Paul vs McCain Debate: Detaining American Citizens Indefinitely (VIDEO)

Republican Sens. Rand Paul (Ky.) and John McCain (Ariz.) battled on the Senate floor Tuesday over a proposed amendment to the pending defense authorization bill that could allow American citizens who are suspected of terrorism to be denied a civilian trial.

Paul argued the amendment, which is cosponsored by McCain, "puts every single American citizen at risk" and suggested that if the amendment passes, "the terrorists have won."

"Facts are stubborn things," McCain repeated from the floor several times. "If the senator from Kentucky wants to have a situation prevail where people who are released go back in to the fight to kill Americans, he is entitled to his opinion.”

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I'm sure McCain really would agree while he was held up in a Vietnamese POW Camp...........

Could it be argued that all combatants which are released are done so because they are found innocent and we basically by detaining them without reason turn one in every 4 people into radicals?

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It would have been nice if McHitler had answered the question. The answer to which is yes.

What disturbs me is that McCain doesn't even seem to care about how this law could be easily abused.

"American citizens might be sent to gitmo? Not like I give two sh#ts, Rand."

And to think he was the GOP nominee not too long ago!

Regarding this same debate Sen. Rand Paul releases a statement


"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy" - T. Madison

If you take out due process you are not only hurting civilians you are hurting security as well, firstly you are criminalizing the very people you are trying to protect and secondly without due process alot of facts and clues may be overlooked, which puts national security at risk!

You are at crossroads ladies and gentlemen

If this passes we're doomed. But then again, we're doomed anyway.
Be seeing you...

Because freedom is only worth the amount you can pay for it.

I, for one, Welcome our elderly and mentally diminished overlords-
The incredible shrinking brain

This is why I believe no one over 50 should be able to hold public office.

They know all the dirty tricks and do not have as much to lose from a crappy future as us young bloods do.
and on top of that, their cognitive abilities are sub-par at best.

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The Senate rejected the Udall Amendment.

Mark Udall’s amendment to strip out indefinite detention provisions from the defense authorization bill failed today, and the bill will likely pass the Senate with the provisions intact.

The Senate soundly defeated a move to strip out controversial language requiring mandatory detention of some terror suspects, voting it down 61 to 37 and escalating a fight with the Obama administration over the future course of the war on terror.

The proposed amendment to the massive National Defense Authorization Act would require the FBI and other civilian law enforcement agencies to transfer al-Qaida suspects arrested overseas on charges of planning or carrying out a terror attack into military custody. It wouldn’t apply to American citizens, but the change has drawn strong opposition from civil rights groups and the White House, which has promised to veto the defense bill if that language was included.

news.firedoglake.com...

Statement of Purpose: To revise the provisions relating to detainee matters.
Vote Counts: YEAs 37
NAYs 61
Not Voting 2

Here's how our not so wonderful Senators voted:

Alphabetical by Senator Name
Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Alexander (R-TN), Nay
Ayotte (R-NH), Nay
Barrasso (R-WY), Nay
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Begich (D-AK), Not Voting
Bennet (D-CO), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Blumenthal (D-CT), Yea
Blunt (R-MO), Nay
Boozman (R-AR), Nay
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brown (D-OH), Yea
Brown (R-MA), Nay
Burr (R-NC), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Nay
Chambliss (R-GA), Nay
Coats (R-IN), Nay
Coburn (R-OK), Nay
Cochran (R-MS), Nay
Collins (R-ME), Nay
Conrad (D-ND), Nay
Coons (D-DE), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Nay
Cornyn (R-TX), Nay
Crapo (R-ID), Nay
DeMint (R-SC), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Franken (D-MN), Yea
Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Nay
Grassley (R-IA), Nay
Hagan (D-NC), Nay
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Nay
Heller (R-NV), Nay
Hoeven (R-ND), Nay
Hutchison (R-TX), Nay
Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Isakson (R-GA), Nay
Johanns (R-NE), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Johnson (R-WI), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kirk (R-IL), Yea
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Nay
Kyl (R-AZ), Nay
Landrieu (D-LA), Nay
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Lee (R-UT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (ID-CT), Nay
Lugar (R-IN), Nay
Manchin (D-WV), Nay
McCain (R-AZ), Nay
McCaskill (D-MO), Nay
McConnell (R-KY), Nay
Menendez (D-NJ), Nay
Merkley (D-OR), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Moran (R-KS), Nay
Murkowski (R-AK), Not Voting
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Nay
Paul (R-KY), Yea
Portman (R-OH), Nay
Pryor (D-AR), Nay
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Risch (R-ID), Nay
Roberts (R-KS), Nay
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Rubio (R-FL), Nay
Sanders (I-VT), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Nay
Shaheen (D-NH), Nay
Shelby (R-AL), Nay
Snowe (R-ME), Nay
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Tester (D-MT), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Nay
Toomey (R-PA), Nay
Udall (D-CO), Yea
Udall (D-NM), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Nay
Warner (D-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Nay
Wicker (R-MS), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Yea
www.senate.gov...

The New and Improved Twilight Zone Version of America.

Turning the Amercan Dream from this:


Into this:

If they pass this we will now live in the most dangerous place on earth. What Congress seams to be naive to (or at least they play like they are) is that down the line somebody else will hold power and that persons definition of who or what a terrorist is can and will change. That definition could be somebody who likes to buy guns, or somebody who likes to look up books on demolitions for a hobby, or even drive a blue truck (abserd, i know) but eventually the definition will describe somebody that you may know and then WHAM...they vanish without a trace, and legally you cant do jack about it. This goes totally against one of the main reasons why this country was set up for in the first place. And to think some people who call themselves conservatives and believe in the constitution are for this bill. Hypocrites. Its time to bug out if this bill passes cause sooner or later they will come for somebody you know and one day it might even be you.

Well well big surprise here.

McCain has become as dumb as a brick if he really believes what he is saying.

Not that i ever really believed in the guy. But really McCain? REALLY?

When can we start holding these bozo's responsible for being traitors to the constitution and the people?

Who are the real terrorists now?

EDIT to add: because if McCain's little rant there didn't send a streak of terror through your American bones, then how the hell could could anything.