The danger of the belief in Ron Paul.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by GenLo

 

It is paranoia. I have read and watched it all. Ignore me after two posts? How do you ever expect to open your mind if you close it off to anyone that disagrees with your position?

What you are putting forth is an incredibly weak argument against supporting Paul. So who do you suggest supporting if you don't think people should support Paul. If you say no one than just give up, your thread becomes irrelevant.

It's not paranoid, you just don't like it because you don't agree with it. The facts are Paul can't win. It's a rigged game. I campaigned for Paul in 2008 and I saw it with my own eyes.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Ya I'm ignoring you. I've already stated everything which would answer your questions and you don't have enough respect to read it.

You are insane if you don't get behind Ron Paul. You are under mind control if you don't believe he can win! - Alex Jones

Same rhetoric as a FOX news broadcaster and I'm paranoid? Ya you're definitely going to get no where in a discussion with me if you continue your lack of respect and repeat that I'm paranoid one more time.

reply to post by antonia


Was there ever a day when Paul was leading any primary state in 2008. Things have changed. People don't have all the delusions about some great hope as they did in 2008 with Obama. When countries get into situations like the one we are in the look to different types of leaders. It's history, it repeats itself, and it always happens that way. If people like you didn't give up he could very well win. I personally know 4 or 5 democrats that have changed parties to vote for him. It is a completely different ball game than 08. Not saying he will win the nomination, but if he does win the nomination he will win the presidency.

reply to post by GenLo


I don't like Alex Jones at all. I don't know why you thought it was relevant? And just because he said it in such a crazy matter of fact manner doesn't mean it can't be true.

I am not saying you are paranoid, I am just saying it's a paranoid thought to think that their is some conspiracy involving Ron Paul. Getting caught up in some hegelian dialectic isn't going to solve the problem we are in. Only picking a possible solution and running with it. The first step in the most apparent solution right now is trying our best to get Ron Paul into office.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by antonia

 

Was there ever a day when Paul was leading any primary state in 2008. Things have changed. People don't have all the delusions about some great hope as they did in 2008 with Obama. When countries get into situations like the one we are in the look to different types of leaders. It's history, it repeats itself, and it always happens that way. If people like you didn't give up he could very well win. I personally know 4 or 5 democrats that have changed parties to vote for him. It is a completely different ball game than 08. Not saying he will win the nomination, but if he does win the nomination he will win the presidency.

Oh yes he did almost have a shot at winning a primary in 2008. All of this rhetoric is the same. Democrats were changing party then too. There is nothing different about this. As for people like me, when you hear a delegate say they will change their vote if Ron Paul wins to ensure he is not nominated then you'll see just what he is up against.

reply to post by GenLo

You have to understand that whatever game they are playing, that you are apart of, you and everyone else, are playing under THEIR RULES. You just don't want to quit the game though. You think that there will be some error, or apparently, a player who can win the game.

Well this is some nice theory but we live in the real world. In the real world, something like that won't happen. Sure you can ``quit the game`` with a bunch of people, but that won't change the whole system and there's no way even 10% will quit the system.

And even if you do quit the system, you will ignore it and the system will continue to grow till they got you because you didn't fight it and ignored it for all these years.

Fight the system or be absorbed by it, it's your only choice. Ignoring it will not make the problem go away.

reply to post by antonia


How can you say there isn't a difference? The whole Obama debacle has left a huge impression. That is a very important difference. He built the American people up soooo much to let them down so hard. It is a HUGE difference.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by antonia

 

How can you say there isn't a difference? The whole Obama debacle has left a huge impression. That is a very important difference. He built the American people up soooo much to let them down so hard. It is a HUGE difference.

In your mind there is, but I worked the ground. I can tell you there really isn't much of a difference. I heard the same crap then too "If we don't elect RP the whole country will fall". Democrats were changing party right and left to vote for him. I heard it straight from the mouth of a GOP delegate that if he won the primary they would simply cast their vote for another candidate. They are saying the same thing this time too.

I'll tell you what, when Romney wins I'll post a thread entitled "I told you so" and i bet 90% of you will come in there with the same "the game is rigged" argument.

reply to post by Vitchilo


Buddy nobody said ignore it. You can't ignore it, especially with what's happening to people trying to live off the grid with both the local and state authority going after them.

There are steps that have to be taken. I can't explain it all. It's too complex for someone such as myself. That isn't the point of this thread anyway. The whole point of this thread is to make people aware of their hypocritic nature and ignorance.

Again repeating myself, the game is rigged and has been from the start but even though you know this you're going to keep playing. Civil disobedience and non-compliance is one way of causing lag in the game. The more that participate the harder it is for the game to function. If everyone quit there jobs tomorrow and went out into the streets it would cease the game from functioning, however this leaves the components still firing. Such a scenario is not going to happen though and such a step is not enough to beat the game, only stop it momentarily before the components manage to reconfigure and launch again.

Again, It's too complex for me to explain all the necessary steps that our needed to shut this down completely. I'm not concerned however. I think RP will be chosen however there will not be enough time for anything that matters to be implimented. Less you make the decision that you belong here such things may continue in this matter until it is fixed and eventually the entire world heals or you simply end up in the equivalent of "hell" on Earth.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


I like what Antonia said. See's exactly what is going to happen. If Romney is selected as president this forum is going to be full of complaints about how the system is rigged! Oh but if RP wins oh obviously it was by the outstanding will of the people!

I mean the # else needs to be spelled out? You're either ignorant of how the system has been used time and time again even with similar characters to RP or you're a #ing hypocrite who will accuse the system of being rigged and then turn a blind eye to that fact and think to yourself, "Oh yeah RevoLution man. RP is the man he's going to set things straight because the system that has been around for over 1000 years is collapsing. They don't know the power of the people! They never saw a guy like RP coming!"

I wonder... what the masses thought throughout time after a succesful revolt or revolution in which they actually may have decapitated there former ruler or dictator...? Of course they were just stupid peasants/third world educated people, it's so different in the here and now.

Not trying to be a downer. It's just that faith in RP is like this or simply like an incomplete thought. RP is in office, now what. Radical reformations, that would not be made, would have to take place in his span of 4 or 8 years of presidency. He would have to usurp the house and senate to get things done properly! Hey, let's play ignorant to that though, lets pretend they will support him 100%! No beuracracy or red tape! Guess what? Ron Paul survives a term in office but what is this? Election comes again and the two party system is still in place but the people must be soo enlightened now right? Surely nothing like the media is under control anymore! Ron Paul abolished the Fed just as promised! There is no longer a federal currency! Yay! What replaces it? Oh right! We go back to the gold and silver standard right? We'll just open up Fort Nox what the hell. All the corpratocracies just back on out cause RP is in the HOUSE! Hey weed is legal too and in the hands of big pharma and big tabacco industries lets smoke that GMO # and just say, "# it!"

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Originally posted by GenLo
Just want to re-state: Here is a candidate that has captured the trust of the nation for the nations distrust in the system and yet they continue using the system to place someone in the system who is probably already apart of the system.

i have brought this up many times before - i am going to vote for ron paul but i always have stated that he works for the federal corporation known as The United States of America - the 50 states are not included - we are an asset of this corporation - potential interest paying fools -

people should look into this and it cleared lots up for me -

he is an employee of the federal corporation - www.usavsus.info...

i started a thread on another site about this very thing - not sure if it is on ats or not - might want to search it out - i'll try and give you a link to my thread but i think ats censors it out - but here goes - --.com...

Thanks Dan.

More rationality with Max Igan:

More to tell you that you shouldn't be so oblivious.

Obama and Days of captivity

Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj

"As I was praying, an angel of the Lord appeared to me. And the angel I recognized was the same angel I saw, I think in the year 2000… the chief prince angel of the United States of America. And he visited me that morning, and he told me Obama will be elected to office. I was shocked. I said, “That’s not what we want.” … Then he said, “Days of captivity are appointed for this nation, and he is the man who will carry it out.” … And I pleaded with the angel; I said, “Look, how can that be? What about all the prayers that are going on in this nation?” (Although largely the church doesn’t pray, there are pockets of people who sincerely take hold of God here and there and there.) He looked at me with, I don’t want to use the word amused look, but, the look on his face was like he didn’t believe what I was saying. He said, “You don’t know what is actually going on in the Christian tradition in this nation. They don’t actually pray, taking hold of God, but they are just playing church, playing praying. And he said, “This is the message I want you to bring to the church: days of captivity.”

"So the first message that was given to me is “days of captivity”. Now the second message is this: “days of persecution”. This is the second word the angel brought unto me."

"Tell them these two things. The nation will go into captivity. The church will go into captivity, but it is for good. Out of the captivity the fire will separate the wheat from the tares. See, this is the ultimate goal that God has."
"So how to purify the church? So God has to put someone in office who will make life difficult for us. And when life is made difficult for us, we will be forced to bend our knees and cry out to God…."

Source: What’s Next: the Obama Presidency
(A working link to audio MP3 is in comments)

Decreed by the Watchers

Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj
"So when the angel of the United States of America came and stood before me, …I tremble and quake every time I see an angel of a nation, he told me, “An awesome judgment is going to come upon America very soon.” An awesome judgment. When he spoke, I felt a fear, a Godly fear running through my bones and my spirit. This is not a judgment that would destroy the entire nation, but something quite similar to what happened with the twin towers."

"My dear brothers and sisters, I tell you one more truth today. As the chief prince angel of the United States of America stood before me, he said, “Like the angels that went out to spy out Sodom and Gomorrah, a host of angels are walking the length and breadth of your country, spying out the land in a similar manner to how the two angels did (at Sodom).”

"I was in the nation of Indonesia... On the first day that I was in that nation, the chief prince angel over Indonesia entered into my room, and he said, “Whatever has happened in this nation has been decreed and ordered by the watchers in Heaven. They decreed and they said, let there be a change.” And overnight, the dictator of thirty-two years was overthrown. Overnight -- it did not happen over a long period of time. Overnight, he was overthrown -- decreed by the Watchers...." "You (America) are in that stage (or situation) right now, and your only appeal is to the Heavenly Father. The final pardon is in His hands."

Source: PROPHETIC MESSAGE TO THE CHURCH

JERUSALEM WILL BE DIVIDED

Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj
The city is going to be divided very soon. This is what you shall share and this is what is going to happen. And this is what is going to happen very soon now. It is going to be divided very soon.

Israel's closest ally will set a political trap for the city to be captured. (ZC NOTE - The USA is Israel's closest ally, and we KNOW Obama hates Israel.

I saw a vision what is going to happen to the United States of America which leads in this separation of Jerusalem. A mighty angel with a drawn sword said, This will be the judgment upon this nation who will turn her back against God's people! And with that, with the sword he pierced the very center of the land and cut it asunder.

Source: JERUSALEM WILL BE DIVIDED

Japan Tsunami Prophecy

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Hmmm... Hate to say I told you so. Ron Paul doesn't vote against the NDAA and now Rand Paul literally selling out supporters.

Keep your fantasys. Keep your hope of working within the corrupt system.

Yeah... I sure was paranoid. Score one for the skeptics.