Earth off it's axis?

reply to post by wellsybelieves

It's almost December and when I drive to work around 8am it's already light enough to just have my headlights on half and if it's a sunny day not at all.

Call me crazy but I'm sure it is dark at that time of the morning every single other year of my life!

Are you confusing this with your experience last month? In October, the UK was still in "Summer Time" (the equivalent to the USA's "Daylight Savings Time").

Did you all set your clocks back one hour, on 30th October??

Because, doing that means when it is "8AM" now it is the same as "7AM" back in October. In terms of where the Sun is above the horizon. At this time of year, and when viewed from your latitude above the Equator.

Read about British Summer Time.

lol, i just watched the film, the day the earth caught fire, its an oldie but a goodie, im in Scotland and haven't noticed any real change here.



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Originally posted by goinglocodowninacapulco
reply to post by Frira

 

We write it because we don't know, and if we didn't talk about it, wonder and ask about it, we wouldn't get a clearer view in our minds. Also it's hard to know who to believe when i've heard of things of so called '' people in the know'' that other people say is complete crap.

Well, you are right.

I found the notice that all of the world's governments announced that the earth's axis would be changed today by 25 degrees.

The notice had been available for the past nine months. I found it in the dark cellar of the local planning office, on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard.'

Surely, it must occur to someone that if the Earth went off its axis, or if the moon turned upside down, then it would not require debating it on ATS?

"Hey, I think the sun rose 15 minutes early today! I should check with ATS and get a consensus-- because the scientific community probably would not have noticed!"

Really?

I live in the Northeast U.S., and I drive my daughter to school every morning at around 7:45. It is ALWAYS light out at that time.

Here is a link to a sunrise table:

Sun or Moon Rise/Set Table for One Year

Note: When you use this table, you need to account for Daylight Savings Time, which this table does not do automatically ("Daylight Savings Time" is the U.S. version of England's "Summer Time"). Daylight savings for 2011 was from March 13 to December 6. For dates on this table during daylight savings, you must manually add 1 hour to the times.

Also, make sure you have "Sunrise/Sunset" chosen, as this table has an option for calculating Monnrise and Moonset.


Using that table when I plug the town that I live (which is at about 41.5° North latitude), I can see that the Sun never rises any later than 07:39 am DST. That occurred on Nov. 5th this year, which was the last day of "daylight savings time". The next day the clocks were turned back, and the Sun rose at 06:40 am EST. The earliest it rises during the year is at 05:28 am DST on July 14 and 15.

Therefore, where I live (at 41.5° north latitude) the Sun is already risen by 8:00 AM, no matter the day of the year.


Sunrise for Northest England:
I'm not sure where you (OP) live when you say "Northeast England", but I input the coordinates for Newcastle (Newcastle Upon Tyne) into this chart -- 54° 58' North, 1° 40' W. According to the chart, the Sun rose at 07:56 am today in Newcastle, so it was perfectly normal for it to have been light out, because the Sun is supposed to be up.

However, according to this cart, it looks as if there are in fact times during the year in Newcastle (and in other parts of Northeast England) that the Sun rises after 08:00 am. The Sun can rise as late as 08:31 am, and that occurs between Christmas Day through very early January.

So, there are about 2 months per year -- December and January -- the the Sun rises later than 08:00 am, and I suppose you may need headlights to drive during most of that time. However, for the other 10 months of the year from February until the last week of November, it is completely normal for the Sun to have risen before 08:00 am in Northeast England.

I live in the Pacific South West. Today I was out in jeans and a t-shirt. Had to turn the air conditioning on when I got home. I live at a bit of altitude and last year I remember how bitterly cold it was. Not New England cold but 40 to 50 degrees cold with overnight lows at times down to 20 degrees. (Farenheit.) The time changed about 3 weeks ago so when it's 4pm it's really 5pm. It's supposed to be dark here in this time zone in this location at 5pm. There were a couple of days this past week when it was dark it seemed like shortly after 4pm. Today the sun set at about 4:15pm and it's still twilight and will be for a bit yet. It's off but hard to pin down because it's variable. Today it's going to be pitch dark later then it was a few days ago. Right now it should be getting steadily darker earlier and earlier going toward the shortest day of the year on the winter solstice Dec. 21, 22 or 23. Tonight the sun set noticeably south of west which is as it should be. On the days last week when it was dark so early it seemed also like there was no twilight. Usually twilight here is extended and like today one gets to experience all the many variables of twilight. So I too feel that something is not quite right and that there were a couple of days that it was dark just a bit too early.

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Perhaps those darker days were simply cloudy.
I live on the same Earth as you do, and see the same Sun, and it seemed to be setting normally here.

I hate to sound silly, but my home that I've been in 12 years, seems different too. The backyard faces north. The house casts a shadow on the back patio as normal at this time of year, but this year it seems to extend out farther from the house,(the shadow), I can tell when the grass closest to the house dies back, we're in the short days of the year. I will have to see if the grass has died back farther than usual, (I really doubt it!), but I would think if there were some change in axis, and the sun is now moving across at a more southerly latittude, my grass will show it.

Will check tomorrow.

reply to post by Frira


While this is obviously true. I think maybe the point those people are making is that it could be being covered up.

I am all for the world revolving differently, but its not.

Originally posted by signwearer
reply to post by Frira

 

While this is obviously true. I think maybe the point those people are making is that it could be being covered up.

By whom? By me?

And how would anyone begin to go about covering up the blatantly obvious?

"Oh sure, I guess the sun always has risen at quarter past eight at this time of year-- I just remembered the latest as always being 7:30 in the dead of winter-- I must be getting old."

Are the all powerful "they" going to sneak into my library and replace my books, charts, almanacs and maps?

Do you have any idea? I mean, before GPS, noon-day sightings were taken by all sea-going vessels just to navigate -- and the practice remains today.

Even some amateur telescopes are mounted in line with the polar axis-- and every single research telescope is. None would work if the axis shifted.

Are "they" going to change the software already on my local computer?

Did they pay off every weatherman in the world who said the night before at what time the sun would rise?

Do I need to wear my tinfoil hat to prevent them from changing my memory?

And they managed all of this, but forgot to sneak around resetting all of our clocks?

Don't you think someone might have noticed-- "Hey! What is that new star on the southern horizon? I have never been able to see that one before!" Because we would see southern hemisphere stars in the north previously below the horizon-- if the axis had changed.

And my point is-- much of that is common knowledge-- and requires only thought to dismiss the invalid notion.

I still shudder each day when I see, "The moon is upside down in Las Vegas tonight" thread. But it was right-side up in Reno? Does not the most fundamental common sense suggest that the error is in the perspective of the viewer and not that the moon has rotated but only when someone is viewing it from Las Vegas?

Oh, wait, quantum physics may actually suggest that one as possible as long as no one else on the planet was watching when it flipped, but that is another thread!

reply to post by wellsybelieves
There is - no doubt - a local park, mansion who has visitors, perhaps a Village zone etc. That has had a Sundial that's stood at its present site for decades, maybe centuries. Use that (allowing for the time being at present 1 hour behind normal) and you will see Nothing has changed. If it had, then Sundial would be quick to prove such.
Have a nice weekend

I curiously find humor in the fact that if these doomers are one day correct at a Big Black Nemesis coming to get us and kill us all they will never have the chance to say "I told you so"! Call me sick but the science I reside with also has a branch that has a term for behavior like that, I tend to find spot on.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
I've since repeated this measurement and, surprise surprise, things are still as they should be. As pointed out already, there are many of us amateur astromoners who would know if something was off, there'd be no hiding it. We can and do measure these things to very high precision.

Originally posted by Illustronic
I curiously find humor in the fact that if these doomers are one day correct at a Big Black Nemesis coming to get us and kill us all they will never have the chance to say "I told you so"! Call me sick but the science I reside with also has a branch that has a term for behavior like that, I tend to find spot on.

You tease us! We want to know the term! For a scientist with such notions, my first guess is that the term is "unemployed."

And as for "shills" like me, knowingly being free from ever hearing, "I told you so" is one of the reasons it is such a cushy job-- but the pay is still lousy.

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One term is similar to sci fi, but begins with psy, and ends with ic. New age people call it 'new physics', a place that has no governing basis, so anything imagined is possible, it only has to be thought to exist. Lest we forget 'the powers to be' wont disclose this to the populous. We then introduce paranoia. Not quite the same thing but both terms seem to show up in both descriptions of that other science known as chemistry, or neurological molecular physiological science. I mean if science is just a theory, then maybe extraterrestrials showed us how to make 'the bomb' work, but I believe that science started around the turn of last century, before the Roswell event, so I don't think they really think through their entire theory of reverse engineering, but that is just my opinion.

I base this simple 'theory' on an idea that if the Vikings found a time wormhole with specs on building a Boeing 747, they would not have the first idea how to manufacture the alloys needed to build the craft let alone understand the math, or the petroleum distillation means to refine the fuel, so they continued to sail wooden ships in cold waters to find cold lands because it was convenient, not because they were stupid. If they were smarter they may have sailed down to the Caribbean like Columbus did, it is a much more bountiful place to spend so much energy to travel to.

Sometimes I mention the fiction novel "The Guns of the South' where the south was given AK-47s by time travelers to win the American Civil War, that ultimately ended with the abolishment of slaves that didn't prevent the unification of America. Now I'm getting off topic and I just believe I lost my train of though that got me to mention those references.

I believe I made my point in a way regardless.

Originally posted by Illustronic
reply to post by Frira

 

One term is similar to sci fi, but begins with psy, and ends with ic.

Ha! Yeah. We use that word in my profession as well.

New age people call it 'new physics', a place that has no governing basis, so anything imagined is possible, it only has to be thought to exist. Lest we forget 'the powers to be' wont disclose this to the populous. We then introduce paranoia.

Cooler heads rarely prevail 'round these parts. I have a headache from the hysteria on another thread where I had already earned my first ever "shill" label today. I may change my profile from "Member" to "Shill" now that I feel official.

Not quite the same thing but both terms seem to show up in both descriptions of that other science known as chemistry, or neurological molecular physiological science. I mean if science is just a theory, then maybe extraterrestrials showed us how to make 'the bomb' work, but I believe that science started around the turn of last century, before the Roswell event, so I don't think they really think through their entire theory of reverse engineering, but that is just my opinion.

I base this simple 'theory' on an idea that if the Vikings found a time wormhole with specs on building a Boeing 747, they would not have the first idea how to manufacture the alloys needed to build the craft let alone understand the math, or the petroleum distillation means to refine the fuel, so they continued to sail wooden ships in cold waters to find cold lands because it was convenient, not because they were stupid. If they were smarter they may have sailed down to the Caribbean like Columbus did, it is a much more bountiful place to spend so much energy to travel to.

Sometimes I mention the fiction novel "The Guns of the South' where the south was given AK-47s by time travelers to win the American Civil War, that ultimately ended with the abolishment of slaves that didn't prevent the unification of America. Now I'm getting off topic and I just believe I lost my train of though that got me to mention those references.

Its the Tryptophan! But my guess is that the point was that technology is not what drives people-- it does not change who and what we are. Experience and necessity do that -- which is not particular frightening although I do suspect it is a bit mysterious.

I believe I made my point in a way regardless.

Yep, I think so. And now I get to go off to sleep with warm fuzzy thoughts about how math-- a language created by humans--- actually works, and that is one reason why we lowly humans keep doing such amazing things-- including knowing that the math makes certain that the sun will rise right on time in the morning.

Originally posted by SunnyDee
I hate to sound silly, but my home that I've been in 12 years, seems different too. The backyard faces north. The house casts a shadow on the back patio as normal at this time of year, but this year it seems to extend out farther from the house,(the shadow), I can tell when the grass closest to the house dies back, we're in the short days of the year. I will have to see if the grass has died back farther than usual, (I really doubt it!), but I would think if there were some change in axis, and the sun is now moving across at a more southerly latittude, my grass will show it.

Will check tomorrow.

I agree with you the sunrise and sunset are the same, but the shadows are much longer...I have noticed this for weeks.

Guys, I've noticed that it's been getting dark earlier each night. This started in late June I believe. Someone told me that the Sun is burning itself out and that's why it's darker sooner. It also takes longer for it to get light in the morning. I'm pretty sure if this continues we'll be running out of sunlight completely. I can't believe there aren't more threads about this. If the the sun burns itself out our planet won't be able to support life. Has anyone heard about this? It's definitely getting colder too and when I'm outside even in the sunshine I can feel less power in the sun.

Hey buddy im intrested in knowing what type of car do you have that you can adjust the headlights to half ive been a tech for over twenty years and never heard of one that does that all i know are high and low beams not adjustable anyways was 61 here in chicago today and light when i awoke same as usual dont think the earth has shifted but who knows but please inform me to the type of car with adjustable headlights seriously

Originally posted by ed1320
Hey buddy im intrested in knowing what type of car do you have that you can adjust the headlights to half ive been a tech for over twenty years and never heard of one that does that all i know are high and low beams not adjustable anyways was 61 here in chicago today and light when i awoke same as usual dont think the earth has shifted but who knows but please inform me to the type of car with adjustable headlights seriously

Starred, due to the one epic sentence.