Authorized the indefinite suspension of habeus corpus, police state.

I didn't find this anywhere so here you go

First of all, I hope Obama does veto it, but i have my concerns.

With a vote of 60 to 38 the senate voted for the indefinite suspension of Habeus Corpus, I believe that now means America is a police state.

How things got this far, I'll never understand.
This means they can arrest whomever they want, for whatever reason they come up with, If this isn't shot down there are gonna be a lot of problems.

This is how it all started for many other countries under dictators, if anyone disagrees with the current state of things they CAN lock him up, just like that.

Here is a link with a list of the senators who voted to pass this, the senates text, the bill and more, it's all there.

wearechangetv.us...

And btw, for preppers this might be of interest:



Whaaaat? You store food? TERRORIST!

Well this is lame.


This is their way of dealing with class warfare.

This is obviously quite a crucial step for the globalists and their agenda.
Popcorn anyone?
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What I dont get is how they can rationalize this behavior as threatening.

If you're planning on committing some violent act what good will having food stores be? You cant keep it at home because that's the first place anybody will look for you if you happen to survive the act so what's the point?

You need a weeks worth of food before blowing yourself up? Before turning a shopping mall into a shooting gallery? Before crashing a plane? Before what?

If anything those without any food in the pantry should be suspect.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
If anything those without any food in the pantry should be suspect.

Surely, you don't mean sweet, little, Old Mother Hubbard? She seemed so innocent.

ETA I know nothing about how it all works in the US but who proposes these bills or whatever they are called? Is it a single person, a single political party or..something else?

This is their way of dealing with everyone that can not be fully controled, who is not brainwashed and that stands up for the rights we all have. If you can't beat them, lock'em up and accuse of terrorism? Well..that's a change isn't it?


And about the food, well, all I can come up with is that they don't want people to be prepared, they wouldn't buy the overpriced goodies to top their already filled pockets and that's just a no-no

How 'bout them guns and ammunition? The video talks about it too, they can lock up anyone.
America will raise hell against this, I hope.

Originally posted by LightSpeedDriver

ETA I know nothing about how it all works in the US but who proposes these bills or whatever they are called? Is it a single person, a single political party or..something else?

edit on 1/12/11 by LightSpeedDriver because: ETA

Ideas for bills come from many sources: constituents, the President, lobbyists, or congressional staff. Any Senator or Representative may introduce a bill. After a bill has been written or "drafted," the member introduces it by formally presenting it to the House or Senate clerk when Congress is in session. In the House, the bill is placed in the "hopper" at the desk of the Clerk; the sponsor of the bill may or may not make a special statement about the bill when it is introduced. In the Senate, the bill may be presented to the Clerk, or the Senator may make a formal statement from the Senate floor to introduce it.
Once a bill is introduced, it is given a number: H.R. _________ (for the House of Representatives) if introduced in the House and S. _________ (for the Senate) if introduced in the Senate. Bill numbers start with H.R. 1 and S. 1 at the beginning of each new Congress and continue in numerical order until the Congress ends two years later.
While a bill is the form used for most legislation, the House and the Senate can also originate resolutions. These are used for special purposes like budget resolutions or constitutional amendments. They are also numbered: for example, S. Con. Res. _________ (for Senate Concurrent Resolution) and H. J. Res. _________ (for House of Representatives Joint Resolution).

From Bill to Law

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

If anything those without any food in the pantry should be suspect.

Report all neighbors asking around for sugar, eggs, and milk.
First Post.

Control the guns, you can lead the sheep...

Control the food, and you own the sheep...

Monsanto, GMOs, this bill and more is all part of the agenda. And if you're reading this, you are already on somebody's list...

This makes me sick to my stomach. You know the bankers are behind this, because they have been exposed, and are afraid of our wrath. Our elected "representatives" do not represent us. The destruction of America, and the wholesale dismantling of our constitution, is just about complete.

This whole nightmare reminds me of the following quote, written approximately 400 years ago:

"Treason doth never prosper: What's the reason?
Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

- Sir John Harrington, 1561 - 1612

Well, isn't that just peachy? I live in a farmhouse and the nearest grocery store is about 10 miles away. Of course I keep more than a weeks worth of groceries stocked up. In fact, I generally buy groceries once a month. So now I have to drive to the store at least once a week to satisfy these bozos?

What am I supposed to do in the winter? The gravel road I live on isn't the top priority for the snow plows. In the event of a big storm, it might be at least a week before I can even get out of my driveway.

AND... coyotes are common where I live and have been known to come into the yard. Because of this, I have guns and keep ammunition readily available.

So, because I live in a relatively isolated home, have about a month's worth of food stocked up and have guns and ammunition available, I'm a terrorist?

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
What I dont get is how they can rationalize this behavior as threatening.

If you're planning on committing some violent act what good will having food stores be? You cant keep it at home because that's the first place anybody will look for you if you happen to survive the act so what's the point?

You need a weeks worth of food before blowing yourself up? Before turning a shopping mall into a shooting gallery? Before crashing a plane? Before what?

If anything those without any food in the pantry should be suspect.

Very interesting development because FEMA suggests a minimum 3 day supply of food and water without ever stating a maximum. Are we being set up?

Consider the following things when putting together your emergency food supplies:

Store at least a three-day supply of non-perishable food.

NASA is also in on the game. Note the "Coming Soon" on the left hand of the page. Pandemic Preparedness, Kids Corner, and Urban Survival in the FEDERAL resources category.
www.nasa.gov...

What about the Mormon philosophy of providing for one's family. Many Mormons keep at a least a 6 month supply of everything on hand and in constant rotation. Terrorists? I think not!!

We are getting some bizarre mixed signals from our Federal agencies nowadays.
Again from FEMA

Store a two week supply of water and food. During a pandemic, if you cannot get to a store, or if stores are out of supplies, it will be important for you to have extra supplies on hand. This can be useful in other types of emergencies, such as power outages and disasters.

www.ready.gov...

What Gives??

You know, of course, that habeus corpus has not been suspended, and that to the best of my knowledge this is the sixth thread in two or three days on this subject.

Where are the words habeus corpus even mentioned in the bill, let alone that it's suspended? This bill is being wildly misinterpreted for no other reason that I can see short of fear-mongering

Originally posted by charles1952
You know, of course, that habeus corpus has not been suspended, and that to the best of my knowledge this is the sixth thread in two or three days on this subject.

Where are the words habeus corpus even mentioned in the bill, let alone that it's suspended? This bill is being wildly misinterpreted for no other reason that I can see short of fear-mongering

That maybe so, but I'm more afraid of the police state possibly gaining more power as opposed to atsers probably over reacting. Slow and incremental steps towards tyranny. And this sure fits the bill.

reply to post by filosophia

Dear filosophia (Someone who knows filo dough? (Just a tiny joke.))

Thank you for responding, it's a pleasure.

I took a look at the bill, the key sections are in the 1031-1037 range. It says in 1031 that the powers granted under a 2001 act (I forget the name, but it wasn't the Patriot Act) are not restricted or expanded.

One of the things that has been driving me up walls in the half dozen threads discussing this is that no one has given me a clear idea of how this changes anything significantly.

No, I don't mean you. I'm just getting tired of not getting an intelligent discussion (except with one individual whose biggest fear is that the law might be vague and allow terrible injustices to occur) on those other threads.

Forgive me, I'm crabby. I think I'll heat up a cup of coffee.

With respect,
Charles1952

Upon further reading, it seems that they voted on the Udall Amendment which would have taken out the section that allows the military to scoop people up and imprison them. So the bill itself hasn't passed yet....does anybody know when they will vote on the real thing?

ETA UPDATE: Senate passed S. 1867 with a vote of 93-7

Originally posted by Evansr
With a vote of 60 to 38 the senate voted for the indefinite suspension of Habeus Corpus, I believe that now means America is a police state.

What bill are you referring to? The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 are still sitting in both Houses; though H.R. 1540 has passed in the House of Representatives. The Senate had a cloture vote on their version, S. 1867.

Ah I see now. The link goes to an article that refers to an amendment within S. 1867. From the OPs source in which they make the very false and very ignorant statement (in the context of what we are discussing) that --

60 senators betrayed you (it was 61, but Sen. Menendez changed his vote). They voted against an amendment to the Defense Authorization act, the indefinite suspension of Habeus Corpus. We are now officially a police state.

The emphasis was inserted by me to highlight the bold faced false information that the OPs sourced site is stating. That amendment isn't law yet. Not even close. I say not close because the bills have yet to pass both Houses (though the H.R. bill has passed) and have to be consolidated before they even are brought before the President. Don't you people even know how the system works?

The Amendment by the way can be found here, Amendment 1107 -- Sen. Udall

So in ATS fashion no one bothered to fact check the OP. Beautiful for a site that claims to "Deny Ignorance". How about we clear up and get our facts straight next time? The bills are sitting in their respective Houses.

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Now lets be clear, I am not saying the language is not of concern, but come on people. Slow down and educate your damn selves before you believe everything any Tom, Dick or Harry posts on this site -- sourced from another equally inept site.

ETA I know nothing about how it all works in the US but who proposes these bills or whatever they are called? Is it a single person, a single political party or..something else?

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With that question you are now smarter than most of us americans.
The deeper you dig into the subject the more your question becomes the answer.
It's a sad situation here that is rolling downhill.

reply to post by deadeyedick

I think I remember reading once that the president himself can pass laws (special ones?) that become effectively immediately with no congressional (?) review and that he sometimes does but its usually not something that will (often) benefit The People.

I suppose I was naive thinking that law making would be a simple and transparent process. Think tanks, governmental advisory agencies and all the rest make a spaghetti mess and get it made law. A sad time we live in.

PS Thanks to a previous poster who posted the info and explaining (comedy) song. Most informative.

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Not sure, My Senator Mark Kirk was against that initial portion of the bill allowing for the Military to have arresting powers within the he Nation. He wanted it stricken from the bill but leave the rest. I know that nothing has passed yet. Still need to research it more.