Iran moves from "Destroy Israel!" to "Destroy all the Jews!"

And c'mon, it is not like Muslims don't have ENOUGH land... right?...

Ignorant argument. The Middle East is a hugely diverse range of peoples, whether or not they follow the same faith really is irrelevant. In your eyes you think that Moroccans are the same is Iraqis, that Egyptians are the same as Turks.

And if you insist on using that argument I'm going to counter it with

"And c'mon, it is not like Jews don't have ENOUGH money and power... right?..."

I wouldn't suggest making it about religion, seeing as how the Muslims still believe in God and most 'Jews' don't.

Originally posted by IsraeliGuy
Jewish community in Iran is almost entirely composed out of Neturei Karta occultists (Who?), which is no surprising as it serves both ways for the Iranian government: Not only they get to say "hey, 25k Jews live peacefully in Iran!", they can also credit their own Jewish citizens for being absolutely anti Israel.

Jewish population in Iran was bigger than 100,000 before 1970. Saying it's 25,000 now is supposed to show how tolerant the Iranians are? Don't make me laugh.
The other 75% and more of the Jewish population that somehow vanished from Iran had most probably nothing to do with Neturei Karta and was unwelcome.

You wanna talk about tolerance?
Try taking numbers on Israel. Arabs Israeli territories before 1970, and now. Muslim Sudanese refugees before 1970 (0?) and now. Then say something about being tolerant.

Those anti-Zionist orthodox Jews you're trying to demonize in your source are actually good people. Your posts are so riddled with misinformation I don't even know where to begin.

Leave it up to Israel apologists to try and discredit anything that contradicts their beliefs/propaganda.

Iranians don't wish death to America, UK, Jews. They just want to be left alone. The Zionists and Americans have been screwing with them for decades. Today's events were predicted a long time ago by anyone with half a brain. The lead up has been more than obvious.

Ooga! Booga! Iranian bogey man gonna get ya

You want to talk about tolerance?

Israel Scraps TV Ads Aimed at Emigrants After Fury From US Jews

Israel is a racist apartheid regime who profits on spreading lies to support it's Zionist agenda, demonizing Iran is part of that plan.

They don't just discriminate against non Jews in Israel. They also discriminate against what they consider to be inferior Jews.





Perhaps you should look at the vile Zionists before you attempt to label every other nation full of brown people as Jew hating cavemen.

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by nusnus

 

THE QUR'AN SAYS THAT ALLAH GAVE THE LAND OF ISRAEL TO THE JEWS AND WILL RESTORE THEM TO IT AT THE END OF DAYS

www.templemount.org...

If this is the case, why are Muslims pushing so hard to return land to the Palestinians?

I think you are confusing Moses and the ancient Jews with the modern day Askanazis who have over run Palestine.

Please do not cite zionist websites as evidence. www.templemount.org is a zionist settler website, Depka is a mossad operation... you get the gist, no more zionist propaganda sites - m'kay.

Originally posted by Helixer

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by nusnus

 

THE QUR'AN SAYS THAT ALLAH GAVE THE LAND OF ISRAEL TO THE JEWS AND WILL RESTORE THEM TO IT AT THE END OF DAYS

www.templemount.org...

If this is the case, why are Muslims pushing so hard to return land to the Palestinians?

I think you are confusing Moses and the ancient Jews with the modern day Askanazis who have over run Palestine.

Please do not cite zionist websites as evidence. www.templemount.org is a zionist settler website, Depka is a mossad operation... you get the gist, no more zionist propaganda sites - m'kay.

Sorry, but if you took the time to read the link, it was written by an Imam.

Sorry, but if you took the time to read the link, it was written by an Imam.

It's an interpretation of a Muslim living in the west.

Hardly the word of God, now is it?

What the vast majority of Muslims believe is that God will return Israel to the Muslims at the end of days. They also believe it's very soon. A reward for their continued belief in God.

If you took a closer look into the Egyptian protests you would realise they are shouting out to the Israelis that judgement day is coming. Take as literally as you like.

Originally posted by Babbleman

Sorry, but if you took the time to read the link, it was written by an Imam.

It's an interpretation of a Muslim living in the west.

So, this discounts the Imam's interpretation? "Palazzi holds a Ph.D. in Islamic Sciences"

If you took a closer look into the Egyptian protests you would realise they are shouting out to the Israelis that judgement day is coming. Take as literally as you like.

I take it literally. I think most Muslims are misinterpreting the Qur'an.

"Egyptian Islamists put sharia law on agenda after election gains. Muslim Brotherhood and radical Salafists appear to take majority of seats in first round of Egypt's parliamentary elections."

....and I think the extremists are going to try and take over the Middle East.

www.guardian.co.uk...

This is why we see Iran always praising Egypt, Tunisia and Libya as those who are really following the "Islamic Awakening" to their liking. They want all of them to turn this route. Extreme.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
Those anti-Zionist orthodox Jews you're trying to demonize in your source are actually good people. Your posts are so riddled with misinformation I don't even know where to begin.

Being anti-Zionist is just one quality of them. They are called Neturei Karta and are against any Jewish person living in Israel until the coming of the Messiah.

Believe me you are supporting them for the wrong reasons. These folks are not anything better than the lunatic westboro church.
And yet.. this still does not change the fact that the Jewish population in Iran has been larger and was decreased dramatically with time, as opposed to the Arab population in Israel that only grew with time.

Well, if I'm so wrong and you don't even know where to begin with, you are more than welcome to counter my facts with your own if there are so many fallacies in them, instead of whining I'm wrong and doing nothing about it.

Leave it up to Israel apologists to try and discredit anything that contradicts their beliefs/propaganda.

Leave it up to Muslim apologists to try and discredit anything that contradicts their beliefs/propaganda.
...

Iranians don't wish death to America, UK, Jews. They just want to be left alone. The Zionists and Americans have been screwing with them for decades. Today's events were predicted a long time ago by anyone with half a brain. The lead up has been more than obvious.

The Iranians you refer to - the citizens, will be left alone. The Iranians that do wish death to America, UK, Israel - the government - will not be left alone to develop nuclear weapons. Like it or not, that's how things are.

You want to talk about tolerance?

Israel Scraps TV Ads Aimed at Emigrants After Fury From US Jews

How does this have anything to do with tolerance? Or the tolerance we're discussing?
Someone was talking about 25K Jews in Iran, I showed it's not such a big deal, now you come up with these ads. Seriously you're better off stating the truth, that anything that will be said to support Israeli position will be met with nonsense on your behalf for the sake of arguing.

Israel is a racist apartheid regime who profits on spreading lies to support it's Zionist agenda, demonizing Iran is part of that plan.

More BS spreading right after speaking of spreading propaganda and hatred, and right before saying we are demonizing Iran. Way to go failing so much.

They don't just discriminate against non Jews in Israel. They also discriminate against what they consider to be inferior Jews.

There you go about these ads again. They were a terrible move by a small section of the government, hence they were removed and the responsible people were scolded at.

Where have the Iranian, or any Muslim country at all, recently admitted mistake or took any of their decisions back? When have they considered public opinions at all? Yeah.

Perhaps you should look at the vile Zionists before you attempt to label every other nation full of brown people as Jew hating cavemen.

Perhaps you should look at the Iranian theocratic government before you attempt to label everything Israel does as a Zionist plot to take over the world while picturing all Jews to be greedy bankers with M16.


See, your idiotic generalization works both ways. Needless to say, I have never generalized anyone and was only speaking of governments or governing regimes, where as you are speaking of every Zionist person as a whole entity.

I am a Zionist, and my agenda is living in Israel as the home of the Jewish people. Which is what I am doing today.
Nothing more, nothing less. I don't wish the killing of any Arab person that does not threaten our existence, and I don't regret the killing of anyone who does.

So, this discounts the Imam's interpretation? "Palazzi holds a Ph.D. in Islamic Sciences"

No, it should be taken into account.

I take it literally. I think most Muslims are misinterpreting the Qur'an.

"Egyptian Islamists put sharia law on agenda after election gains. Muslim Brotherhood and radical Salafists appear to take majority of seats in first round of Egypt's parliamentary elections."

....and I think the extremists are going to try and take over the Middle East.

www.guardian.co.uk...

This is why we see Iran always praising Egypt, Tunisia and Libya as those who are really following the "Islamic Awakening" to their liking. They want all of them to turn this route. Extreme.

So there's an Islamic awakening going on across the middle east and you think it's Muslims misinterpreting the Qu'ran? You say you take it literally, but they shouldn't?

Also 'Extreme' is like 'terrorism' it's merely a label and an emotional one at that.

Originally posted by Babbleman

So, this discounts the Imam's interpretation? "Palazzi holds a Ph.D. in Islamic Sciences"

No, it should be taken into account.

I take it literally. I think most Muslims are misinterpreting the Qur'an.

"Egyptian Islamists put sharia law on agenda after election gains. Muslim Brotherhood and radical Salafists appear to take majority of seats in first round of Egypt's parliamentary elections."

....and I think the extremists are going to try and take over the Middle East.

www.guardian.co.uk...

This is why we see Iran always praising Egypt, Tunisia and Libya as those who are really following the "Islamic Awakening" to their liking. They want all of them to turn this route. Extreme.

So there's an Islamic awakening going on across the middle east and you think it's Muslims misinterpreting the Qu'ran? You say you take it literally, but they shouldn't?

Also 'Extreme' is like 'terrorism' it's merely a label and an emotional one at that.

Iran is always referring to what's going on in the Middle East as an "Islamic Awakening". I think Iran is trying to downplay their definition of it, yet their definition is "extreme". Like I said, this is why they're always praising Egypt, Tunisia and Libya. They are supporting them into turning this awakening into their "extreme" way of thought. Yes, "extreme" is like "terrorism" and that is what Iran is quietly trying to promote throughout the Middle East. Ahmadinejad has already said more than enough on his opinion that the entire country of Israel should be moved to Europe and out of the Middle East.

I am a Zionist, and my agenda is living in Israel as the home of the Jewish people.

Who says it's the home of the Jewish people?

I'd say it's whoever is currently living in Israel has claim to say it's their home. And a sizable amount of your population does wish not to be led by Jews.

Btw your liebenshraum mentality, and your race ideology (not to mention nationalism aside, your social tendancies) are very similar to a certain 1940's fascist regime.

Originally posted by Babbleman

I am a Zionist, and my agenda is living in Israel as the home of the Jewish people.

Who says it's the home of the Jewish people?

I'd say it's whoever is currently living in Israel has claim to say it's their home. And a sizable amount of your population does wish not to be led by Jews.

Btw your liebenshraum mentality, and your race ideology (not to mention nationalism aside, your social tendancies) are very similar to a certain 1940's fascist regime.

Yeah, don't take my words out of context.
I mean it's the home of the Jewish people just like it's the home of the Arab community currently living in it. Nothing more - nothing less. I have no problems with the Israeli Arab population that is currently almost 17% of the general population. They are citizens just like I am.

However, this is still the home of the Jewish people on the face of this planet. This country was given independence under the UN agreement and the government is Israeli. To put things in perspective - I hope things stay the same they are today.
I would like it even more if the Palestinians gain independence and would have a state of their own in Gaza and the West bank, with proper physical borders along with demographic ones.

Comparing what I say with the fascist 40's regime is stupid.

Originally posted by IsraeliGuy

Yeah, don't take my words out of context.

It was a statement. It was in no context.

To put things in perspective - I hope things stay the same they are today.
I would like it even more if the Palestinians gain independence and would have a state of their own in Gaza and the West bank, with proper physical borders along with demographic ones.

I appreciate you saying this, however I don't personally believe you, but that's just me.

Comparing what I say with the fascist 40's regime is stupid.

And that is the most typical Jewish response ever and the reason I have grown tired with majority of you. Every single time you cannot retort a statement you patronise, this is a very irritating trait of the Jews.

Nevertheless you have stated that you are happy for the Palestinians to have their own independance so essentially we are in agreement. As far as I'm concerned a Palestine state is the only peaceful solution.

However I doubt it will happen.

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by Danbones

 

What is the difference between this Iran movie, and the Nazi propganda flick "The eternal Jew" made in 1940???


The SAME Material appears in both movies.. The Orthodox Jew is attacked. His RELIGION is attacked. This is far beyond mere political hatred, of Israel, or the idea that Jewish bankers control things... The idea is set that the very foundation of the Jew - his religion - is subversive, and colludes against humanity. This is pure and utter filth, lies, and garbage, that is already responsible for a holocaust. Not to mention the innumerable pogroms and massacres in Christian Europe and Muslim North Africa/Middle Eas

edit on 3-12-2011 by dontreally because: (no reason given)

I'm really really frustrated whith endlessly trying to inform others on this.

There is a tremendous amount of information on Jews and the Holocaust with pretty definitive proofs that no one ever seems to come across. Why do so few stumble across Hitler’s strong Jewish associations, Jewish Nazis, or photos of the black or oriental Nazis? Why has no one ever listened to former Zionist Benjamin Freedman's speech, read about Jack Bernstein’s experience in Israel, Adolph Hitler's Jewish family doctor, or seen David Cole's "The Truth Behind The Gates of Auschwitz". I have no doubt that many Jews were murdered but the very clear evidence is that the Holocaust was primarily a systematic extermination of White Gentiles not Jews. I have a 1958 Winston dictionary with 3 different publishings since the Holocaust yet there is no mention of Jews or WWII for “holocaust”; that association must have come during the sixties or later. I DO NOT KNOW what the definitive story is but I do know that the one most Americans hold in their minds is highly skewed with many falsehoods. Keep in mind much of this information has actually come from Jewish whistle blowers themselves, of whom we should have a great deal of gratitude for. No one other than a Jew would have had much credibility in that area up until recently. By the way, I have non-biological family members who are Jewish, so I in no way believe that this is an actual “Jewish conspiracy” per se. I don’t have time now to search for links and to post photos, especially since the topic will never cease coming up. Here is a little bit:

"Hitler founded Israel - 1933 The Transfer Agreement zionists & nazis (aka The Haavara Agreement)"



The original plaque placed at the concentration camp at Auschwitz (Oswiecim), Poland commemorating the deaths of Four Million Jews out of Six Million total was later replaced in 1991 by a plaque honoring 1.5 million. Apparently gassing 4 million people in the time alloted and in an area not much bigger than my living room wasn’t rationally plausible to the Polish government. The official story was that the engraver made a mistake of 2.5 million people (I have photos of both versions). The Soviets seized Auschwitz' death records when they liberated the camp in 1945. Those records which were released in 1989-90 under the glasnost period by Gorbachev, show that during three years from 1941-43, the death toll was 69,000 people died there. In addition, many were infirm and were there to receive medical treatment, which would make sense, since Auschwitz-Birkenau was listed on all German camp lists as a "hospital camp".

National Sozialist = NAZI
(White) Jews of central and eastern Europe = ASHKENAZI
Hebrew word for prince or “elevated one” = NASI
Nationalists plus Zionists = NAZI


Odd coincidence- Star of David= 6 triangles in the star, 6 points in the star, 6 lines make up the star

In 1933 Zionist create a transfer agreement with Hitler to forcibly return Jews to Palestine. The sixteenth-century Zionist hero, Joseph Nasi, Duke of Naxos also attempted to establish Jews in Palestine by backing a leader whom would persecute them (biography on Joseph Nasi published by Jewish Publication Society). Was Hitler tricked, was he part of a Zionist scheme, or is there an entirely different story of which we know nothing about?

Iranian Military has just shot down a US drone.

www.msnbc.msn.com...
presstv.com...

I'd have started a new thread but my post count is too low, perhaps one of you guys would like too.

Originally posted by Babbleman
Iranian Military has just shot down a US drone.

www.msnbc.msn.com...
presstv.com...

I'd have started a new thread but my post count is too low, perhaps one of you guys would like too.

Why is this worth starting a new thread? A drone gathering information? Did we not think that Iran's movements were going to be closely watched?

I'm sure this has been going on for some time. We've been trying to gather information on their nuclear plants for years. Now, if you want to say that we're only gathering information in order to later strike the nuclear plant, fine, but I think that thought and that plan has been considered for years too.

This is not news until we hear that it's a drone carrying a weapon.

Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by Babbleman
Iranian Military has just shot down a US drone.

www.msnbc.msn.com...
presstv.com...

I'd have started a new thread but my post count is too low, perhaps one of you guys would like too.

Why is this worth starting a new thread? A drone gathering information? Did we not think that Iran's movements were going to be closely watched?

I'm sure this has been going on for some time. We've been trying to gather information on their nuclear plants for years. Now, if you want to say that we're only gathering information in order to later strike the nuclear plant, fine, but I think that thought and that plan has been considered for years too. This is not news until we hear that it's a drone carrying a weapon.

edit on 4-12-2011 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)

It's hit all the mainstream media. Besides it was only a suggestion.

There is a thread now anyway.

Originally posted by Babbleman

Sorry, but if you took the time to read the link, it was written by an Imam.

It's an interpretation of a Muslim living in the west.

Babbleman, Templemount.org is a zionist propaganda outlet so even the claim that an imam wrote the article is questionable.

Merely claiming that some unknown imam wrote something does not add credibility simply because you make the claim.

Nevertheless, the Jews of Moses' time are not the same people as modern day Jews who are mainly converts. Schlomo Sands, a credible academic from Israel, spills the beans on zionist Israel. Israelis are converts or decendents of converts.

The irony is that it is the Palestinians are in fact the decendents of Moses and anceint Hebrews.

Originally posted by Helixer

Originally posted by Babbleman

Sorry, but if you took the time to read the link, it was written by an Imam.

It's an interpretation of a Muslim living in the west.

Babbleman, Templemount.org is a zionist propaganda outlet so even the claim that an imam wrote the article is questionable.

Merely claiming that some unknown imam wrote something does not add credibility simply because you make the claim.

Nevertheless, the Jews of Moses' time are not the same people as modern day Jews who are mainly converts. Schlomo Sands, a credible academic from Israel, spills the beans on zionist Israel. Israelis are converts or decendents of converts.

The irony is that it is the Palestinians are in fact the decendents of Moses and anceint Hebrews.

Then we might as well call them all by their original name, Israelites. Which I'm sure is made up of a conglomeration of both.

Originally posted by Helixer

Originally posted by Babbleman

Sorry, but if you took the time to read the link, it was written by an Imam.

It's an interpretation of a Muslim living in the west.

Nevertheless, the Jews of Moses' time are not the same people as modern day Jews who are mainly converts. Schlomo Sands, a credible academic from Israel, spills the beans on zionist Israel. Israelis are converts or decendents of converts.

The irony is that it is the Palestinians are in fact the decendents of Moses and anceint Hebrews.

You can the irony too? I assume you are a muslim like myself.

The story of Moses and Pharoah is still very appropriate...

Originally posted by Babbleman

The story of Moses and Pharoah is still very appropriate...

Appropriate to what?