equation. Sorry for most posters I really didn't want to mention math, but what one produces is as important as the what what one consumes.Reminds me of Jesses Jackson ranting how it was unfair that 80% of income went to 20% of the population while 20% of income went to 80%. For all of you that don't understand, without that 20% busting their ass and creating and producing the other 80% don't eat.

Originally posted by Furbs
Oh, yawn. What a maroon.

Hmmmm......

I'm sure the 99% would love to consume less. Oil perhaps? Well, there are certainly some alternatives...but wait...the big oil corporations suppress them, or make them incredibly expensive.
Organic foods? Nope, the FDA/WHO/Monsanto cabal has also made them less accessible, or ridiculously expensive/illegal to produce.
Of course, the wages of the 99% have increased commensurate with the wealth of the 1%, right? Not a bit of it.
The gap has widened.
Go and Google the average vacation time mandated for each of the 'civilised' countries (and otherwise). I'll wait here for you. USA = none. Compare to the average of about four weeks in the rest of the planet for-crying-out-loud. Fantastic. So the average worker, with no mandated vacation time is constantly barraged with consumerism. No vacation, so you might as well have a good tv/car/kitchen/bed/leisure suit...
Or they can only afford Wal-Mart Chinese import crud. That makes the Walton family happy. The Chinese are happy ('different sort of communists' apparently. Woe betide anyone caught smoking Cuban cigars! Well, unless they are rich, in which case they get a 'get out of jail free card!'). And the gov't are happy because they've made the Chinese happy, and the Walton family happy.

OP: Posting this kind of thing when you are not one of the 1% - and will never be one (they've taken steps to control that, by the way) is just pandering to them. It took guts for the OWS crowd to do what they did. They didn't do it for a lark. They are genuinely concerned. They have their reasons. You can't dismiss them because they are suffering. Unless you can empathize with them, you will never understand them. So posting dismissive threads like these merely shows that you've bought the right wing agenda hook line and sinker without looking to the future and seeing what they see. Good luck to you. I mean that earnestly. I hope times are good for you. I hope you never find yourself in the position of having to complain. I hope you'll never need to protest against what you find unfair. Let them eat cake, eh?

Originally posted by RSF77
You got one big thing wrong OP. American's aren't "falsely entitled" to anything they have, this country, everything in it and everything it is has been EARNED asshole.

Actually you stole most of it, your still stealing things such as oil to this day.

You might not have black slaves within the country any more but sweatshops are more prevalent than ever. People all around the world slave away in abominable conditions for a pittance to give you what you have. The whole world hates you for a good reason.

Originally posted by polarwarrior

Originally posted by RSF77
You got one big thing wrong OP. American's aren't "falsely entitled" to anything they have, this country, everything in it and everything it is has been EARNED asshole.

Actually you stole most of it, your still stealing things such as oil to this day.

You might not have black slaves within the country any more but sweatshops are more prevalent than ever. People all around the world slave away in abominable conditions for a pittance to give you what you have. The whole world hates you for a good reason.

And somehow this is America's fault? Not the people who still capture and enslave others.

How is it America's fault that some places don't have as much freedom and order and allows things like this to happen? If the people (or gov) of America had our military try to go into these countries and do something about it, we'd be labeled terrorists, an evil empire, etc etc by the same trolls. Your saying because an organization in a sovereign nation produces its goods a certain way, it's our fault?

No, the majority of American's would much rather make our own #.

We steal oil? That must be why Saudi Arabia and Africa has our money, because we stole it with our money. Not to mention Canada (oh yea they have cars there too) and all the other countries we buy oil from, including internally in our own country.

If you drive a car 20 miles a week you drive more than I do, so I don't want to hear it about all my "privileges" of having a #ing century old piece of technology. You know there are other energy sources other than oil right? You know there is oil in EVERY damn nation on Earth right?

You can only get so far jumping on the America hater bandwagon blindly, this is it for you I guess. Your argument is you steal and you used to have slaves, okay then. What if a child crafts a birdhouse, I buy it and the father of the child pockets the money, somehow that makes me a thief?