Iran moves from "Destroy Israel!" to "Destroy all the Jews!"

reply to post by dilly1

Now back to the islam. Remember islam is somewhat 622 years younger than christianity. How was the behavior of christianity during 13th and 14th century.? Not to well. But with time Christians changed and so will Islam. With time. In addition islam became famous overnight. No other religion expanded as quickly as islamic faith. They were extremely educated and their technology was more advanced than any other european. BUT There advancements was there doom. They grew too quickly. Basically it went too there heads. And fighting the franks and Mongols at the same time took a major toll and they never recovered. To put in perspective islam's last hero was Saladin. He died in the 12th century.

Furthermore, the middle eastern mentality or behavior(been happening before way islam) is Extremely Aggressive and at the same time Extremely Insecure. And this mainly was the attitude in Arabia. Islam was just the flying carpet that would spread this behavior.


So its not that islam is evil; take away islam and create a new religion in Arabia and you would end up with something similar. Arabs love tradition, they hate change and Hellenistic people hate tradition and love to change as frequent has possible.

If you didn't know what's Hellenistic people ,they are you and I. Europeans.

Islam without Imam will be just a failure , but it is not and won't be.

reply to post by seabag


If Iran wanted to kill at Jews. I am sure they would start with the Jews in that live in Iran..

Proganda bud...

Originally posted by dilly1

Originally posted by hmdphantom

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by dilly1

 

In all honesty, trying to point out who's really Jewish and who isn't is pointless.

Ahmadinejad's heritage is Jewish too, but his family converted to Islam in the 1950's.

1. Where is your proof ?

2. Suppose you're right ( even with no proof ) , he is a converted . Is it bad to convert to Islam from Jew ?

What is the point ?

Please answer both questions .

Its not bad and there is no point,,,, people convert for thousands of reason. Muslims and christians can inter marry without conversion as requirement. But inject Jewry into the scenario and rules are created. The goyim ALWAYS has to convert if he or she wants to marry a jew.

Now that is bad.

Really? You know this for a fact? Funny, I know many Jews who have married non Jews without having their partners convert! Maybe ultra-religious Jews or in the past, when there was more pressure in Jewish society but not today. Didn't Catholics or Muslims require people to convert when marrying one of their own???? Funny, how you just single out Jews!

My Uncle was COE before he married my Aunt, he converted to Judiasm because he wanted too, not because anyone forced him, he was more religious than most in my family (we're not religious). He loved my Aunt dearly, should he be condemed for changing his religion?

I am Jewish, I married a Catholic, my first girlfriend (Jewish) married a COE Christian, another Jewish friend moved to the US and married an Evangalst, I have had Muslim, Christian and Buddhist girlfriends over the years. Things are not as you say, just because you say so!

Not much religious tolerance when it comes to Jews on ATS is there?

reply to post by dilly1

To understand the Islamic behavior towards the jews one must read the true history of the jews. The true history of the jews is basically hidden from mainstream history(purposely). The jews basically have three major phases where hatred towards them originates. I'll give you the short-short version.... The first phase is the jews during the Egyptian era. They weren't called jews yet, they were called Hycsos and they were war-like people that worshiped a war-like god. They were natural masters in military and politics. They consumed egypt and attempted to steel Egypt royal secrets, they didn't succeed(so it says) so they were forced out of egypt(exodus) and ended up back in palestine.

I have read similar theories.

One theory suggests that the "Hycsos" were Merchant/Business Elite that were part of the worldwide Elite that actually controlled many economies in the known world, including Egypt.

The same theory outlines that the "move" into Palestine was an economic expansion, not an "exodus" or "expulsion", as was the initial "move" into Egypt.

This scenario has happened many times.

History as we know it, is tainted.

The true stories may have been in the Library of Alexandria .... now in the possession of the Vatican through Roman conquests.

The "hatred" towards the general Merchant/Business Elite today is in the form of "hatred" and resentment towards the same class (corporations/banks).

The "Big 3" Abrahamic religions have produced profits and wealth for the Merchant class by creating rivalries and resulting in this:

Christians killing Jews.
Jews killing Christians.

Muslims killing Jews.
Jews killing Muslims.

Christians killing Muslims.
Muslims killing Christians.

All 3 killing people of "outside" religions and vis-versa.

The Merchant class profits from every scenario every time.

WW1 and WW2 are examples.

reply to post by hmdphantom

Iran was negotiating for years and this is the timeline. The ones who are bringing war on Iranian people are Iranian people old enemy , the MKO.

So after so many years of negotiation it remains more important to Iran’s leaders to acquire nuclear weapons than to drop their nuclear program and ease sanctions? That’s basically what you’ve said here and that is the point I've made in many of my posts!

Please , search MKO on ATS and find for yourself. Then you can see how every single Iranian know them as hisher old enemy. It is clear that they have been helped by Mossad. So , It is not Iranian people bringing war on Iranian people. The whole pieces of articles you provided me with is just a piece of propaganda to bring more sanctions on Iran.

As you can see , they are British government NEWS agencies ending domain in .uk.co.

UK company is just spreading lies and those students moved to occupy UK embassy knew it.

I’ve already posted that the Mossad and the US are engaged in covert action in Iran…everyone knows this. They’re trying to remove Iran’s nuclear capability and the threat to the region because Iran's leaders refuse to do so voluntarily.

You like to defend Iran and try to shrug off Iran’s responsibility for what’s going on. Iran’s leaders are willing to put their people through isolation and poverty for the pursuit of nuclear weapons. That’s fanatical in my book!

If they would drop the pursuit of nukes the sanctions would not only go away, Iran’s trade with the rest of the world would grow rapidly which would bring prosperity to the Iranian people. Iran’s leaders are unwilling to do this.

Why won't they stop? How do you justify this?

Originally posted by seabag


Why won't they stop? How do you justify this?

I'm guessing they are following Israel's example.

Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

Originally posted by bigyin

Originally posted by seabag


Why won't they stop? How do you justify this?

I'm guessing they are following Israel's example.

Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

That's lame! Israel has never threatened the existence of Iran or anybody else! Israel has never threatened to wipe Iran off the face of the earth.

You cannot arm a madman without the expectation that someone will get hurt.

Iran has made continuous threats to destroy Israel. Would you like to be responsible for giving Iran the means to do so?

Originally posted by seabag

Originally posted by bigyin

Originally posted by seabag


Why won't they stop? How do you justify this?

I'm guessing they are following Israel's example.

Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

That's lame! Israel has never threatened the existence of Iran or anybody else! Israel has never threatened to wipe Iran off the face of the earth.

You cannot arm a madman without the expectation that someone will get hurt.

Iran has made continuous threats to destroy Israel. Would you like to be responsible for giving Iran the means to do so?

The only threats I see in the ME come from Israel.

They threaten West Bank, Gaza, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Turkey plus they threaten any other country that does not get down and suck them off.

You need to lose the rose tinted spectacles.

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This hate speech consisting of dozens of unrelated events from across the world over decades.

Your objective is to demonise Muslims irrespective of where they come from or what period of history they lived.

reply to post by The time lord


Most hate speech. You continue to connect completely unconnected matters in order to attack Muslims.

reply to post by seabag


Israel has been very successful in over running Palestine and ethnic cleansing the indeginous population. You also overlook the attempted Israeli invasion of the Lebanon to steal the Lintani river and farm land. I think Israel called that land grab attempt a "300 mile buffer zone".

Furtunately the Lebanese defended their country successfully.

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a few more details;

The Hamidian massacres (Armenian: Համիդյան ջարդեր), also referred to as the Armenian Massacres of 1894–1896, refers to the massacring of Armenians by the Ottoman Empire, with estimates of the dead ranging from anywhere between 80,000 to 300,000,[1] and at least 50,000 orphans as a result.[2] The massacres are named after Sultan Abdul Hamid II, whose efforts to reinforce the territorial integrity of the embattled Ottoman Empire reasserted Pan-Islamism as a state ideology

Hamidian massacres.

The Assyrian Genocide (also known as Sayfo or Seyfo, Syriac: ܩܛܠܐ ܕܥܡܐ ܣܘܪܝܝܐ or ܣܝܦܐ) refers to the mass slaughter of the Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac population of the Ottoman Empire during the 1890s, the First World War, and the period of 1922-1925.[1] [2] The Assyrian population of upper Mesopotamia (the Tur Abdin, Hakkari, Van, Siirt regions of present-day southeastern Turkey and the Urmia region of northwestern Iran) was forcibly relocated and massacred by Ottoman (Turkish) and Kurdish forces between 1914 and 1920.[1] Estimates on the overall death toll have varied. Contemporary reports placed the figure at 250,000.[1] Numerous scholars and journalists have accepted that figure. Some sources lacking a detailed statistical analysis claim figures as high as 750,000.

Assyrian Genocide

The Armenian Genocide[1][2]—also known as the Armenian Holocaust, the Armenian Massacres and, by Armenians, as the Great Crime[3]—refers to the deliberate and systematic destruction of the Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire during and just after World War I.[4] It was implemented through wholesale massacres and deportations, with the deportations consisting of forced marches under conditions designed to lead to the death of the deportees. The total number of resulting Armenian deaths is generally held to have been between 1 million and 1.5 million.[5][6][7][8][9] Other ethnic groups were similarly attacked by the Ottoman Empire during this period, including Assyrians and Greeks, and some scholars consider those events to be part of the same policy of extermination.

Armenian Genocide


google search;

Ottoman Massacres

Originally posted by Helixer
reply to post by The time lord

 

Most hate speech. You continue to connect completely unconnected matters in order to attack Muslims.

Not really I just think there are cultural problems related with Muslims but I don't think they are all bad, I don't go out of my way beyond the computer and start saying bad things like in some protest it does not bother me that much. I think if Muslims analysed their problems they might feel better as a people and see past the storm, not saying the free people in democracy are happy in their freedoms as it too endangers themselves, its one extreme to another.

I think Christianity is the best of both worlds and a better life in which society can grow in safety and less consequences but I have tried telling that to atheists and I also get rejected its part of the parcel here.

I am not going go around saying I love you all, I am pointing out the problems and patterns in which things repeat them selves.

I won't be doing the demonising because I bet in the next 10 years there will be on going related Islamic wars, amoungst fellow Muslims countries in Africa or Mid East.

It is like the UN trying to help Egypt become free, if they help they are condemed if they don't they are watching bloodshed happen, now that they are free and lead to do what they want as they should be the Muslim Brother Hood might take over, hope it works out well and they live in peace, hopefully they won't demonise the Coptics there or any other group and feel welcomed in their new government, beyond that if people can not even advise, do the maths to try and find the problems then maybe leave them to it and I prefer if America and Europe just left the Islamic world with their dicators to sort it out them selves.

WASHINGTON—The Obama administration says it has full confidence in the U.S. ambassador to Belgium, despite comments he made about anti-Semitism that prompted angry responses from Jewish groups and Republicans.


Howard Gutman, who is Jewish and whose father survived the Holocaust, told a European Jewish gathering last week that some hatred of Jews reflected hostility toward Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. He said it was different from traditional anti-Semitism.

tundratabloids.com...

here we go again telling the truth is anti semitism.....and of couse to make it anti semitism he is being misquoted all over the net...

boring

reply to post by The time lord


70 million christains killed themselves in ww2 which we know was funded on both sides by the central bankers
fact is right there by numbers totally blows your post out'''
not to mention aprox 4o million dead christians in stalinist zionist run pogroms in russia

reply to post by bigyin


As usual, you only see what you want to see!

I suggest you open your eyes

Perhaps you could try looking at things with your eyes open, you may see two sides, not just one, go on take a chance

reply to post by Hongkongphooey


lets see
where in your post was anything factual that supports your position?
re Yin's posts

I know but we don't want on going wars spewing into another that is why many are stopped before hand.

I did not think Starlin was a Christian in his authority, he was a mad dicator and I will be making a thread about how Athiest dictators have killed more people than all the religions put togther because they think an Athiest dicated world will work.

70 million Christians died to stop the world from being taking over by the potential anti-Christ who marked the Jews hands before they were put to death and his aim for a master human race which resembles the Nephilim's return to earth. You are lucky not to be living under his spell today, we stopped the coming of the end and now it will respawn else where because the devil has not yet been taken to hell, there was no waste in what the 70Million died for because today freedom and the world would have be a lot less fun.
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As for Mahmoud Ahmajinedad they say he is now a Jew maybe he might be convinced of this, he expects the 12 Imam to arrive, maybe he thinks he he is that Imam we don't know, will he be standing at the third final temple as told in prophecy, just a thought, the powers are in his hands now.