What time is it now?

Time is simply our perception of a sequence of events. We measure time using the sun, sure, but time itself is the unfolding of events one after the other. To pretend the concept of time doesn't exist is absurd, and implies that you can change the order of how events unfold. This is obviously not possible.

The concept of time, and the measurement of time are two separate things, yet OP seems to have confused himself into believing they are the same.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


Ya op your right time does not exist outside the realm of the observer...

But its there for a reason as well as a bunch of reasons such as synchronicity of all perspectives and the focus points in this reality to be in sync or in order as it's called. If anything that all it is, just a tool to get this machine moving. Time is an abstract construct that lends purpose to energy and it's displacement in the form of matter is what we call time. Motion is the cause of it, and so one can say that time is a byproduct of sorts. Can there be time without motion? Can there be time in a void devoid of all and any motion? Motion is just energy's expressing themselves and one of those expressions is called time.

So to answer your question of what time it is now?....Well they do say that there is no time like the present. And you can always find the date and time stamp at the top of my post. But however that is relevant.

Didn't some dude say that time is relative...Translation it does not really exist outside our observations and all of the contraptions and mechanics we made to observe and relate to it, as a way to relate to ourselves and our surroundings which are part of us as we are part of our surroundings....And so this machine will move forward...But however it can move in many more direction and ways besides forward. But forward is what it will's to move in.

Why you ask? One can say it's a lack of imagination. But one can say lots of things, in this case its not the case of one only, after all it's relative to many and much more then the one who questions its destination, therefore it's the wrong presumption to make.

Time is more complicated then eternity, but less complicated then the observer and observers of time. Time is a measurement, a construct, a tool, an expression, a way of life, a paradigm, a form of order, and much more besides those. But by relation if one so wanted, and if one looked, one can find some measure of time in all of those. They might even make and observation or two on this phenomenon called time.

reply to post by Dreamer99

The concept of time, and the measurement of time are two separate things, yet OP seems to have confused himself into believing they are the same.

So what are you saying you can tell me what time it is, if you had no watch, no sun, no moon, no stars or anything that tells you what time it is. Or anything you could measure time by.

The concept of time and the measurement of time define each other, and there both basically two sides of the same coin.

Time does exist. The measurements we use to record it might be a creation of the mind but time is a physical presents throughout the universe.

ALS

reply to post by galadofwarthethird


Even without an observer time would still exist it just wouldnt have causality.

ALS

Time and timelessness both exist.

Just a thought.

The belief in time gives rise to the sense of separation. It causes stress within the system, it pulls you from past to future and never lets you rest in now.

reply to post by ALOSTSOUL


Really you seem to be so sure of that.

Only one way to find out, get rid of every single sentient and non sentient creature and thing in this universe....But then who will be around to see if your theory is true or not. Hmm what a predicament eh, how does one even go about testing such a theory?

I am pretty sure there are ways, it is something to think on at least.

reply to post by smithjustinb


ha, always fun to talk about metaphysics.

AND the present can't happen if there is no future for it

Unfortunately I'm not so sure about this. There are places in this universe where time does not exist. Namely, black holes. Here, gravity has stopped time. Yet, these places have a future. That black hole will eventually, trillions of years from now, decay. The present does not exist for these places, but they do have a future, ad a past. It is as if someone simply cut out everything except the beginning and the end of the universe.

That too. The universe will eventually end. the expansion force coming from dark energy will decay, and the universe will snap back and return from what it came from, like a well timed machine. Then, in theory, start all over again.

I think the present exists because there is a balance of past and future.

Time is like a whirlpool. You can imagine heavy parts going slower, and lighter parts going faster. In this sense time has an equal past and future. But, you can make it so heavy that it simply stops moving. Here, time simply goes around it, but whatever the item has taken from the "pool of time" can never be free until the erosion from time itself frees it and the item is reduced in density.

Otherwise, there would be an imbalance and we would not be existing in the present. And the only way there can be an eternal present is if there is an eternal past and an eternal future.

The Greeks had a wise saying. You can never move. Because there is an infinite amount of points you can go between point A and point B. Even so, we do. How is this possible? Well, I can give you metaphysics and I can give you scientific fact. In terms of scientific fact, we now know this is not true. There are a finite amount of times you can divide a second. There are a finite amount of times you can divide a space between point a and point b. These are called time "frames", and for distance, what some now call the "pixel" size of the universe. Because these things are finite, they cannot possibly be infinite in the before and after.

Also, any quantity chosen within the number line of infinity will always be in the center of that number line. Even if the number 5 is chosen or the number 5,000. Both number are in the center of the infinite number line. Time is that way. All infinite platforms are that way.

Not quite. It can be really anywhere. Not just the midpoint. This sorta kinda means time travel is possible.

This proves the big bang theory wrong when it said time was created at the moment of the explosion. Time always has existed.

Doesn't prove it wrong so much as give evidence to a bigger picture. Some now think the big bang is simply a timer within a line of universes, with every big bang lined up to restart the next universe once that universe has died and compressed. Sort of like an engine. Strange. New science.

Unless time doesn't exist. That would mean the theory of spacetime is wrong. Either way, one of those fundamental principles that physics is founded on is wrong

Only if you think of it that way. But like I said, time is finite. There is a finite number of divisions of a second, and a finite number of divisions of a distance. The Greeks called this an atom, but we now know it is far smaller.

reply to post by NewAgeMan



Well, "time" is man made, like 1pm and 2pm etc, that's man made and it was made as a reference. It helps us understand how far into the day we are, so we can have a routine, be organised etc.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

The present exists because of what happened in the past.

"Some stones have statues in their future"

Simply put, you cannot take a slice and say the cake doesn't exist.

Many have missed the point, including the Toad.

Everything is NOW. It was always now, and will always be now, there is no other time but the present, it doesn't exist, at all, it's an illusion, and nothing but a convention at best used to measure relative motion and distance, but it's not REAL.

When we can completely accept what is as it is, in the now, then we recognize that there is no time only eternity already always, and only within this space is true creative action possible, to improve things as we move along, our own imagination the guiding light.

But to believe in the reality of "time" is crazy, because there is no such thing as the past and the future, they do not exist.

It's fresh, the whole thing, at every moment, and it is for this reason that we must forgive as we are already forgiven, because it's a clean slate at each moment, a new possibility in the domain of infinite possibility that is the eternally unfolding present moment.

You don't get it. Perhaps only a couple people who've participated in this thread "get" the point I was trying to make in the OP.

Best Regards,

NAM

Originally posted by shadowland8
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

Well, "time" is man made, like 1pm and 2pm etc, that's man made and it was made as a reference. It helps us understand how far into the day we are, so we can have a routine, be organised etc.

Precisely, and I'm just trying to get at the real reality beyond the manmade matrix, so that the human being can enjoy a much higher degree of freedom, and the joy of being real.

Time as a slave driver just drives us to the end of our life and then looking back we come to realize that we never even lived because of this convention of time, keeping us forever mired in the past and future, without creating the space of the presence of being in the eternal presence of the NOW as it really is.

We're missing something because of time. Time in this way represents a vail of ignorance preventing us from experience the truth and reality as it really and truly is.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
The belief in time gives rise to the sense of separation. It causes stress within the system, it pulls you from past to future and never lets you rest in now.

Yep!

Bang on - it's hammer time! (whatever that means).

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Past and future are just ideas that appear now. Everything appears now. Past and future are no more than stories arising presently.
The whole 'world' is no more than a bunch of stories arising presently.
Out of now appears the illusion of everything.

This poster understands.

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by shadowstorm
I'm sorry to tell you... but it's HAMMER TIME!

Please hammer.. don't hurt them.

I still think it's tool time. Wait a minute... I just had a profound philosophical realization of enlightenment! Hammer time and tool time are one!

You're both wrong............... It's Miller time!

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by shadowstorm
I'm sorry to tell you... but it's HAMMER TIME!

Please hammer.. don't hurt them.

I still think it's tool time. Wait a minute... I just had a profound philosophical realization of enlightenment! Hammer time and tool time are one!

You're both wrong............... It's Miller time!

there is no time now..!, or it is time to jaaaam !

reply to post by sabalsis1972


now is never in time, now is the present, present time cannot b since time by definition is relative present according to an end that happened or will

now is the freedom of all reality, from being aware out so one still constancy free or from objective perspective of all freedom still

truth is absolute freedom, so infinite bc from freedom there cant b but freedom for any, that is how nothing is lost by being different free in free for any single nothing

but if time were to end , what of our memory ? Surely if all instances become one, we would no longer compartmentalize events into a series of instances, there would only be one instance, an eternal instance , the now ? We would no longer be able to compare one instance to another in order to calculate our relative movement through time, and on that note, what happens to movement, what happens to speed ?

reply to post by TruthIncarnate


The imagined person that you carry around with you would disappear. The worry and stress would end. What you have written is how it really is plus imagination(mind). Only now' is' with stories appearing presently.