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Originally posted by GR1ill3d
So a baby born tomorrow has sin, yet has done nothing to make his or her own sin. The paradox you present with this post is to say the least, borderline retarded.
So in your post we are pretty much born with sin, doesn't matter who or what you are, you have it. This child has done nothing to make it. Yet somehow this "God" declares he was born with it. How exactly would "Your version of your god" declare an innocent person sinful, yet they have done nothing according to your laws to make sin for themselves?
Originally posted by Lionhearte
God doesn't send anyone to hell.
He doesn't say, 'worship me or I'll make you suffer for eternity'; He says you're ALREADY headed for damnation because of your Sin, and if you want salvation, believe in Him. It's that simple.
Remember the Thief on the cross, all he did was say "Remember me, Lord", and Jesus responded by saying "Today you will be with me in paradise".
The Thief did not live a Righteous or Godly life, all he did was accept Jesus, and believed that he was who said he was.
Originally posted by mileysubet
You are correct, the failures we wittness are the failures of humans, this offers no evidence of of the god you speak of.
Originally posted by GR1ill3d
Wow, strawman argument much? I wasn't surprised at it, since most people who are really into the bible pull that one out of the hat. If you can't see the point I was making then you need to do some research on "Taking responsibility for your OWN actions"
Originally posted by mileysubet
Originally posted by Lionhearte
God doesn't send anyone to hell.
He doesn't say, 'worship me or I'll make you suffer for eternity'; He says you're ALREADY headed for damnation because of your Sin, and if you want salvation, believe in Him. It's that simple.
Remember the Thief on the cross, all he did was say "Remember me, Lord", and Jesus responded by saying "Today you will be with me in paradise".
The Thief did not live a Righteous or Godly life, all he did was accept Jesus, and believed that he was who said he was.
And yet if I choose to everything correctly, except for believing in "Him", I will be dammed to suffering in a place of damnation.
I am so happy in my knowledge that your god is a figment of of your imagination...
Originally posted by alltogethernow
That still doesn`t answer the question, would you send your children to hell for the sin or disbelief. We arn`t talking about us knowing gods wisdom but yours.
Originally posted by Lionhearte
Originally posted by alltogethernow
That still doesn`t answer the question, would you send your children to hell for the sin or disbelief. We arn`t talking about us knowing gods wisdom but yours.
I understand that, but you're missing the point. If I were to answer yes or no, it would make the implication that God is either doing something wrong, or I am; because you're implying that God IS sending people to Hell (after all, why would you ask if we would do the same, otherwise?).
Which He isn't.
Originally posted by Lionhearte
Originally posted by GR1ill3d
So a baby born tomorrow has sin, yet has done nothing to make his or her own sin. The paradox you present with this post is to say the least, borderline retarded.
So in your post we are pretty much born with sin, doesn't matter who or what you are, you have it. This child has done nothing to make it. Yet somehow this "God" declares he was born with it. How exactly would "Your version of your god" declare an innocent person sinful, yet they have done nothing according to your laws to make sin for themselves?
Because they are born into a sinful world, and this world has been sinful since Adam and Eve first let it into this world. Sin is basically engraved in our very nature, so regardless if they have committed a sin, they are still considered "sinners". Besides, children aren't at the age of accountability. They are not aware of their sins, but they still sin. They get a free ticket to Heaven because they're not accountable yet.
I'll ask you this, are we sinners because we sin or do we sin because we're sinners?
Originally posted by mileysubet
reply to post by Lionhearte
Christains for the most part just offer excuse as to why they sin, and how they will be forgiven according to the bible, nothing new here.
Like the previouse poster stated: it is time to account for our own wrong doings.
Even without a god to guide us, it doesn't take a "rocket surgeon" to figure out that we are #ed as a culture, if we don't change our ways.
Originally posted by GR1ill3d
Wow... seriously, is that the best you can come up with? They are born into a sinful world, therefore they are sinners.. great logic buddy. Do us all a favor and uninstall your operating system.
Originally posted by mileysubet
But he is...
Originally posted by Lionhearte
Originally posted by alltogethernow
That still doesn`t answer the question, would you send your children to hell for the sin or disbelief. We arn`t talking about us knowing gods wisdom but yours.
I understand that, but you're missing the point. If I were to answer yes or no, it would make the implication that God is either doing something wrong, or I am; because you're implying that God IS sending people to Hell (after all, why would you ask if we would do the same, otherwise?).
Which He isn't.
Originally posted by GR1ill3d
reply to by Lionhearte
Same argument, different post. As I said before go uninstall you operating system. Your logic on this is so failed it would take a miracle from some god to fix it.
Originally posted by killemall
So a baby born tomorrow has sin, yet has done nothing to make his or her own sin. The paradox you present with this post is to say the least, borderline retarded.
So in your post we are pretty much born with sin, doesn't matter who or what you are, you have it. This child has done nothing to make it. Yet somehow this "God" declares he was born with it. How exactly would "Your version of your god" declare an innocent person sinful, yet they have done nothing according to your laws to make sin for themselves?
Originally posted by BeforeTheHangmansNoose
reply to post by mileysubet
God is just knowledge.
Man has the potential to learn anything they are taught, thus man has the potential to be God, thus man IS god.