Calling Out Jewish and Christians- Please Answer ONE Question

Really it profits you nothing to argue against there being a God, what have you then won? Jesus instructed the apostles to spread the Gospel, and if those in towns that wouldn't receive you, to knock the dust of that town from their sandals and move on to the next. He will never force you. In some instances, it's futile to try to bring the gospel where it will surely be refused, but those who deny it will in turn be denied. I feel that enough has been said and given in the spirit of wishing well towards others, and has been rewarded with scoffing, that this is not a forum to try to instill Gods word as your choices have been made some time ago and you are in no way receptive, rather you are eager to argue, but were you to win, what then did you win?

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Which scripture. "I will never leave you nor forsake you. Behold I am as close as your breath. Those that seek my face will find me." And a bunch like that. But that doesn't mean he isn't out to eat me.

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BUT those who dont believe in Christ, and dont acknowledge him, dont have their sins forgiven. Thus they cannot be in the presence of God(which is heaven). Thats the best explanation really.
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The Jews, if they don't believe in Christ.... are subject to the 'OLD LAW' of the Torah, or 'old law' and with that there is virtually no salvation, or rather the steps to salvaton are so difficult, who would be worthy, simply 'only one sin' would prevent you. With the new testament, all who believed Jesus, and called on his name would be forgiven. The only unpardonable sin...... rejecting the Holy Spirit... ie. denying Jesus/God/Holy Spirit. which makes sense, that by doing so you would be denying GOD, thus there would be no place for you in His Kingdom, you excluded yourself by denying the existance of God.

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Islam is wrong because they see Jesus as only a prophet and nothing more, but they are right, in that they believe in the one true God who created all things, as revealed by the prophet Mohamed.

Judaism is wrong because they don’t even see Jesus as a prophet or their Messiah, but they are right, in that they believe in the one true God who created all things, as revealed by the Old Testament prophets.

Christianity is IMO wrong because most denominations have set Jesus up as God, but again they are right, in that they believe in the one true God who created all things, as revealed by Jesus.

Matthew 16:13-17
When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
“But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.

Jesus asks everyman the same question…


“Who do you say I am?”


- JC

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Dear jmdewey60,

Sorry to not respond sooner, haven't been on ATS for a few says. Jesus was summarizing up all the commandments, he answered them and they understood his answer. He was not attempting to argue, he was explaining.

Originally posted by AQuestion
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Dear jmdewey60,
Sorry to not respond sooner, haven't been on ATS for a few says. Jesus was summarizing up all the commandments, he answered them and they understood his answer. He was not attempting to argue, he was explaining.

I'll quote what you seem to be referring to. I think it may have been quoted before but I will do it in the NETBible version which I normally read, and the whole section. There are a bunch of parts in Mathew 22 and in the part before, it was about marriage, and in the part that comes after, it is about David.

Now when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they assembled together. And one of them, an expert in religious law, asked him a question to test him: “Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?” Jesus said to him, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. The second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the law and the prophets depend on these two commandments.”

How this section starts out, you have to think it was a couple hours later or even a couple days later than the part that comes before it. It seems to be having these tests of Jesus first by one group of religionists and then by another group of religionists. The one group who apparently were not keen on resurrection tried to trap him and it sounds like they were defeated and made to look bad before Jesus to the point that they were not going to try that again in public where they could be humiliated.
The second group who are keen on how to interpret the Law to get more mileage out of it (maybe to seem to have a useful function in society) decided to have a go at Jesus, seeing how he had bested the first group of religionists. They probably wanted to demonstrate how adept they were in interpreting the Law in order to made commentaries about it.
The point I was making earlier was that this was not Jesus giving his disciples a new commandment where he has them swear fidelity to a form of god-worship in order to appease some requirement by God as proof of their love for Him. This is a question coming from Jesus' adversaries, who want to take him down by catching him saying something they can use as an accusation in order to denounce him in public. The question is not "what cosmic law of eternal truth should be the overriding principle of life?" they were asking a question specifically about the Law that they were the experts and doctors of, which is the Law of Moses and he satisfied the question about the Law by commenting on the Law and he did it in a way that showed he fully understood the Law by using a quote out of it to make his point, using the Law itself to interpret the Law, and not something he dreamed up , such as the Phaisees were prone to do, using some whimsical explanation to back up their argument like a certain aspect of how the letters were written, such as this line starts by having the first letter having a crown drawn above it, and that this is a tradition that was started back longer ago than anyone can remember.

Originally posted by AllUrChips
So I have a question for you christians or people of any religion(just figured mostly christians on here) that I even stumped a pastor with. Its not that hard of a question either. WHO is right? Which of your religions are right? The christians say that you must accept jesus christ as your lord and savior to go to heaven. Jesus is the SON of GOD according to christianity. Now, Jews dont believe that jesus was the son of god. Rather just a prophet. NOW, Im no expert, but if the jews are the "chosen" ones, and they actually LIVE in the "holy land", then who is right? Are the jews not going to heaven because they do not believe that jesus was the son and died for their sins? Are the christians wrong, and Yeshua(translated to joshua) is the son? And those are just the two main religions, thats doesnt even include muslims and allah! So that is my question, WHO IS RIGHT? Jews or christians.

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John 14:6 Yeshua said to him, “I AM THE LIVING GOD, The Way and The Truth and The Life; no man comes to my Father but by me alone.” (Aramaic Edition)

Pretty much explains it right there. Jews don't even believe Jesus is a prophet, they believe he was just a rabbi and one not even worth mentioning. The muslim believe he was a prophet but shall return in his second coming as the Messiah. If you do not believe in Christ and that he died on the cross for your sins and arose on the 3rd day and ascended to sit at the right hand of the Father you will land yourself in hell, by refusing to accept this you are refusing the free gift of salvation and when you die you will have no excuses. Jesus didn't say Muhammad was the way, he didn't say Moses was the way, he said I AM. I don't know what pastor you stumped with this question, he must have been ordained from a cereal box or youre just making that up.
Jesus isn't going to sit on his throne on Judgement Day and listen to your "but, but,but Lord! I didn't know!" because he will look at you and say "I have given you the prophets to bear witness, i have given you my bride to give testimony and prepare you", and then he will tell you all that he has separated on the left to go into the fire.

The old covenant has passed, and God made a second covenant with those who would believe in Christ. This second covenant can only be accepted in this life and you get the millions of chances that pass each day between each breathe to accept that salvation. The King will not accept excuses. Jesus made it abundantly clear the only way to heaven is to go through him and his path and life, to be Christ-like (christian) and he meant for the jews to convert as his disciples too were jews and they became the first christians and accepted him. Revelation makes it very clear that only 144,000 jews will be saved, Jesus flat out makes that statement where there can be no misconception. If you don't get saved where do you end up? In the outter darkness shut off from God's light (hell) where you suffer the lonliness of being disconnected from God. By Jesus' own words, the christians are right.

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Dear jmdewey60,

I believe we have found common ground. What you have described is how I view what occurred.

Now when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they assembled together. And one of them, an expert in religious law, asked him a question to test him: “Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?” Jesus said to him, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. The second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the law and the prophets depend on these two commandments.”

They were trying to trick Jesus by being legalistic and ignoring the meaning of the bible while hyperfocusing on the language. That was Jesus' accusation against them all, that they focused on the law and not on the intent. The Pharisees were similar to lawyers. Jesus also said that their traditions made void the word of God. They got so good at finding loopholes that the meaning of the bible was lost to them. The law was not wrong, we were imperfect and found ways around the letter of the law. This goes back to the OP, neither is wrong; but, application matters. If I love others; but, not sinners, am I a Christian? At a minimum I am a Christian with no love in me and that is not what we are told to be. Jews and Christians are both right; but, on different issues. The vast majority of both are both wrong; but, on different issues. The Jews forgot the intent and the Christians have forgotten that it is not about the law. Peace.

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Hmmm let's see...you are asking followers of a religion which religion is the right one... Honestly? Let's say I'm a Christian. Do you still want me to tell you which one is right? You want a reason? I have faith and this book says so. Now what? How about I name some things from that book that prove my point? But then you would just find some way to attack it no matter what I said because that is the point of this pointless thread pretending to be in the form of "question".

If there was an absolute answer to your question your would have never even had to ask it. In my opinion...this is pointless and/or trolling.

Originally posted by infiniteobserver
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Hmmm let's see...you are asking followers of a religion which religion is the right one... Honestly? Let's say I'm a Christian. Do you still want me to tell you which one is right? You want a reason? I have faith and this book says so. Now what? How about I name some things from that book that prove my point? But then you would just find some way to attack it no matter what I said because that is the point of this pointless thread pretending to be in the form of "question".

If there was an absolute answer to your question your would have never even had to ask it. In my opinion...this is pointless and/or trolling.

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Or perhaps you believe in a false idol. Next you will tell me you believe in santa clause and the easter bunny?
Dont call me names in my thread. This is MY OPINION and if you choose not to open the thread so be it. If you do open the thread, understand it will not always be YOUR opinion being supported.

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindu's etc... They're all wrong!

Anyone with half a brain knows that the universe rides on the back of a giant celestial squid called Trevor.

IRM

ha ha ha ha

blessed be the name of Trevor!! IA! IA!

-subfab

Originally posted by subfab

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindu's etc... They're all wrong!

Anyone with half a brain knows that the universe rides on the back of a giant celestial squid called Trevor.

IRM

ha ha ha ha

blessed be the name of Trevor!! IA! IA!

-subfab

Trevor heard you and you shall be rewarded this Christmas. He's a sucker for that kind of thing apparently....

IRM

Originally posted by Plotus
Really it profits you nothing to argue against there being a God, what have you then won? Jesus instructed the apostles to spread the Gospel, and if those in towns that wouldn't receive you, to knock the dust of that town from their sandals and move on to the next. He will never force you. In some instances, it's futile to try to bring the gospel where it will surely be refused, but those who deny it will in turn be denied. I feel that enough has been said and given in the spirit of wishing well towards others, and has been rewarded with scoffing, that this is not a forum to try to instill Gods word as your choices have been made some time ago and you are in no way receptive, rather you are eager to argue, but were you to win, what then did you win?

Arguing with an unbeliever is futile. But spreading the Word is not. My conversion experience involved me remembering a verse from long ago. No intellectual argument could move me. But it is wonderful the Word is online everywhere.. I put that verse to a test and found God.

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If you're interested, read my post at www.abovetopsecret.com...
which gives my case in a nutshell.
It's all Biblical, it's concise, and it lays out most of what is to come.
I'm not a prophet. I can only pass on what YHWH has taught me; mainly through the Bible and because it agrees with and enhances Biblical information.

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You may want to fix your link because it goes to what looks like an un-posted work in progress with only one line complete.