Border deal a hard barrier for Harper's critics to cross

Border deal a hard barrier for Harper's critics to cross

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The new Canada-U.S. border agreement will be unveiled at the White House by Barack Obama and Stephen Harper in early December. When they read it, some people will go ballistic.

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So, in December the plan for the new border agreement between Canada and the US will be unveiled at the White House. The specifics of this agreement have yet to surface, so hopefully it won't be as bad as I'm thinking it will be, but it sounds like more spying, and more sharing of both Canadian and American citizens information with the higher-ups. I like how Scott Ibbitson is putting this unveiled agreement on a pedestal Ahem, deny ignorance, ahem. I found this part interesting too, "Air, land and maritime inspections will be more fully integrated, and both sides will be able to more easily detect and deter cyber threats." Apparently the people have the government scared via the internet, not that this is anything new around here. Anyways, until this deal is revealed, it's all specualtion, so let's wait and see

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Ya one more nail on the coffin
i'm sure we will lose more than we gain
But i can see some of my american friend and customer liking this

Harper has become Obama's lap dog. He will do just about anything to stand beside him and be seen by the World as another Obama-Buddy. As if standing beside him he will be seen as a World Power.

This man is disgusting and has absolutely no back bone. If he did, he would realize that Canadians DO NOT want anything to do with the approaching Police State of the US and would take a stand against the self proclaimed Dictator of the World.

The only thing he is doing is inviting the disease to the door.

If Harper wants another term, he would do as Canadians need, not what he desires.

Peace

Originally posted by jude11
Harper has become Obama's lap dog. He will do just about anything to stand beside him and be seen by the World as another Obama-Buddy. As if standing beside him he will be seen as a World Power.

This man is disgusting and has absolutely no back bone. If he did, he would realize that Canadians DO NOT want anything to do with the approaching Police State of the US and would take a stand against the self proclaimed Dictator of the World.

The only thing he is doing is inviting the disease to the door.

If Harper wants another term, he would do as Canadians need, not what he desires.

Peace

edit on 27-11-2011 by jude11 because: (no reason given)

Since when has Harper EVER done anything that doesn't serve his own agenda? I can't believe that moron got majority.

Whether you like it or not, the USA remains Canada's biggest strading partner, and is likely to remain so for a very long time -

Here's another article detailing a bit more what is expected to be in it:

Measures under discussion include:

A "one-stop shopping" window for importers who now have to deal with up to half a dozen government agencies.

Less paperwork for companies that could receive duty-free treatment for shipments but currently don't bother because of the hassle.

Special visas for certain business travellers and more emphasis on frequent-traveller and trusted-shipper programs.

Detailed benchmarks that will bring each country's food and auto industries in line.

Synchronized planning at land border-crossings, where there is now little international co-ordination. "The U.S. is expanding in some areas that the Canadians are shrinking, and the Canadians are expanding in some areas where the U.S. is shrinking," said a source. "There's going to be an effort to co-ordinate on that."

This will require Canada to make new, potentially expensive investments in screening and security technologies to keep pace with the Americans. The two countries will have to come up with a joint plan for future spending.

An eventual deal is not expected to include full-scale harmonization of immigration and refugee policies — a possibility that has raised the hackles of critics who fear the deal will cede Canadian sovereignty to the Americans.

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A lot of it is going towards making trade easier, and also less hassle for travelers - if you are Canadian, or have entered Canada, then it looks like it should be easier to cross the border with the USA because Canadian immigration procedures will be closer to US ones - probably more emphasis on biometric passports, etc.

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Whether you like it or not, the USA remains Canada's biggest strading partner, and is likely to remain so for a very long time -

Here's another article detailing a bit more what is expected to be in it:

Measures under discussion include:

A "one-stop shopping" window for importers who now have to deal with up to half a dozen government agencies.

Less paperwork for companies that could receive duty-free treatment for shipments but currently don't bother because of the hassle.

Special visas for certain business travellers and more emphasis on frequent-traveller and trusted-shipper programs.

Detailed benchmarks that will bring each country's food and auto industries in line.

Synchronized planning at land border-crossings, where there is now little international co-ordination. "The U.S. is expanding in some areas that the Canadians are shrinking, and the Canadians are expanding in some areas where the U.S. is shrinking," said a source. "There's going to be an effort to co-ordinate on that."

This will require Canada to make new, potentially expensive investments in screening and security technologies to keep pace with the Americans. The two countries will have to come up with a joint plan for future spending.

An eventual deal is not expected to include full-scale harmonization of immigration and refugee policies — a possibility that has raised the hackles of critics who fear the deal will cede Canadian sovereignty to the Americans.

www.cbc.ca...

A lot of it is going towards making trade easier, and also less hassle for travelers - if you are Canadian, or have entered Canada, then it looks like it should be easier to cross the border with the USA because Canadian immigration procedures will be closer to US ones - probably more emphasis on biometric passports, etc.

Sounds like the same bill of goods we got sold on with NAFTA.

Wasn't that enough of an eye opener to show that it's now the same pack of BS wrapped up in "It's all good for the citizens" crap again?

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Hmm, I wonder what screening and security technologies we Canadians are going to be needing to update... Hopefully no TSA-esque installments coming in the future

Excellent.... excellent....

We've finally annexed Canada, and without a single shot fired.

Originally posted by Ex_CT2
Excellent.... excellent....

We've finally annexed Canada, and without a single shot fired.

Wait...

We are a sneaky bunch and you just won't see it coming. Either from us or the other "Not so pleased" Nations from around the World.

All Empires fall in time.

It ain't over yet.

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Well, we've all had a long time to get used to the idea.

2004: US Brokers Continental Corporate Takeover

2005: The Patriot Act 2, Immigration and NORTHCOM.

2005: Patriot Act II. Update

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You have to wonder how we have let these @sshats like Harper get away with this kind of crap for so long. Why is it they think they can make up new rules, treaties and laws without our permission, when if not for us, they wouldn't even exist.

And since "we, the people" have created these monsters through apathy and inaction, maybe it's time we lost the apathy and acted and we fired them. You know what they say, "Those who can destroy a thing, control a thing."

Cheers - Dave

It will harmonize a plethora of regulations and safety standards in the automobile, food and other industries

This is a scary part of the agreement IMO. Canada's food inspection is far more stringent than the USA's. With this agreement we will have to lower our standards to the US levels. This means that, in these times of increasing food borne illness, there will only be more and more contaminated food hitting our store shelves.

It would make more sense to increase the standards of the USA to match that of Canada. However, that would cost companies too much money and we all know that Harper does not want to impinge on the corporate bottom line. Even at the cost of the health of citizens.

Originally posted by Ex_CT2
Excellent.... excellent....

We've finally annexed Canada, and without a single shot fired.

ya but we may go down there and burn your capital again

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
A lot of it is going towards making trade easier,

Mulroney said that about the FTA back in 1994. Then there was a national referendum held to kill the FTA, the majority voted against it, and Mulroney pushed it through the night before he left office. Then what happened? US corporations started buying up and downsizing national Canadian business and industry (what else would happen when a country signs an investor's rights agreement with an empire ten times its size?).

I believe it was something like 600,000 jobs lost in the first year alone, followed by deficits. Of course the conservative pawns are claiming more integration with the US will mean more benefits for Canada- they happen to be well connected with the financial elite from both countries who are the ones who benefit the most while regular Canadians have to bend to American corporate demands (NAFTA gave corporations the right to sue governments, and the US uses this right more than others simply due to its size). Harper and Bilderberg Group, anyone?

Further neo-con agenda reading:
‘Now for the Hard Part’: A User's Guide to Renewing the Canadian-American Partnership (Strategic Studies Working Group)

TheComte-
This is a scary part of the agreement IMO. Canada's food inspection is far more stringent than the USA's. With this agreement we will have to lower our standards to the US levels. This means that, in these times of increasing food borne illness, there will only be more and more contaminated food hitting our store shelves.

That's right. In Canada, our government is mostly in charge of food standards and safety protocols. In the US, that falls into the hands of private interests, including corporations that fill the shoes of government observers of industry. What happens when corporations regulate corporations? They work only in the interest of profit, a legally-binding direction. Now it looks like corporations will be able to fight the Canadian government when it tries to continue regulating Canadian food, because neo-liberals have a hard on for keeping the state out of profitable affairs.

um.. is this not the SPP - Security Prosperity Partnership agreement?! Or a twisted version of it, as have there not been a few - that the people have said no to and they've had to change the name yet again, or am I thinking of the "trade barriers" that had been eliminated as part of the TILMA campaign that had to change its name to be fully "accepted"...

C'mon folks - this is the beginning of the faster loss of our resources and jobs.
This will soon include Mexico. And the addition of more factories in Mexico, as more companies move there - it will be much easier for them now.

They are currently constructing warehouses etc on the new "super corridor".

You don't think its going to help the infamous Keystone pipeline from going through??

i don't see what either side is going to improve on anything.....both canadian and us customs....no matter where you cross the border at...whether it be on the michigan side, or the new your side....are a farce, at best...doesn't matter if you have everything in order, or not....if they don't even like the way you look, you're in for a rough time...try being detained and questioned over and over about the same crap, for 10 hours for no damn reason, and see how you feel..i've had my vehicle torn apart twice, all because i was bringing donuts back into the states...no joke..i have no respect for canadian or american customs...they can rot in hell, as far as i'm concerned

police working either side of the border, military radar along the border, unmanned drones patrolling the border, tougher laws for a lot of non-violent BS...

canada is no more