China's nuclear arsenal could be up to FORTY times bigger than thought

why should it even matter if we can destroy the earth thousands of times over , isnt just once enough?

I am assuming here that the Chinese think the U.S. is a warmongering out of control nuclear power, so they ramp up with nuclear power and "let the secret out" only when their nukes rival our nukes and then they "feel" safe. So, and I am assuming here again, but the U.S. will get scared that the Chinese are out of control commies and ramp up their nuke production so that if the Chinese kill the U.S. 3000 times, the U.S. can kill the Chinese 4000 times. Yeah, that makes sense! When I was a kid, we were trained by our government schools to be afraid - very afraid - of the Russians - "Duck and cover". I quit being afraid. That's probably a problem for the government, huh. On a more sane note, scientists have found that the Sun is emitting strange particles that are changing nuclear rates of decay. (news.discovery.com...) So, if someone invents a machine to do that, the device could make nuclear bombs unusable. Humans should either use the nukes or get rid of them - but quit feeding fear of them.

excerpt of prophecy from Aug 27, 2011:

Another thing that I got a sense when I was praying the other day in my garden was China and the United States of America. A strange turn is going to take place, and it’s going to happen around the time when the elections take place or going into the new presidency or – I’d better watch what I’m saying now or I’ll give you the secret. I’ll tell you later on.

prophecy link- look to the bottom of the page, 2nd to last paragraph

and as far as I can remember/detect, he has not let on anything more since the above. I could be wrong... if so, please correct. thanks.

reply to post by SLAYER69


The elephant in the room. How quaint.

Martinis anyone?

S&F

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That's right...

fire up the BBQ.
Let's have a blow out as the whole S-house goes up in flames.
I'm with you and your avatar

It is clear that there is some form of an arms race going on between India and China. China is expanding its navy by 138 ships this year, while India is expanding its by 103 ships this year. India is spending considerably more on military expidentures this year, compared to China. It sites Pakistan as they main reason for doing so but it is clear that competition between China and India is mainly fueling this massive growth in both the countries militaries. Both China and India have blue water navys. China only recently upgraded from a largely coastal navy to a blue water navy and it is well known that they have purchased an old Soviet aircraft carier and are re-fiting it for modern purposes. We live in interesting times and it will definetely be interesting how this plays out considering Indian economic growth is forecast to surpass that of China in the next few years.

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


Interesting times is right.. I was thinking about your post and had an interesting thought.

What we are seeing now, with China and India and several other countries, is pretty much their very own cold war. They watched as the US and Russia went through it. It looks like we are going to get the chance to view a cold war as a spectator.

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That really doesn't bother me. Even if they only had 1/40th of what we think they currently do, I'm sure they could kill most if not all of the population with that amount.

reply to post by TupacShakur


I think too many are focusing on the numbers which I'll agree doesn't scare or worry me either but the potential to set off an Arms race in Asia between the region's two growing economies [India and China] who have had border clashes in the past and the other fact that China and Pakistan are getting all Chummy. Should IMO be noted.

The second half of the OP was about India's new push for a true ICBM capability [Coming very soon] which has been ignored [Or simply overlooked] so far by the majority of the replying members.

Why does the speculation of China having a larger stockpile of nuclear warheads not surprise me? Then India developing a new missile. It's always nice knowing people are working on delivery systems to deliver all that firepower to scorch the earth to the point where the people that do survive will have all kinds of cool genetic mutations.

Just what we need. Another Arms race. How about we race for something worthwhile like who can be the first country to have all citizens with college level education?

Martini's and BBQ sounds nice.

I'm personally not a big fan of blowing up the world with nuclear weapons. I guess we're not smart enough to create treaties and make peace.

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india's a joke.Their capability is dependent on Western IT outsourcing.IF West collapses then India will lose everything.But in case of China they could confiscate american corporate assets and industries in China to repay for American and EU debt default.

We know they want them, because they enhance national power. We know they need them, because both their allies & enemies have them. We know they can make them, because they've already demonstrated the ability. Therefore, it shouldn't come as any surprise that they've continued to produce them in their path to becoming the world's next superpower, right?

"Oh, you want to see our nukes? No problem, here's all 40 of them. We stopped making them just like you guys in the US, as soon as the treaty was signed."

Give me a break. Powerful countries don't even share their secrets with their own public. What makes us think they would share them with other countries? Naivety at it's finest.



Cheers,
Strype

That means NOTHING.

Forty times, thirty times, five times or 100,000 times. If they use all they've got in a war the result is exactly the same.... because every other country releases too.

So who cares.

Thanks Slayer

S&F

I know China is one to hide there power and their valuables especially since I grew up from Chinese descent. My grandmother was telling me a few months ago that China has these "rare metals" they are investing in through the stock market and they aren't selling to anybody. I totally forgot the name, I apologize. So, I wouldn't doubt it for a second if China has as a plethora nukes than we think.

Although.. I really don't condone the use of such weapons. I feel like it's weak almost like cheat codes on a game to destroy thousands just by a few clicks on a computer. To be completely honest, i rather go back to the days where real men fought with swords and such, it requires more skill and humans wouldn't be so quick to invade in such situations. That's a little off topic though, I apologize.

reply to post by nenothtu


Great post and I humbly stand corrected based on the info you provided
But I think we can both agree that if total nuclear war happened we would be in a pretty bad way, it would effect us all and none in a good way.
One thing the reports don't mention though are the psychological effects of a nuclear war, I do think if it ever happened you would get millions of the survivors just topping themselves or just killing each other because it truly would break our minds and spirits.
I was trying to imagine if bombs had destroyed great city's like London,Manchester and not so great one's like Birmingham (UK here) all the history, all the art all the ladies gone... no goverment for months maybe, fear of another attack, fear of radiation,fear of food being contaminated, fear of my fellow man ...I dont know if many people could hack it, especially if your stuck in such a small country.
Sod it I hope I just see a bright light and burn in an instant I think its better than living.
Cheers BM xx
PS Just an after thought but after the bombs had dropped would the war be over? or would we see surviving army's try and take over place's with untouched resources? It may go on for years...

Originally posted by spirit_horse
I can't find the entire speech given by Mr. Chi Haotian (Army General), Minster of Defense and vice-chairman of China’s Central Military Commission when he said the following:

We have made a tremendous effort to construct “The Great Wall Project” to build up, along our coastal and land frontiers as well as around large and medium-sized cities, a solid underground “Great Wall” that can withstand a nuclear war.

I believe the tunnels Slayer is speaking about is the, "solid underground "Great Wall" that can withstand nuclear war. Everyone who doubts China is planning a war to take the US and Austrailia with the use of bioweapons should read his speech in it's entireity.

There is a discussion of the speech here:
ATS Thread

Here is the speech:
Speech Source

Unedited Version

edit on 30/11/11 by spirit_horse because: (no reason given)

Everyone should read the text of the speech that's linked to in the above-quoted post by spirit-horse. If the speaker is a person with knowledge and authority regarding China's policies concerning expansion to other lands, then it isn't China's nuclear arsenal you need to worry about.

Ive always thought that china would one day take over the world!

as they are developing advanced weapons and technology , the way they would do it would shock the world when it happens.
All those products shipped from China to the rest of the world, well they all contain nanomachines , and once they are in every city every town every country , china pushes the button and they form into giant killing machines that take over each country .

Yeh all under our noses !

hi there,

in relation to :

The study began after the 2008 earthquake in Sichuan province revealed strangely collapsed hills that were believe to have tunnels underneath them

where are the images and the footage of this ?? any one have a link to any images ?/

thanks

snoopyuk

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WalMart is pure evil. The USA fell under the spell of a man, Walton, who was a known socialist. Fools. All for cheap crap. We are going to get what we deserve.

As for the Chinese Arsenal, 3000 warheads is a sizable offensive arsenal, unlike 500 or so, which could easily be consider defensive. But who are we worried about? Iran? No, they aren't a concern. Russia? Nope, they are buddies right? Nope, we are Kim Kardashian and other worthless celebs.