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Game OVER, Debunkers can run away. Mind programming and conditioning being deployed!
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Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by aBlueRAY
Tanker enemy presents truths....
(face/palm). "...truths"..?? Then, answer this: WHY does "tankerenemy" censor the posted comments on his YouTube videos??
uummm...-so tankerenemy wont have to read video responses from people like yourself?
And, if you didn't already know the answer to that, check out his requests for "donations" on his personal website!
-So what? websties cost money to run. Just because he asks for donations doesn't damage his credibility.
For example just 2 days ago I witnessed a jet produce a persistant contrail which looked like a double helix or a spiral.
You do realize the effects that winds can have on contrails, correct? Do you also know that every airplane wing produces a vortex at the tips? A sort of "horizontal tornado". A swirling of air that, in certain situations, affect the contrails, if they happen to interact together. Again, this depends entirely on the way the air currents are moving, in any given place and time.
Read about Wingtip Vortices
Here is a video that shows some of the research conducted into wingtip vortices. They use a standing tower device to spray colored smoke that the jet flies through, so the effects can then be seen:
Here, you see an example from an Air Show, produced by a small single-engine propeller airplane. This is the display smoke, not a true contrail of course. The conditions where contrails form, and their composition, are very different than seen here:
Make note: Very important to see that in the above video, we KNOW that airplane is actually "spraying" something....oil smoke. But, you can see how it is immediately visible, right AT the edge of the wing (in this case).
Look at each and every claim of "chemtrails".....even that charlatan "tankerenemy"....the contrails ALWAYS form directly behind the engines, and dozens of feet aft.
- hmm cool videos, but nope! You are wrong. I witnessed the jet do the spiral maneuver myself. It started to spiral down and down and down, flying in a circle descending in altitude towards the water. Jets of this size should not be pulling off stunts like this.
www.governmentplaysgod.com...
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--Off Topic, One Liners and General Back Scratching Posts--
reply to post by aBlueRAY
Fabulous thread and you are working well at deflecting the detractors.
Art is one of the original forms of communication and to try and explain that to a person who is in the unawakened state is impossible. Art is the most direct way to mind control as is television. Keep up the good work of sharing your information. The world is full of people ready to knock a person down for sharing something important but I can bet - when the time comes - they will be the same people screaming - Why didn't anyone tell me? Then we will - with grace and humility - start from the beginning and patiently explain - just as all Teachers do.
Thank you.
Much Peace...
Fabulous thread and you are working well at deflecting the detractors.
Art is one of the original forms of communication and to try and explain that to a person who is in the unawakened state is impossible. Art is the most direct way to mind control as is television. Keep up the good work of sharing your information. The world is full of people ready to knock a person down for sharing something important but I can bet - when the time comes - they will be the same people screaming - Why didn't anyone tell me? Then we will - with grace and humility - start from the beginning and patiently explain - just as all Teachers do.
Thank you.
Much Peace...
reply to post by aBlueRAY
But he doesn't present stuff as an illustration though, does he. He presents it as actual evidence of the truth of what he's saying, then it's found to be faked. He only needs to do that if he's either telling lies or he believes in it only as an act of faith and is desperate to get others to follow his path. That element may be similar to the Bible, but the Bible isn't only a collection of fictional stories, it can also be used to impart strong values and guide someone to live their life in the right way by teaching tolerance and fairness etc, Tankerenemy is more like Hammer Films, lots of scary stories without any substance behind them.
In stark contrast to what many on your side seem to think about debunkers in general, I have absolutely no doubt that a government would use any means at its disposal against its own people if it felt the need to. Here in Britain I was Baton charged by mounted police during the Miners Strike of 1984. Search online for the "Battle of Orgreave" if you wish to see what I refer to. I have seen my own local Vicar being chased away from the picket line by snarling slavering police dogs. I do not occupy any sort of delusional comfort zone.
However that does not then translate into automatic acceptance of any theory at all so long as it pits the elite against the people. Truth and reality are vitally important, if one starts chasing a fantasy, they have already won.
This is why fakery, such as practised by tanker enemy actually works AGAINST you, if you could but see it.
This is why I will denounce fakery and lies when I see it and why the call for real evidence is STILL out there, unsated. The real truth about chemtrails is that the methodology presented for its deployment by jets traversing busy air lanes and pointing to every contrail in the sky as evidence is utterly false, and I believe, deliberately so.
But he doesn't present stuff as an illustration though, does he. He presents it as actual evidence of the truth of what he's saying, then it's found to be faked. He only needs to do that if he's either telling lies or he believes in it only as an act of faith and is desperate to get others to follow his path. That element may be similar to the Bible, but the Bible isn't only a collection of fictional stories, it can also be used to impart strong values and guide someone to live their life in the right way by teaching tolerance and fairness etc, Tankerenemy is more like Hammer Films, lots of scary stories without any substance behind them.
In stark contrast to what many on your side seem to think about debunkers in general, I have absolutely no doubt that a government would use any means at its disposal against its own people if it felt the need to. Here in Britain I was Baton charged by mounted police during the Miners Strike of 1984. Search online for the "Battle of Orgreave" if you wish to see what I refer to. I have seen my own local Vicar being chased away from the picket line by snarling slavering police dogs. I do not occupy any sort of delusional comfort zone.
However that does not then translate into automatic acceptance of any theory at all so long as it pits the elite against the people. Truth and reality are vitally important, if one starts chasing a fantasy, they have already won.
This is why fakery, such as practised by tanker enemy actually works AGAINST you, if you could but see it.
This is why I will denounce fakery and lies when I see it and why the call for real evidence is STILL out there, unsated. The real truth about chemtrails is that the methodology presented for its deployment by jets traversing busy air lanes and pointing to every contrail in the sky as evidence is utterly false, and I believe, deliberately so.
edit on 1-12-2011 by waynos because: (no reason given)
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
That's the easy way out...............research chemtrails, fluoride and other stuff in the water, and outer space platforms being built.
I've done thousands of hours of research, thousands of books and articles..............and you ?
Again, put down that remote, that XBox, that HP / Twilight novel, that cell phone (research cell towers and mind control)
Tired of trying to wake you sleeping beauties up...................most of you want to remain asleep in the matrix and have no desire to realize or end your enslavement.
Lots of luck, you will need it.
I'll start you off with some light reading.
Rise of the Fourth Reich by Jim Marrs........pages 47, 194-196, 198-200, 201-203, 329, 331-333,
Virtual Government: CIA Mind Control Operations in America by Alex Constantine
Journey Into Madness: The True Story of Secret CIA Mind Control and Medical Abuse by Gordon Thomas
www.wanttoknow.info...
video.google.com...
Thanks For The Memories by Brice Taylor
Now as crazy (and the book by Ms. Taylor / aka: Susan Ford) is a wild read....sounds - she names names, Presidents, Princes, Politicians, World leaders, famous people - and not one of them has taken her to court on slander.
Why?
That might open a whole new can of worms called "discovery" / investigation while just ignoring her accusations, the people named know that this subject will simply go away.
The human brain is nothing more than a organic computer......................and can be infiltrated via chemicals, sound, waves, etc and yes - keep thinking your thoughts are your own.
A slave that does not realize they are enslaved will never try to rebel.
A prisoner that does not realize they are imprisoned will never try to escape.
Do your own research...................lots of it because mind conditioning and control has been a fact since WWII, it's called psychological warfare.
And now TPTB (Whoever they are) are using it to control the masses.
That's the easy way out...............research chemtrails, fluoride and other stuff in the water, and outer space platforms being built.
I've done thousands of hours of research, thousands of books and articles..............and you ?
Again, put down that remote, that XBox, that HP / Twilight novel, that cell phone (research cell towers and mind control)
Tired of trying to wake you sleeping beauties up...................most of you want to remain asleep in the matrix and have no desire to realize or end your enslavement.
Lots of luck, you will need it.
I'll start you off with some light reading.
Rise of the Fourth Reich by Jim Marrs........pages 47, 194-196, 198-200, 201-203, 329, 331-333,
Virtual Government: CIA Mind Control Operations in America by Alex Constantine
Journey Into Madness: The True Story of Secret CIA Mind Control and Medical Abuse by Gordon Thomas
www.wanttoknow.info...
video.google.com...
Thanks For The Memories by Brice Taylor
Now as crazy (and the book by Ms. Taylor / aka: Susan Ford) is a wild read....sounds - she names names, Presidents, Princes, Politicians, World leaders, famous people - and not one of them has taken her to court on slander.
Why?
That might open a whole new can of worms called "discovery" / investigation while just ignoring her accusations, the people named know that this subject will simply go away.
The human brain is nothing more than a organic computer......................and can be infiltrated via chemicals, sound, waves, etc and yes - keep thinking your thoughts are your own.
A slave that does not realize they are enslaved will never try to rebel.
A prisoner that does not realize they are imprisoned will never try to escape.
Do your own research...................lots of it because mind conditioning and control has been a fact since WWII, it's called psychological warfare.
And now TPTB (Whoever they are) are using it to control the masses.
edit on 1-12-2011 by ofhumandescent because: (no reason given)
reply to post by adeclerk
Depends on the source.
Documented fact (government release) that yes mind "conditioning" is a real fact.
And no, in answer to your sarcastic and snide remark, I don't believe everything I read.
But, I've read enough to see a over all big picture emerging that yes Jessica there is a Santa Claus.
Is something automatically true if you read it?
Depends on the source.
Documented fact (government release) that yes mind "conditioning" is a real fact.
And no, in answer to your sarcastic and snide remark, I don't believe everything I read.
But, I've read enough to see a over all big picture emerging that yes Jessica there is a Santa Claus.
edit on 1-12-2011 by ofhumandescent
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reply to post by Amanda5
Good post and yes, I believe TV is one of the biggest means now of mind conditioning.
I don't watch or even like to be in the same room as my husband with his behemoth monster TV and notice as go down the hallway into the kitchen (living room is off to the side) the flickering now with the new TV's is insane.........something about the amount of flickering, don't know what else to call it.
I've also read studies where in the flickering does something to the human brain that puts one in a hypnotic state.
Watch your dog........mine buries her head (just like our previous one did) under her cover or comes and lays in the back office on the floor with me either reading or on the PC.
And (IMO) most of TV is propaganda.
Good post and yes, I believe TV is one of the biggest means now of mind conditioning.
I don't watch or even like to be in the same room as my husband with his behemoth monster TV and notice as go down the hallway into the kitchen (living room is off to the side) the flickering now with the new TV's is insane.........something about the amount of flickering, don't know what else to call it.
Source of article: www.escapetheillusion.com...
Digital TV – Mind Control by the Sound of Silence Written by Escape The IllusionEscape The Illusion 29 Comments29 Comments Comments Last Updated: January 12, 2009 A True Ott, PhD, ND Editor’s Note This is an extremely timely and important essay It overviews a secret Pentagon psychotronics technology known as Silent Sound Spread Spectrum (SSSS) that has been fully operational since the early 1990s. I first found out about the use of this technology from Al Bielek in a 1992 video he made with Vladimir Terziski. This technology was used against battle-hardened Iraqi troops fortified in deep underground bunkers in Kuwait and Iraq in the first Gulf War in January of 1991.
The physical, emotional, and psychological effects of this technology were so severe that hundreds of thousands of Iraqi troops surrendered en masse without firing even a single shot against US led coalition forces.
Ken Adachi, EducateYourself.org
I've also read studies where in the flickering does something to the human brain that puts one in a hypnotic state.
Watch your dog........mine buries her head (just like our previous one did) under her cover or comes and lays in the back office on the floor with me either reading or on the PC.
And (IMO) most of TV is propaganda.
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Originally posted by waynos
reply to post by aBlueRAY
But he doesn't present stuff as an illustration though, does he. He presents it as actual evidence of the truth of what he's saying, then it's found to be faked. He only needs to do that if he's either telling lies or he believes in it only as an act of faith and is desperate to get others to follow his path. That element may be similar to the Bible, but the Bible isn't only a collection of fictional stories, it can also be used to impart strong values and guide someone to live their life in the right way by teaching tolerance and fairness etc, Tankerenemy is more like Hammer Films, lots of scary stories without any substance behind them.
Until you can get up there and test the chemical composition of each contrail we see in the sky, I am sure this argument of chemtrail vs contrail will exist.
Why should you have any faith in the Government right now, look at what you have experienced in the past, look at what is happening currently in our world. Chemtrails are just one of the pieces of the iceberg, and actually one of the least of our problems; I believe considering some of the other advancements currently taking place.
And if tanker enemy is so disturbing to you, and maybe not so accurate, than maby you will enjoy reading EVERY SINGLE document on www.holmestead.ca... as I have done. And I mean ALL of the documents. ALLLLLLL of them.
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Originally posted by waynos
reply to post by aBlueRAY
But he doesn't present stuff as an illustration though, does he.
If you forgot to read my last post on a previous page.....
Entering the 60's was PRIMETIME for mind control experiments.
Excuse me now, but if you believe that out of the extensive research conducted during this era; it had no effect and would be intangible proof to argue against a topic such as chemtrail conditioning and mind control, then you are a fool.
Lets party like its 1999 than shall we?
I remember late 90's being terribly worried about what I was considering to be a more frequent sighting of what would be a contrail that was flowing directly upwards into the sky, like a rocket test, but I could see the jet forming it. They never felt ok to me, its was a gut knowing that that got me questioning. However it is now 1999, and who cares about persistent contrails? Remember when the American Dream was just so dreamy still!
2000-2001 after 911 -> again now you are subject to an altered state of mind, fear is instilled in a population and the 'chemtrail program' or sightings of persistent contrails sky-rocketed. You are mentally distracted, and less likely to process what you see in the sky, rather you would go inside and catch up on the birth of a new war on 'TV' and chemtrail propaganda is highly effective at this time. You were also presented with the idea of "global warming" so many things for your mind to absorb from 2000 and up until eleven years later...
Present Day -> Full blown deployment, altered skies all over the globe. And you will know them when you see them! The conditioning resulting from the 1960's investigation and deployment of human mind control was a success for the government. They made a huge return on the investment, and are able to have the liberty of watching, a battle between the population, those who believe and those who don't, and when the heat comes back at the Government, they just have to play the denial and cold shoulder with a smile card. But hey when the people place the heat on the government it doesn't really matter does it, seeing how it is a corporation, and not a person!
59 to 99 - that is 40 years to tame the beast which is the entire populous to be in the dark about the subject. A very reasonable number of years to hypnotize and entrap minds.
Which is all pretty much a pretty butch version of the history of chemtrail conditioning; ILLUSTRATED by me, designed with you in mind!
Originally posted by aBlueRAY
We are living in some wild times, and things get stranger every day! I like how the planes they chose for this advertisement arent even capable of producing contrails, they look like prop engine, not jet engine!
Hmmmm.....never seen any pictures of B-17s and B-29s, both prop aircraft, producing contrails in World War 2?
Don't need a jet engine to produce a contrail.
Originally posted by jerico65
Originally posted by aBlueRAY
We are living in some wild times, and things get stranger every day! I like how the planes they chose for this advertisement arent even capable of producing contrails, they look like prop engine, not jet engine!
Hmmmm.....never seen any pictures of B-17s and B-29s, both prop aircraft, producing contrails in World War 2?
Don't need a jet engine to produce a contrail.
I admit, a very regrettable post. I was so caught up in the find, and wasn't thinking for a second.
reply to post by ofhumandescent
Well. There is some nonsense, if I ever did see it.
If this mind control is powerful enough to make troops surrender, we could certainly see effects on our own citizens (since it is claimed to be used since the 1990s). Why don't we?
Well. There is some nonsense, if I ever did see it.
If this mind control is powerful enough to make troops surrender, we could certainly see effects on our own citizens (since it is claimed to be used since the 1990s). Why don't we?
reply to post by aBlueRAY
Jets of what "size"?
Where, and when? When you say "spiral" down, but then "descending in altitude"....well, you're just talking about an airplane in a constant-radius turn, while descending and changing altitude. This is perfectly normal....any pilot understands this simple concept.
- hmm cool videos, but nope! You are wrong. I witnessed the jet do the spiral maneuver myself. It started to spiral down and down and down, flying in a circle descending in altitude towards the water. Jets of this size should not be pulling off stunts like this.
Jets of what "size"?
Where, and when? When you say "spiral" down, but then "descending in altitude"....well, you're just talking about an airplane in a constant-radius turn, while descending and changing altitude. This is perfectly normal....any pilot understands this simple concept.
reply to post by ofhumandescent
Abject paranoia, much??
I've been watching TV for five decades (at least). Perhaps only those with weak minds can be "conditioned".....but, by far the majority of people are well able to "withstand" that.
Really, this is a fringe (failed) idea.....
Abject paranoia, much??
...I believe TV is one of the biggest means now of mind conditioning.
I've been watching TV for five decades (at least). Perhaps only those with weak minds can be "conditioned".....but, by far the majority of people are well able to "withstand" that.
Really, this is a fringe (failed) idea.....
Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by ofhumandescent
I've been watching TV for five decades (at least).
maybe this is why we are at such a stalemate.
Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by aBlueRAY
- hmm cool videos, but nope! You are wrong. I witnessed the jet do the spiral maneuver myself. It started to spiral down and down and down, flying in a circle descending in altitude towards the water. Jets of this size should not be pulling off stunts like this.
Jets of what "size"?
Where, and when? When you say "spiral" down, but then "descending in altitude"....well, you're just talking about an airplane in a constant-radius turn, while descending and changing altitude. This is perfectly normal....any pilot understands this simple concept.
As in a corkscrew flight pattern, then imagine the jet fly off in the same direction, only to do another 180 bank over my city, and then complete the pattern of the helix by spraying a second time! And the jet had 4 engines, so it was BIG
Originally posted by adeclerk
reply to post by ofhumandescent
Well. There is some nonsense, if I ever did see it.
If this mind control is powerful enough to make troops surrender, we could certainly see effects on our own citizens (since it is claimed to be used since the 1990s). Why don't we?
Because the same mind programing is used to make troops JOIN here. Not surrender. And it still is working to this day. So many able body workers joining the devils army, so sad.
Originally posted by aBlueRAY
Because the same mind programing is used to make troops JOIN here. Not surrender. And it still is working to this day. So many able body workers joining the devils army, so sad.
That is nonsense, and has no basis in evidence or reality. People join the military for a variety of reasons (patriotism, free college, they want socialised medical care for the remainder of their lives, etc). If I was able to join, you better believe it would be on my list of back up jobs. Maybe only because I'm not keen to working in the service industry.