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Mars MOC Silver Dome
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Hey everyone! Well, here is a Mars anomaly I found about a few months ago. I found it in a Mars Orbiter CTX camera photo. This object really sticks
out like a sore thumb, relative to its surroundings, except, you just cannot see it until you nearly “get your nose in the dirt”, by magnifying
yhe CTX photo.
What I see here is:
* an anomaly that appears to be silver/maybe metal
* has a rounded dome shape
* has six visible black circular areas on its face, which “could be something like windows”
* my “rough guess” as to its size, maybe about 400 ft wide/dia.???
* whatever it is, it is "different”!!!
There may be things going on here, because as you will see, there appear to be at least two openings to the underground right here at the dome.
I will post a screen shot, and a link to the CTX photo
viewer.mars.asu.edu...
To help you locate the anomaly in this very tall CTX photo: I will include a screenshot for the top of the CTX photo, with an arrow to the anomaly position area.
1. Notice that near the top of the full CTX photo is a dark/black area. The anomaly is in the lower left of that darker area, on the top of a rocky formation, and is just above a crater in the area. You cannot see the dome until it is magnified several times. Of course, the screenshot will show you what to look for, if you go to look at the full MOC CTX photo
2. Notice at the bottom left of the CTX photo are “buttons” which can be used in the search. You will need to use the + button to magnify all the way to best see the anomaly. (I use "full screen” button too)
I will be looking forward to hearing your comments, as I would like to know what you see and think!
What I see here is:
* an anomaly that appears to be silver/maybe metal
* has a rounded dome shape
* has six visible black circular areas on its face, which “could be something like windows”
* my “rough guess” as to its size, maybe about 400 ft wide/dia.???
* whatever it is, it is "different”!!!
There may be things going on here, because as you will see, there appear to be at least two openings to the underground right here at the dome.
I will post a screen shot, and a link to the CTX photo
viewer.mars.asu.edu...
To help you locate the anomaly in this very tall CTX photo: I will include a screenshot for the top of the CTX photo, with an arrow to the anomaly position area.
1. Notice that near the top of the full CTX photo is a dark/black area. The anomaly is in the lower left of that darker area, on the top of a rocky formation, and is just above a crater in the area. You cannot see the dome until it is magnified several times. Of course, the screenshot will show you what to look for, if you go to look at the full MOC CTX photo
2. Notice at the bottom left of the CTX photo are “buttons” which can be used in the search. You will need to use the + button to magnify all the way to best see the anomaly. (I use "full screen” button too)
I will be looking forward to hearing your comments, as I would like to know what you see and think!
edit on 28-11-2011 by rdunk because: Correct Link
I am always very wary of moon and Mars anomaly's, (especially after Hogland!).
And I do believe there are probably some kind of waypoint or service bases on said bodies,
I think your dome is just rock. (IMO)
Sorry buddy, Keep looking though.
And I do believe there are probably some kind of waypoint or service bases on said bodies,
I think your dome is just rock. (IMO)
Sorry buddy, Keep looking though.
I'm sorry I don't see it either...
Could a chunk or metal in the form of a sphere be some type or meteorite?
With gravity's pressure and the perfect amount of heat, I guess some rocks can form into metal...
I'm not a scientist just deducting.
Could a chunk or metal in the form of a sphere be some type or meteorite?
With gravity's pressure and the perfect amount of heat, I guess some rocks can form into metal...
I'm not a scientist just deducting.
Originally posted by Soapusmaximus
I am always very wary of moon and Mars anomaly's, (especially after Hogland!).
What if he was an agent put there to make future mars "discoveries" from pictures, irrelevant?
You mean 'Hoaxland'? No offense but I see nothing there but a ridge casting a shadow.
I do appreciate your comments thus far, but it is hard for me to understand your inability to at least see the silver dome, within the applied black
ring, in the screenshot. That anomaly has absolutely no appearance of a rock. A lot of rocks around and even under it, but, the dome is entirely
different.
I am sorry you are, so far, not able to "see it"!! Must be a viewer (as in display, etc.) problem somewhere!
I am sorry you are, so far, not able to "see it"!! Must be a viewer (as in display, etc.) problem somewhere!
edit on 28-11-2011 by rdunk
because: edit
i see nothing but ridge. in fact, the area you have circled is not even round.
reply to post by optimus primal
Sorry, but disagree - the dome base appears to be quite circular. Of course, we can't see behind it, but no reason to think is otherwise.
But, as I say, you are welcome to your opinion also. Thanks for the comment.
Sorry, but disagree - the dome base appears to be quite circular. Of course, we can't see behind it, but no reason to think is otherwise.
But, as I say, you are welcome to your opinion also. Thanks for the comment.
You are starting with what is most likely a wrong interpretation, seeing this is a greyscale photo, so we don't have any colour information, and if we don't have that you cannot say that the "dome" is silver/maybe metal.
Originally posted by rdunk
* an anomaly that appears to be silver/maybe metal
Also, seeing that the cameras are prepared to take photos of the ground, something metallic would appear much brighter.
I will try to find a higher resolution image of that area.
reply to post by ArMaP
Hi ArMaP! I am not as concerned with what the dome is made from, as I am just the fact that it is a "dome"-looking feature, with what looks like six circular black spots on its face. While it does look silverish, who can actually know the construction material??
Thanks!! And good luck. I sure would like to see something better.. As I recall, the pics are limited there.
Here is a link to a different CTX pic, but it is about the same as the one in the OP.
viewer.mars.asu.edu...
editby]edit on 28-11-2011 by rdunk because: Added link
Hi ArMaP! I am not as concerned with what the dome is made from, as I am just the fact that it is a "dome"-looking feature, with what looks like six circular black spots on its face. While it does look silverish, who can actually know the construction material??
Thanks!! And good luck. I sure would like to see something better.. As I recall, the pics are limited there.
Here is a link to a different CTX pic, but it is about the same as the one in the OP.
viewer.mars.asu.edu...
editby]edit on 28-11-2011 by rdunk because: Added link
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reply to post by Soapusmaximus
Agreed. Nothing anomalous here. Keep in mind that how the light strikes a rock formation has a great deal to do with its appearance.
Agreed. Nothing anomalous here. Keep in mind that how the light strikes a rock formation has a great deal to do with its appearance.
reply to post by disownedsky
Hello disownedsky! I certainly agree that light can have a lot to do with the way things look! But, if you will notice, that the "light" is pretty much striking everything around the area of the anomaly, and there are differences in the way some of the rocks look as compared to others. However, none of the "rocks" have the appearance of the anomaly, and none of them have 6 black circular areas as does the dome, on its face, and none of them have the engineered shape, as does the dome.
By the way did you notice the two what appear to be below-ground entrances, one right under the dome, and a very large entrance/opening just forward of the dome?They both are definitely "openings" to underground. Whether they are actually "entrances" must be left up to conjecture.
I too am still looking for a better quality pic, of the dome area, but I am not optimistic of finding any that are better.
Thanks again!
Hello disownedsky! I certainly agree that light can have a lot to do with the way things look! But, if you will notice, that the "light" is pretty much striking everything around the area of the anomaly, and there are differences in the way some of the rocks look as compared to others. However, none of the "rocks" have the appearance of the anomaly, and none of them have 6 black circular areas as does the dome, on its face, and none of them have the engineered shape, as does the dome.
By the way did you notice the two what appear to be below-ground entrances, one right under the dome, and a very large entrance/opening just forward of the dome?They both are definitely "openings" to underground. Whether they are actually "entrances" must be left up to conjecture.
I too am still looking for a better quality pic, of the dome area, but I am not optimistic of finding any that are better.
Thanks again!
High resolution picture source
High resolution picture source
Lots of others Mars pareidolias here
- "Fallen castle" and "array of buildings" here
- "Forests" here
- "Gorilla" (Yes!!) here
- "A wrench" here
And so on.....
SOURCE: Low resolution pictures, don't believe everything you see!
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29-11-2011 by elevenaugust because: (no reason given)
reply to post by elevenaugust
Hi elevenaugust! I saw this in your OP that you just posted 5 days ago, on this forum. And, I did have an opportunity to comment there. You are still right, photo resolution does make a difference.. But there are times when even lower resolution photos can present clear and fantastic images. With the Mars Orbiter Cameras, high resolution is really needed to see anomaly type detail, from orbital altitude. With the Rovers, sitting on the ground, the resolution doesn't have to be all that high, to get the kind of pic needed to discern the fine detail of ground anomalies. But, for better pics, there are times when the Rover needs to tell a potentially anomaly to "look toward the camera", before taking the pic!!!
Hi elevenaugust! I saw this in your OP that you just posted 5 days ago, on this forum. And, I did have an opportunity to comment there. You are still right, photo resolution does make a difference.. But there are times when even lower resolution photos can present clear and fantastic images. With the Mars Orbiter Cameras, high resolution is really needed to see anomaly type detail, from orbital altitude. With the Rovers, sitting on the ground, the resolution doesn't have to be all that high, to get the kind of pic needed to discern the fine detail of ground anomalies. But, for better pics, there are times when the Rover needs to tell a potentially anomaly to "look toward the camera", before taking the pic!!!
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by rdunk because: correction
reply to post by rdunk
First, I believe you are looking at the center of crater, not a dome; but it may be the outer ridge of a larger crater. I'm not sure how trustworthy the altitude measurements are using Google Earth, but when I tried, the bright spot appears to me to be a very gentle slope-- the dome appearance perhaps being due to the surrounding area being in shadow and/or less smooth (less reflective).
Second, the coordinates are: 36°18'23.04"N 13°55'26.61"E
Third, it appears to be about 60 meters across.
First, I believe you are looking at the center of crater, not a dome; but it may be the outer ridge of a larger crater. I'm not sure how trustworthy the altitude measurements are using Google Earth, but when I tried, the bright spot appears to me to be a very gentle slope-- the dome appearance perhaps being due to the surrounding area being in shadow and/or less smooth (less reflective).
Second, the coordinates are: 36°18'23.04"N 13°55'26.61"E
Third, it appears to be about 60 meters across.
To give everyone a little more detail on this dome anomaly, and its surroundings, I went to Google Mars to see if I could make some measurements.
Using the coordinates of 35N 15E, I found the site fairly quickly. Yes, you can see this area, and you can see the anomaly feature, but only if you
know what you are looking for already. This makes for a good comparison for just how bad the Google Mars photo data can be, as compared to the "near
actual" NASA photos in the OP.
But the Google data here is good enough to use the Google Mars calculator to make the measurementsI wanted. And here they are:
The dome measures about 350 ft tall, and 400 ft in diameter. ie, more than a football field wide, and more than a football field tall, One just doesn't get that size perspective, looking at a pic of the dome in the screenshot.
The crater just below the dome measures about 2,500 ft in diameter
The smaller underground entrance, just below the dome, measures about 900 feet wide and 500ft tall
The larger underground entrance, forward of the dome, measures about 2,200 ft wide and 500 ft tall. That would be about 7 football fields wide. and nearly 2 football fields tall. That is a pretty large opening!
For most of us, when looking at these photos, it is difficult to really know how big, or how small, the Martian surface features are. Sometimes, we can go to Google Mars, and make the measurements we need, and that is a good thing. But often, the Google info is not good enough for that either.
I hope these measurements give everyone a better feel of size relative to the dome anomaly, and the nearby features..
But the Google data here is good enough to use the Google Mars calculator to make the measurementsI wanted. And here they are:
The dome measures about 350 ft tall, and 400 ft in diameter. ie, more than a football field wide, and more than a football field tall, One just doesn't get that size perspective, looking at a pic of the dome in the screenshot.
The crater just below the dome measures about 2,500 ft in diameter
The smaller underground entrance, just below the dome, measures about 900 feet wide and 500ft tall
The larger underground entrance, forward of the dome, measures about 2,200 ft wide and 500 ft tall. That would be about 7 football fields wide. and nearly 2 football fields tall. That is a pretty large opening!
For most of us, when looking at these photos, it is difficult to really know how big, or how small, the Martian surface features are. Sometimes, we can go to Google Mars, and make the measurements we need, and that is a good thing. But often, the Google info is not good enough for that either.
I hope these measurements give everyone a better feel of size relative to the dome anomaly, and the nearby features..
Originally posted by rdunk
To give everyone a little more detail on this dome anomaly, and its surroundings, I went to Google Mars to see if I could make some measurements. Using the coordinates of 35N 15E, I found the site fairly quickly. Yes, you can see this area, and you can see the anomaly feature, but only if you know what you are looking for already. This makes for a good comparison for just how bad the Google Mars photo data can be, as compared to the "near actual" NASA photos in the OP.
But the Google data here is good enough to use the Google Mars calculator to make the measurementsI wanted. And here they are:
The dome measures about 350 ft tall, and 400 ft in diameter. ie, more than a football field wide, and more than a football field tall, One just doesn't get that size perspective, looking at a pic of the dome in the screenshot.
The crater just below the dome measures about 2,500 ft in diameter
The smaller underground entrance, just below the dome, measures about 900 feet wide and 500ft tall
The larger underground entrance, forward of the dome, measures about 2,200 ft wide and 500 ft tall. That would be about 7 football fields wide. and nearly 2 football fields tall. That is a pretty large opening!
For most of us, when looking at these photos, it is difficult to really know how big, or how small, the Martian surface features are. Sometimes, we can go to Google Mars, and make the measurements we need, and that is a good thing. But often, the Google info is not good enough for that either.
I hope these measurements give everyone a better feel of size relative to the dome anomaly, and the nearby features..
Oh! "Underground entrance." Now I see why you do not see what I see-- and visa versa.
Did I ever step into the wrong thread.
Uhm... This is under "Space Exploration." Perhaps it ought to be moved to a more appropriate forum?
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reason given)
reply to post by rdunk
Here is a 200% blowup taken from the JPEG2000 image (full image format). The resolution is 5.91 m/pixel, making the "dome" about 130 meters across. I see no circular shape. I see no circular windows. I see no underground entrances.
Oh. Don't use Google Mars for research.
Here is a 200% blowup taken from the JPEG2000 image (full image format). The resolution is 5.91 m/pixel, making the "dome" about 130 meters across. I see no circular shape. I see no circular windows. I see no underground entrances.
Oh. Don't use Google Mars for research.
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by rdunk
Here is a 200% blowup taken from the JPEG2000 image (full image format). The resolution is 5.91 m/pixel, making the "dome" about 130 meters across. I see no circular shape. I see no circular windows. I see no underground entrances.
Oh. Don't use Google Mars for research.
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Hi Phage! I always enjoy seeing your very serious avatar! Now Phage, you know full well when a photo is over magnified/pixelated. You pic is, and that is just one of the reasons you can't see the circular black spots on the face of the dome. If you go back to the screenshot in the OP, you should be able to see them easy enough. But, you don't have to do that, because I am going to repost it in a following reply, for you, and for other reasons.
The openings, which "might" be underground entrances, are clearly visible in the pic you posted. Looking at the OP screenshot, one of the openings that could be an underground entrance, is just below the dome feature. The larger opening is forward of the dome, and just aft of the crater at the front/bottom of the pic. I don't know how you can't see those either?? But i do accept that you don't!!
You and I are pretty close together on estimating the width of the "dome". You say you "don"t see a circular shape" Well, I say, I don't see any "edges or corners on it, and the roof is curved downward, as if it were a dome". Looks like a dome to me!! Of course, our dome anomaly could be just the "Bridge" of an alien ETV!
Phage, I agree relative to not using Google Mars for final photo data and posting. I've been there and done that! Everyone has to learn. But, as I have said in other posts on ATS, Google Mars can be useful to use for research, and for just looking around, because Google Mars also has on the spot links to the "Spacecraft Imagery", with the NASA MOC pics being clickable, right there. And too, the Google Mars measurement tool is useful, at times.
Thanks a lot for your comments!!!
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