Obama’s Top Advisor Advocates Communism

Originally posted by xuenchen
These new "commies" CAN do a better job !

In fact, maybe they already have.

Look at all the money that's disappeared !

Most of it dissappeared or was promised before Obama even began running for president so if that is the result of his communism then he is a time traveller to or was Bush just helping him get set up but no one wants to acknowledge that?

I do nto get how Bush can lose all our money and you can claim Obama is communist because of all that money.

reply to post by seabag


And I didn't get the memo ! Damn it !
That is pathetic. Thanks for letting me know,
They told me I was an insider on the America is going commie plan.

Originally posted by sealing
reply to post by seabag

 

And I didn't get the memo ! Damn it !
That is pathetic. Thanks for letting me know,
They told me I was an insider on the America is going commie plan.

Arent you paying attention? All liberals want the US to go commie. They just do not know it yet. Obama is going to make the US go commie because all of his supporters want him to. The only people that are privy to this information are Republicans. It just makes way too much sense.

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Actually China and Singapore are the ones I believe will be emulated by most governments in the near future. They are not communist. Most economists worth their salt refer to their command and control economies as "Authoritarian Capitalism"
www.foreignaffairs.com...
omnologos.wordpress.com...

It beats our market any day-No stupid voting, and no regard for the plebs. Things get done a lot faster.

reply to post by Algernonsmouse

You put forth the idea that there will be no method or means of exchange.

NO, i asked what method would be used. that's a far cry from what you said.

I for one and very interested in understanding why you make that assumption.

well, let's see, there's historical precedent, massive food shortages now (and getting worse), EURO is on the verge of collapse, the dollar is depreciating daily, countries are already starving all over the place ... i guess you could say ... current events formulate my opinion and force such a question.
are you even paying attention to those current events or are you just living in a bubble?

Do not tell me that I need to answer you first, I was not asked anything.

questions are not necessary to garner a response ... but, courtesy is a TWO way street.
so, now that i've entertained your curiousity ... answer the darn question already or doesn't anyone have an answer?

So, can you explain to us why you even ask that question? Why would the means of exchange no longer exist?

well, since we use currency which is failing all over the place, what will serve as a viable replacement ?????

there isn't any time in history when peoples did NOT trade, since there must be a basis to conduct trade, if currency isn't it, well, what is????

OR, are you implying that this currently failing currency system will just disappear and everyone will have EVERYTHING as needed for free??? if so, how will that work, with details please ??

Originally posted by Algernonsmouse

Originally posted by xuenchen
These new "commies" CAN do a better job !

In fact, maybe they already have.

Look at all the money that's disappeared !

Most of it dissappeared or was promised before Obama even began running for president so if that is the result of his communism then he is a time traveller to or was Bush just helping him get set up but no one wants to acknowledge that?

I do nto get how Bush can lose all our money and you can claim Obama is communist because of all that money.

The 111th Congress did a lot of damage to the majority of citizens.

Can we find anything passed that had a long term positive impact on the majority of citizens?

Acts of the 111th United States Congress


How many confirmed communists were in the Bush administration?

LObama has a few.

Did legislation passed under Bush impact the majority negatively?

High unemployment has been common under communist regimes.


Now, for the reality ... 3-2-1 ... BIG MIS-QUOTE

I never claimed Obama is a commie !!!!!!

Originally posted by xuenchen

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by seabag

 

Andy wants it to be obsolete because he wants communism. Communism failed in the USSR and why would Andy want to replace Capitalism with a completely failed Old paradigm that was responsible for many millions of deaths both directly and indirectly?

The communists have come out of the woodwork since u know who got in the WH. They all seem to think that they can do it better than the Soviets.

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edit on 4-12-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

These new "commies" CAN do a better job !

In fact, maybe they already have.

Look at all the money that's disappeared !

Many elitists and commie "theoryists" in the old S.U. got rich with "communism".

I think all these "woodworkers" are getting paid too?

They don't work for free.....like REAL commies

Obam-uhh has done nothing positive for the majority of citizens,
just the old S.U.

Obamanov was influenced by that old friend of his mother's ..... Frank Davis.

Frank ("dream daddy") Davis

I'd say this is just another case of people saying "communist" without having any working knowledge of what communism actually is.

Originally posted by Algernonsmouse

Originally posted by sealing
reply to post by seabag

 

And I didn't get the memo ! Damn it !
That is pathetic. Thanks for letting me know,
They told me I was an insider on the America is going commie plan.

Arent you paying attention? All liberals want the US to go commie. They just do not know it yet. Obama is going to make the US go commie because all of his supporters want him to. The only people that are privy to this information are Republicans. It just makes way too much sense.

Oh yah, just like Americans don't know that our Founding Fathers established a Socialist govt

Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by seabag

 

Actually China and Singapore are the ones I believe will be emulated by most governments in the near future. They are not communist. Most economists worth their salt refer to their command and control economies as "Authoritarian Capitalism"
www.foreignaffairs.com...
omnologos.wordpress.com...

It beats our market any day-No stupid voting, and no regard for the plebs. Things get done a lot faster.

Ya!!! It works SOOOOOO much better in China! Maybe if you didn’t drink the cool-aide of the MSM and liberals in America you’d know that the population in China is lives in FAR worse conditions than Americans and the number of poor is much higher. The so-called “poor” in America live like the middle class in China! If that’s the system you aspire to then by all means…please move there and leave this system alone.

This is how poor American’s live!


link

On the flip side, this is how the great communist (or Authoritarian Capitalists) live in China! Wow…sounds great. Where do I sign up?

Unless you think the equivalent of $2.00US per day will buy a lot in China then I’d say American’s are doing slightly better!

Poverty in China is often overshadowed by average annual GDP growth rates of 9% or more. According to the World Bank and UN statistics, approximately 200 million Chinese people live on less than US$1.25/day; Furthermore, 482 million people live on less than US$2/day – a figure that is greater than the populations of the US, Germany and the UK combined.

link

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From the standpoint of profits the Chinese/Singaporian system does in fact work out better. You will make higher profits in such a system and that is what the bottom line of business is-Profit. it's not the well-being of people.

Don't construe that as me saying I want to live like that because I don't, but in terms of the bottom line it works better than the American system. This is evidenced by the tons of cheap crap we buy from them everyday. If it didn't work so well we wouldn't be buying so much from them. Furthermore, because it's a command and control economy they can better manage commodities and insulate themselves from price spikes. But then again, I don't tend to be so gung-ho "AMERKIA" about everything I am unable to make analytic observations about the rest of the world.

Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by seabag

 

From the standpoint of profits the Chinese/Singaporian system does in fact work out better. You will make higher profits in such a system and that is what the bottom line of business is-Profit. it's not the well-being of people.

Don't construe that as me saying I want to live like that because I don't, but in terms of the bottom line it works better than the American system. This is evidenced by the tons of cheap crap we buy from them everyday. If it didn't work so well we wouldn't be buying so much from them. Furthermore, because it's a command and control economy they can better manage commodities and insulate themselves from price spikes. But then again, I don't tend to be so gung-ho "AMERKIA" about everything I am unable to make analytic observations about the rest of the world.

edit on 4-12-2011 by antonia because: forgot something

I had to google "Command and control economy" and it's exactly like I suspected

Web definitions Planned economy (or command economy) is an economic system in which the state directs the economy. ...

In other words, it's Communist. Centrally planned economy governed by the State, and Communist Russia has already proved that a centrally planned economy does not work. The govt simply cannot determine the market need for various product adequately. The bread lines from shortages in Russia was infamous.
Here's an alternative definition from the Oxford Dictionary of Geography

A type of communist economic system, sometimes called a centrally planned economy, where the state controls macro-economic policy and entrepreneurial activity, but allows some freedom for economic decisions about employment and consumption at the household level. In other words, there is state control of the factors of production and centralized, state planning—what to produce, how to produce it, and who to produce it for—but with some freedom for individual decisions, like which job to take. Command economies have been criticized because they tend to be badly organized, lack quality control or worker incentives, and have been responsible for severe environmental degradation. Compare with

Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by seabag

 

Actually China and Singapore are the ones I believe will be emulated by most governments in the near future. They are not communist. Most economists worth their salt refer to their command and control economies as "Authoritarian Capitalism"
www.foreignaffairs.com...
omnologos.wordpress.com...

It beats our market any day-No stupid voting, and no regard for the plebs. Things get done a lot faster.

singapore is not mainland China and according to wikipedia has a market based economy.

Today, Singapore has a highly developed market-based economy, based historically on extended entrepôt trade. Along with Hong Kong, South Korea and Taiwan, Singapore is one of the original Four Asian Tigers. The Singaporean economy is known as one of the freest,[56] most innovative,[57] most competitive,[58] most business friendly [59] and least corrupt in the world. The 2011 Index of Economic Freedom ranks Singapore as the freest economy in the world behind only Hong Kong. According to the Corruption Perceptions Index Singapore is also consistently ranked as one of the least corrupt countries in the world, along with New Zealand and the Scandinavian countries.

en.wikipedia.org...

So if it is being emulated, it certainly is not because of being "command and control". Mainland China apparently is implementing changes gradually from communist to somewhat Capitalistic, but still remains a communist country.
Ever hear of the Great Firewall of China? I think our current admin seems to be trying to emulate communist China while they are trying to convert to a more Capitalistic economy. With legislationg veering toward controls on the Internet and attempts at controlling radio, it seems Communism is still trying very hard.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Their economy is communist in name only. Almost everyone who studies economics has said this.

I never said Singapore was Mainland China. I said they are similar.

You can read some more about Singapore here: www.thelockeinstitute.org...
www.javnost-thepublic.org...

decent book www.amazon.com...

Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Their economy is communist in name only. Almost everyone who studies economics has said this.

I never said Singapore was Mainland China. I said they are similar.

You can read some more about Singapore here: www.thelockeinstitute.org...
www.javnost-thepublic.org...

decent book www.amazon.com...

Yes, you said they have a command and control economy. The definition of that is centrally planned. I am going to have to read up on authoritarian Capitalism because that sure is a new one for me.
Something is either planned by the central govt or it is based on the free market. If it attempts to use corporations and the market to prop up a centrally planned collectivist govt then it becomes fascist.

According to your source:

In particular, many of these institutions militate against individuality and individual rights and freedoms. In turn, "authoritarian capitalism" describes the operational elements of this particular development model. On one hand, authoritarian-capitalist regimes place a limited and selective set of persistent policy interventions into market activities. On the other hand, these same regimes impose heavy restrictions on political activity. Whereas, Soviet economies contrived to have an economy without prices, authoritarian capitalism presides over markets without the guarantee of individual freedoms or rights.

Which means that based on your saying you would just as soon have this model because it seems profitable, you don't mind giving up personal freedoms for it.
Soooo if you like that model, feel free to pursue it in one of those countries.

Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by seabag

 

From the standpoint of profits the Chinese/Singaporian system does in fact work out better. You will make higher profits in such a system and that is what the bottom line of business is-Profit. it's not the well-being of people.

Don't construe that as me saying I want to live like that because I don't, but in terms of the bottom line it works better than the American system. This is evidenced by the tons of cheap crap we buy from them everyday. If it didn't work so well we wouldn't be buying so much from them. Furthermore, because it's a command and control economy they can better manage commodities and insulate themselves from price spikes. But then again, I don't tend to be so gung-ho "AMERKIA" about everything I am unable to make analytic observations about the rest of the world.

edit on 4-12-2011 by antonia because: forgot something

The economy in China benefits who? The elites? The 1%? Whose side are you on? Not the side of the general population Why don't you explain to the tens of millions of people in China living on a dirt floor how damn great their system is!

And this is the system we should emulate?? I thought we were trying to stop that type of thing in America? Now we should go even further in that direction??

Man, I just don’t see your line of thinking!

Originally posted by seabag
Obama is pushing it to straight up COMMUNISM.

This is why we need to change our representatives. It was a slow republican transistion over 8 years of Bush. It's been a RUN TO THIS FINISH LINE under Obama. 4 more years of him and we'll be there!!!

OBAMA is going to be there 4 more years because people like you insist
upon regurgitating an fake diatribe of impending communism.

Where is the communism dude? Where is everything you and
Glenn Beck and the rest of the lot swore was going to happen?
Less than a year, lets see your communist list

While having some valid points, you guys lose because you operate on bullcrap and fear.

Didn't anyone anticipate that the economy and the meta numbers will get better?

Cause you guys put all your money on black and we have been hitting black for far too long
now.

Enjoy and enjoy looking like a nup when economic output normalizes

Here's two examples of commie economics.

The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомор, 'Морити голодом', literal translation Killing by hunger) was a man-made famine in the Ukrainian SSR between 1932 and 1933. During the famine, which is also known as the "terror-famine in Ukraine" and "famine-genocide in Ukraine",[1][2][3] millions of Ukrainians died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe unprecedented in the history of Ukraine.[4]

Early estimates of the death toll by scholars and government officials varied greatly; anywhere from 1.8[5] to 12 million[6] ethnic Ukrainians were said to have been killed as a result of the famine. Recent research has since narrowed the estimates to between 2.4[7] and 7.5[8] million.

Holodomor

The Great Chinese Famine (simplified Chinese: 三年大饥荒; traditional Chinese: 三年大饑荒; pinyin: Sānnián dà jīhuāng), officially referred to as the Three Years of Natural Disasters (simplified Chinese: 三年自然灾害; traditional Chinese: 三年自然災害; pinyin: Sānnián zìrán zāihài) by the People's Republic of China, was the period in the People's Republic of China between 1958 and 1961 characterized by widespread famine. Drought, poor weather conditions, and the policies of the Communist Party of China contributed to the famine, although the relative weights of the contributions are disputed.

According to government statistics, there were 15 million excess deaths in this period.[citation needed] Unofficial estimates vary, but scholars have estimated the number of famine victims to be between 20 and 43 million.

Great Chinese Famine


communism = big money for the pseudo-intellectuals people that create failure on-purpose

they say "genius" always skips a generation

Originally posted by seabag


The economy in China benefits who? The elites? The 1%?

Why ask me if you know the answer?

Whose side are you on?

I'm not taking a side right now. I'm making an analytical observation. The Chinese/Singporian system is faster and makes more profit for it's owners therefore in this context it is a better business model for profit.

And this is the system we should emulate??

I didn't say we should emulate, I said it was being emulated. This is you getting angry over a statement of fact. Simply because I say "The door is wood" does not mean I am saying all doors should be wood. I am simply making an observation on the door in question. At this time I am simply making an observation on the current economic practices of the western world.

Man, I just don’t see your line of thinking!

Because you are being emotionally reactive.

Originally posted by antonia
I'd say this is just another case of people saying "communist" without having any working knowledge of what communism actually is.

You think Antonia?

It is not like the same brigade has been shouting the same line for three years now or something...

The results of their communists are here marketing campaign, might not work as
well as their previous, the terrorists are here marketing campaign.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus



Which means that based on your saying you would just as soon have this model because it seems profitable, you don't mind giving up personal freedoms for it.
Soooo if you like that model, feel free to pursue it in one of those countries.

edit on 4-12-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

You are assigning a value judgement where there was none given. I never said I wanted to live in such a country, I said that is what is being pursued now because it is more profitable.