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Originally posted by samsamm9
The prophet Muhammad's(PBUH) last words...
Originally posted by samsamm9
reply to post by smallpeeps
Wow .. First of all, you're wrong... Islam is not a gay religion like you said.
Stoning women is a Christian concept, not Islam.
Unfortunately in Islam also stoning is mentionned, but for men or women.
Look it up !
And what is this propanganda about Muhammad ?
What you said is very offensive. I just don't understand why repeat non sense that you heard from a so called author ... Don't know what you're talking about ..
Don't you understand not every Muslim agree on the same points and not every muslim is the same?
Originally posted by Taz2122
Stoning is an abrahamitic concept. All of the big three (Judaism, Christianity and Islam)
Originally posted by Taz2122
Who gives a %&@# if you religious nutcases find things offensive?
Originally posted by smallpeeps
Originally posted by Taz2122
Stoning is an abrahamitic concept. All of the big three (Judaism, Christianity and Islam)
You are failing to mention that only Jesus, actually broke up a stoning of a "whore", and told the stone throwers to go f themselves.
You forgot that key difference between Jesus and those Abrahamists you mentioned.
Traditional Christianity believed that the statements attributed to St. Paul in I Timothy 2--that women were created second, sinned first, and should keep silence--were the universal consensus of the early Church and its founder, Jesus. Women, traditionalists believed, should simply accept these teachings as true.
Originally posted by samsamm9
Traditional Christianity believed that the statements attributed to St. Paul in I Timothy 2--that women were created second, sinned first, and should keep silence--were the universal consensus of the early Church and its founder, Jesus. Women, traditionalists believed, should simply accept these teachings as true.
Originally posted by smallpeeps
Originally posted by Taz2122
Stoning is an abrahamitic concept. All of the big three (Judaism, Christianity and Islam)
You are failing to mention that only Jesus, actually broke up a stoning of a "whore", and told the stone throwers to go f themselves.
You forgot that key difference between Jesus and those Abrahamists you mentioned.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by samsamm9
The prophet Muhammad's(PBUH) last words...
MORE of Islams words about women ....
Abu Dawud (2142) - "The Prophet said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife"
Qur'an (38:44) - "And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath."
Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them."
Scourge them. Not a religion I'd pick for myself.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by samsamm9
The prophet Muhammad's(PBUH) last words...
MORE of Islams words about women ....
Abu Dawud (2142) - "The Prophet said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife"
Qur'an (38:44) - "And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath."
Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them."
Scourge them. Not a religion I'd pick for myself.
Christianity is misogynistic. Misogyny is fundamental to the basic writings of Christianity. In passage after passage, women are encouraged—no, commanded—to accept an inferior role, and to be ashamed of themselves for the simple fact that they are women. Misogynistic biblical passages are so common that it’s difficult to know which to cite. From the New Testament we find "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church. . . ." (Ephesians 5:22–23) and "These [redeemed] are they which were not defiled with women; . . ." (Revelation 14:4); and from the Old Testament we find "How then can man be justified with God? Or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?" (Job 25:4) Other relevant New Testament passages include Colossians 3:18; 1 Peter 3:7; 1 Corinthians 11:3, 11:9, and 14:34; and 1 Timothy 2:11–12 and 5:5–6. Other Old Testament passages include Numbers 5:20–22 and Leviticus 12:2–5 and 15:17–33.
Later Christian writers extended the misogynistic themes in the Bible with a vengeance. Tertullian, one of the early church fathers, wrote: In pain shall you bring forth children, woman, and you shall turn to your husband and he shall rule over you. And do you not know that you are Eve? God’s sentence hangs still over all your sex and His punishment weighs down upon you. You are the devil’s gateway; you are she who first violated the forbidden tree and broke the law of God. It was you who coaxed your way around him whom the devil had not the force to attack. With what ease you shattered that image of God: Man! Because of the death you merited, even the Son of God had to die. . . . Woman, you are the gate to hell.
This misogynistic bias in Christianity’s basic texts has long been translated into misogyny in practice. Throughout almost the entire time that Christianity had Europe and America in its lock grip, women were treated as chattel—they had essentially no political rights, and their right to own property was severely restricted. Perhaps the clearest illustration of the status of women in the ages when Christianity was at its most powerful is the prevalence of wife beating. This degrading, disgusting practice was very common throughout Christendom well up into the 19th century, and under English Common Law husbands who beat their wives were specifically exempted from prosecution. (While wife beating is still common in Christian lands, at least in some countries abusers are at least sometimes prosecuted.)
In Matthew 25:1 Jesus says: "At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom." In John 20:17 Jesus says to Mary: "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father," as though the touch of a woman is somehow improper, but a few verses later, is happy to have Thomas touch him. In Genesis chapter 3, God punishes Eve, and all women for thousands of years, with greatly increased pain during childbirth. No such pain is inflicted on Adam. In Ephesians 5:22-24 we find this: "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything." In 1 Peter 3:7 we find: "Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers." In 1 John 2:13, John says, "I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, dear children, because you have known the Father." No mention is made of women.
Originally posted by VerityPhantom
I respect that she is standing up for womens' rights in her country but she could have probably done it without the nakedness.
Originally posted by samsamm9
In Matthew 25:1 Jesus says: "At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom."
In John 20:17 Jesus says to Mary: "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father,"
^^ MEANS NOTHING, YOU SLANDER JESUS TO SAY HE HATES WOMEN AS THE TALMUDIST AND MOHAMMEDAN DO...
In Genesis chapter 3, God punishes Eve, and all women for thousands of years, with greatly increased pain during childbirth. No such pain is inflicted on Adam.
^^ YES THE ABRAHAMIC FAITHS DO BLAME WOMEN FOR ALL EVIL... BUT JESUS TRIED TO CHANGE THAT ...NO THANKS TO YOU
In Ephesians 5:22-24 we find this:
1 Peter 3:7 we find:
1 John 2:13
^^ THE PEOPLE WHO CAME AFTER JESUS (INCLUDING M'HEMED) HAVE NO RIGHT TO ADD TO JESUS' LIFE STORY. PAUL, PETER, MOHAMMED --ALL SURF ON THE SURFBOARD OFJESUS' LIFE. WHY CAN'T THEY BE ORIGINAL RATHER THAN ADDING WIMMEN HATING CRAP WHERE THERE WASN'T ANY? JESUS HATES THESE MEN FOR DOING SO, IMO.
Originally posted by NuclearPaul
Originally posted by VerityPhantom
I respect that she is standing up for womens' rights in her country but she could have probably done it without the nakedness.
The nakedness was a good idea, IMO. There is nothing wrong with a naked body.
What she shouldn't have done is wear the stockings and high heels. I think that distorted her message a bit.
Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by samsamm9
The woman in question is doing herself far more harm than good posting photos of herself naked; has she no shame? Quite frankly, I'm disgusted by her.
Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by samsamm9
The woman in question is doing herself far more harm than good posting photos of herself naked; has she no shame? Quite frankly, I'm disgusted by her.
Originally posted by Helixer
Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by samsamm9
The woman in question is doing herself far more harm than good posting photos of herself naked; has she no shame? Quite frankly, I'm disgusted by her.
Whoever this "naked women" really is, she is an enemy of the Egyptian people and their struggle for freedom.edit on 29-12-2011 by Helixer because: sp