Tired of threads on Imminent Disclosure? Me too. Here's one that might make sense, and doesn't p

Tired of threads on Imminent Disclosure? Me too. Here's one that might make sense, and doesn't predict a date.

Disclosure is, supposedly, this moment we all undeniably accept ET life (in our presence), but contrary to popular opinion it actually could happen before they land and say, "We're Heeeeerrrrre!", or our government(s) decides to fess up - bear with me.

Even when they do, those of us fortunate enough to be alive will be able to say, "see - we've been telling you all along". The question is, what proportion of us will be able to make that statement?!

Will it be the few(?) of us, who retreat to communities like this in order to discuss fringe topics that may, or may not be, acceptible to speak in the open?

Or will it be all of us?

My guess is the latter, and here's why...

Lemme start with a little backstory:

When I was 5-10 [70s/80s], talking about UFOs and Aliens was cool because you thought about the possibilities. You loved the bad B-movies. Playing 'outer space', and with the toys. Letting your imagination run.

- 10 years later, when I was 2 years into college (20 now), it was intellectually stimulating to contemplate the real possibilites of extra-terrestrial life, now that I'd actually been exposed to a higher level of education [Major Div I Univ.], more diversified ways of thinking (50,000+ UG &G), and studying sciences and projects that actually provide plausible explanations for things we thought were fantasy as the 10year-old, now made possible by data and science.

- 30 had come and gone, and by then it wasn't even a question. There DEFINITELY. IS. life 'out there'. Somewhere. The science, math, and understanding of the cosmos, says so. Problem was, the chances of us having come into contact with one were slim to none. Right? [I have a nice little theory on that, posted somewhere (looking)]. But, anyway...

- Wrong - now, I'm 40 and I realize how far WE have come in my short time on this earth - technologically - it's really kind of staggering. So to think that we would never find ET life is thinking small - that's because of OUR limitations, OUR technology, OUR understanding of the sciences. Look how far we've come.. in the last 500 years... the last 100... last 40... last 5... YEARS!!!! An alien civilization only 'slightly' older than us would surely have mastered FTL travel by now (or, close to it - or, understands how to manipulate gravity (look how close we are), and therefor spacetime).

I mean, again... Look what advances we've made in the sciences and what we are on the verge of... with CERN, string theory, M theory, multi-verse understanding, dark matter detection, genetics manipulation, cosmic observation... the list goes on!

Like I said, the question then becomes, how quickly does the percentage of 'those who believe' go from [whatever you like it to be now] to 100%?!

And, I think that is automatically happening, currently*. The rate at which people are realizing it is accelerating. Think about it: when was the last time you heard a buddy or even stranger say, 'sure, there has to be something out there'. And, it was just... okay to say. Seems like all of my friends now (certainly my 'professional' ones)





**I have a theory about this (acceleration to 'disclosure') and how it relates to relates to 2012, and 'enlightenment' that may be coming... anyone interested, or have I blown my load, here?

sounds like your finally coming around. Its not a fact of whether or not we run into an intelligent species in space, but a question of when. When will our technology allow us to leave this planet, to start the active search. When will our signaling capabilities allow us to send micro wave messages far into space.


When, when, when.


Hopefully, soon.

Disclosure(if there even were anything to disclose)would not be in the governments best intrest. They could not have people believeing there were any higher power than the government or god. It would never happen, ever, ever, ever,ever.

We're going to need a global shift in our overall priorities(hopefully soon), before disclosure starts to kick in. With the Government in the position it is right now they can't admit it doing so would ruin their credibility entirely.

Considering the quickening pace of lets say "speed bumps" we are getting with world events, makes me believe that a boom is coming. Think for example, that moments such as October 13th 2010. The Ufo incident over New York City said as lot for the scope of what is to come. If the mass amount of ships seen in the Latin America, then they gotta break it to us easy. America is the key to world opinion, everyone looks at us. We are quick to scare and hard to embrace. Gradually, 100 (NYC

Originally posted by AllUrChips
Disclosure(if there even were anything to disclose)would not be in the governments best intrest. They could not have people believeing there were any higher power than the government or god. It would never happen, ever, ever, ever,ever.

Whether there is or not anything ET to disclose (Im sure theres lots terrestial!!) I dont know but there are some indications that there is! If there is then they will probably never willingly disclose because then they have to admit to the masses the biggest state/TPTB sponsored lie in the history of mankind!!! And they aint going to do that!

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I agree with you 100%. I remember when I was a kid watching captain Kirk speak / video call into his thingamajig to the enterprise, and my Dad said he'd never live to see the day that happened. Hell, he and his brother used to joke about a phone without wires! Well, dad is still around and now he has seen it! Which makes me wonder, if I live out another 30-40 years, what might I actually see come to fruition that is now considered Sci-fi on television??

25 years ago my first pc ran at 12Mhz, had a 20Mb Hard Disk and CGA monitor (that's 4 colors to you younger people). 25 years later, I have a blackberry that can do soooo much more. Phone, surf the net, take pics, videos, banking, GPS enabled etc etc. Where will we be in the next 25 years?? (if we don't wipe ourselves out) It may be a bright future, and we may just well be finding some neighbours in the nearby vicinty

(I think the only thing that will freak me out, is if I walk into a bar, sit down and look to my side...... only to see that squirrel in your avatar ACTUALLY drinking a Guinness! )

People talk as if it is the governments that have authority over disclosure. It is those who will be disclosed who have that authority.

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It is going to happen - in the manner I explained - soon. Guaranteed. It is unavoidable.

There WILL come a time when all information is known by every human (or most, at least) instanly, and simultaneously - we are effectively becoming the Borg.

The manner in which we exchange information, and the amount of data we are able to process at once, has been accelerating exponentially, forever.

reply to post by TortoiseKweek


Agent K in Men in Black holding up a tiny disc that is going to replace CDs soon, saying he'll have to buy the white album again seems rather quaint now as does some of what I see on all Star Trek series.

Good post, well thought out...

To me human understanding is kinda like a snowball, it started out small has begun an almost out-of-control downhill tumble, so much so we are progressing what would seem faster than we can conceive.

Like you, we went through the stages of extra-terrestrial discussion as we grew up, I have always been fascinated with the prospect of contact, not sure if we'll see it our lifetimes, but maybe, just maybe if we turn it around and start doing it right (another very real possibility despite contradictions), we may last long enough to see that first contact.

Originally posted by SquirrelNutz
reply to post by AllUrChips

 

It is going to happen - in the manner I explained - soon. Guaranteed. It is unavoidable.

There WILL come a time when all information is known by every human (or most, at least) instanly, and simultaneously - we are effectively becoming the Borg.

The manner in which we exchange information, and the amount of data we are able to process at once, has been accelerating exponentially, forever.

The scary part is what we will do with that information when we do get it. Right now I'm not sure humanity is ready for such a leap, we are still somewhat in the dark regarding our own evolution, but yes you are right, in the (hopefully near) future we will work it out and really get this rollercoaster going.

reply to post by 74Templar


Agreed. I think the acceleration & awakening can best be exemplified by two ideas:

1) Robert A. Wilson's "Jumping Jesus" Phenomenon, that will result in an eventual 'singularity' - explained here...



That reminds me, someone once showed a stat me that a single day's newspaper today, has more news & information than a typical person would have received in a year, and some even a lifetime, back in the 1500s.

Crazy to think about.



And, 2) Ray Kurtzweil's (inventor, futurist, and author, Transcendent Man) ideas on humans and computers...



Maybe he was (finally) off by a few years...?

But, what do I know....?


Mathematician & Scientist by Education,
Engineer, Technician, Project Mgr by Profession,
Cosmologist & Historian by Passion,


I'm the one who's nuts, right?

Originally posted by SquirrelNutz
But, what do I know....?


Mathematician & Scientist by Education,
Engineer, Technician, Project Mgr by Profession,
Cosmologist & Historian by Passion,


I'm the one who's nuts, right?

According to your name, well... yes

Every time I think of subjects like this it brings me back to my own kids, and the world they are in now. Even at 6 and 10 I can see they will be a lot smarter than me, god only knows how intelligent they will be at my age now, almost 40. Kids process their information more quickly, and I wouldn't be surprised if they figure out the meaning to life on this little ball of rock and water a hell of a lot faster than I ever did...
I just hpe for their sake the world improves and turns around from the current cesspool it is now so they have a chance to make this world in a better image than we have

BTW, nice CV

Main problem I see with Disclosure is : It would Debunk all major religions.. Holy books are the word of God from creation until the end of days. Suddenly there are beings amongst us, technologically superior, not made in gods image, telling us that the universe is millions of years old not 6000.

I think the Only major religion that has non human deities are the Hindu's, coincidently one of the Oldest religions on the planet too.

Christianity, Islam and Judism, all have the "We're made in gods image" quotes.

While academics and scientists would welcome disclosure... Religious leaders fear it, because it would expose their lies for all these years and strip them of all their power.



Just some thoughts I thunk't in my head box

Peace

Rock Ape

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Think you're missing the Krux of the process.

We will all learn the accurate and exaggerated parts of religion, simultaneously.

(click on my AAT link in my sig, for a better explanation)

**I have a theory about this (acceleration to 'disclosure') and how it relates to relates to 2012, and 'enlightenment' that may be coming... anyone interested, or have I blown my load, here?

Can you expand on this a little bit? As an engineer among other things you will understand that it is not just enough that more information is available it is also necessary that an individual is able to process greater amount of it. Also, not everyone on the planet has same access to internet (many don't have any at all or are limited by language barriers - they just don't speak English) or as individuals are not motivated enough to seek new information beyond what's available on television (which is not that much educational ). I think these are important limiting factor to singularity theory as presented here.

I do not doubt that our brain/mind is changing in evolutionary sense as a result of greater availability of information and processing of it. However, does it follow the same exponential function is questionable. If there is some research done in that field I am not aware of it.

Anyway, I agree that percentage of population accepting reality of contact with ETs is ever increasing due to information availability on the internet and it will for sure have some interesting consequences in the future.

reply to post by ISeeThroughYou


Yes, read the post 4 above yours with the videos.

The first discusses the speed and volume of information available and being spread around.

The second talks about how eventually CPU will catch up with Brain power, the likelihood that they will be fused with technological capability (by that time)

reply to post by SquirrelNutz

I think there is a conscious entanglement/hundredth monkey/serendipity thing going on right now that is going to be the changes we've been hearing about regarding 2012. Maybe the good aliens in the WH are going to protect Ron Paul and allow him to be fairly elected as POTUS and this will pave the way for a spiritual enlightenment of sorts opening our minds to be able to actually meet the ancient "gods" who put us here in the first place. I have a feeling they feel a kind of responsibility for us now and have given us the responsibility of free will and have chosen to take the path of compassion and concern for our fellow man around the world. Zero pollution zpe industries will allow us to bring food, shelter, health care, education, etc to every person around the globe in real time situations. Removing the current paradigm of energy production and political/corporate crony ism and decentralizing the power structures currently impeding the improvement of living standards around the world is of tantamount importance right now and I think Ron Paul becoming the next pres will allow that to happen... that is unless they shoot him and put us all in concentration camps. I remain an opitimist