Russia Retaliates Against US: Puts Radar Station On Combat Alert

reply to post by CharlesMartel
no one remembers how to use the SDI.


No one knows the USSR password for anti SDI
Thus we are this point , we aim at you ... you aim at us .. we sit and stair at each other and make 4 fingers down one up... wait to see who pules trigger first, yes..no?

reply to post by Bluesma


Born in '75, so I may not have lived through the events you list, but just like the born in '74 poster probably did,I lived with people strongly shaped by such events. Has an effect on ya, even if it's second hand.

There's one wild card in the deck. North Korea....all this potential instability must be rocking that little nuclear boat...

And it bothers me.

Originally posted by chericher
reply to post by Bluesma

 

Born in '75, so I may not have lived through the events you list, but just like the born in '74 poster probably did,I lived with people strongly shaped by such events. Has an effect on ya, even if it's second hand.

The comment I was originally responding about said "This is much more dangerous than the cold war was."

I do not agree. There were much more dangerous moments during the cold war, many of them before 74 or 75.
I do not refute that the events afterwards could have an effect on people, and influence their feelings and opinions about the threat of nuclear war with Russia.

But, for example, it could be helpful to have an indepth talk with someone who lived during the Cuban misslie crisis and see how dangerously close to nuclear war that came! We have not reached the same level yet right now.

Why? Russia is a part of all of those!!
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
Russia should just nuke a G20 meeting, a Bilderberg meeting, a CFR meeting, a Trilateral Commission meeting and a FED meeting.

Most of the scum on earth would be dead. Would solve a lot of things.

Originally posted by Shenon

Russia Retaliates Against US: Puts Radar Station On Combat Alert

zerohedge

That said, he concludes that Russia is still open to dialog. However, if Obama merely intends to bomb any nation at will, we are very much concerned that everything Medvedev has just threatened will be enacted. And exponentially more so when Putin comes back in charge. One thing is certain - Russia is not North Korea, and taking this speech for more empty jawboning is probably not the wisest option.

(visit the link for the full news article)

edit on 23-11-2011 by Shenon because: fixed link

edit on 11/23/2011 by semperfortis because: Copy the exact headline

and the U.S. dnt care about his statement
simply should not have enter into agreements on disarmament that nobody was going to comply
n everything would be OK

reply to post by Shenon


That is one very scary video. Looks like we are heading for a second cold war very soon.He made it crystal clear that Russia will not sit by and let this missile defence system be built without them having the means to shoot the missiles down or at least disarm them using a "cheap" method which I would believe meant some kind of computer type hack.
This did not seem like sabre rattling to me this sounded deadly serious. It seems quiet obvious that although at the moment the missile defence system won't effect Russia as its meant to protect against rouge states,that doesn't mean that if in some time in the future we were at war with Russia that they wouldn't be used to intercept Russian warheads of course they would. No wonder Russia are going nuts about this as it renders their missile launches useless as they will be shot down automaticly seconds after launch.

Interesting.

reply to post by Ironclad

If war comes, you have only yourselves to thank for letting your government do as they wish. Governments run amok when they realise that the people are lazy and won't try to stop them. If WWIII happens and millions of americans die in a fiery hell, it isn't your governments fault for starting it. It is your fault for letting them..!! And of course, many millions wiill die all over the world because the American people were too "wuss", to stop their gubberment. So really it is the Average "surviving", US citizen who will have the blood of millions on their hands, not the government...!!

I disagree with this statement, we commoners or peasants have less of a voice with each passing day, I have always voted..since 1973 I used to think we had a 2 party system..but really we don't..no one hears us or cares what the American people want..our votes are meaningless.

For whatever reasons TPTB are pushing towards war..I am for peace..as are millions of others who live here in America and around the world..so don't paint all of us with your bloody broad brush..coco

reply to post by nightbringr


No, it is not unreasonable to assume that Russia could land maybe 10% of their missiles. But I don't think that that is the situation we are facing at the moment, at least not yet anyways.

This is why I say we aren't threatened - our military isn't worried.

But, to be honest I think if Russia did decide to attack our defense installations, the United States could very well view it as an act of war and launch a massive counter attack. This could very well escalate into something very big, perhaps world war. Russia knows this and Russia doesn't want this yet they might feel so cornered right now that this just might be the final line being drawn. So, I guess this leaves me with the question.....

Is Russia really serious about their "line drawn in the sand" or is this another bluff?

If they hold firm and the United States ignores their requests they will undoubtedly do what they said they will do and "disable" the offending defenses. And we know what happens after that.

If this a bluff (which the United States military obviously sees this as) and the United States moves forward with their operation then nothing happens.

The guys making the moves and making the decisions I'm sure are taking this into account, but that's not to say that will make the right decision, and that is also not to say that I trust them to make the right decision.

And, there is nothing I can do but pray. As another poster above me said, our votes are meaningless, all we can do is pray for peace. I pray that one day there will be no country, only world.

-Alien

reply to post by Shenon


Medvedev said : Its not against US or NATO



11/29/11 12:29 PM

New radar station on combat duty in Russia’s Kaliningrad

/pathos mode on
Yesterday, Russian Mass Media reported that the Voronezh-DM a decimeter band, long range, multi array, radar with over the horizon capabilities has been activated in the Kaliningrad Oblast. By order of Commander-in-chief Dmitry Medvedev. It is said that this station has a range of six thousand kilometers and is geared towards Europe as a deterrent for any European Missile launches. Addressing the radar staff and the Nation our beloved president offered an outstretched hand of friendship towards NATO and the United States of America offering once more cooperation in the European Missile Shield. Sadly his pleas fell on deaf ears as the Western World seems to have decided for a cooling of Western-Russia relationships
/pathos mode off

My opinion towards it is a somewhat tired "rolling-of-eyes" one. The station has been building since the Soviet Union collapsed, and Medvedev is using it's opening as a self-PR campaign. So it's all just ridiculous and silly.

reply to post by Shenon


after Putin become president in 2112 everything will be much worse
United States due to its unreasoned policy of arms now help Putin to come to power

tarifa37]

No wonder Russia are going nuts about this as it renders their missile launches useless as they will be shot down automaticly seconds after launch.

I think you're overestimating the missile system.

Originally posted by MushroomWig

tarifa37]

No wonder Russia are going nuts about this as it renders their missile launches useless as they will be shot down automaticly seconds after launch.

I think you're overestimating the missile system.

The missile shield system in place right now is not a threat, but potential altering upgrades in the future could be quite worrisome. The US has had quite a bit of success with Free Electron lasers as of late. This is undoubtedly the future of ABM defense systems. As the technology becomes more mature, any and all ABM sites will be updated using the latest greatest technology. Russia knows this, which is why Russia is worried. That is why they do not want a missile shield that close to their borders. When you have defense systems that move at the speed of light (which is 299 million miles per second) you can pretty much successfully render conventional nuclear warfare useless. This is and has been Russias only advantage...mutually assured destruction. Without the threat of that, Russia cannot be taken srsly.

This is why Russia cannot allow the US to gain a foot hold on their door step. But the thing is, this is not in Russias territory, the countries that will be hosting such systems have the desire to host said systems. Is it right for russia to dictate what sovereign nations do with their own territories? It is not as if the US is forcing these systems on said countries.

reply to post by xlb40

When you have defense systems that move at the speed of light (which is 299 million miles per second) you can pretty much successfully render conventional nuclear warfare useless

186 thousand miles per second.

An effective defensive laser system is far off. Laser systems have one major problem. Clouds, even haze, quickly render them ineffective.

Are Russia's ICBM launchers close to their borders?

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by xlb40

 

When you have defense systems that move at the speed of light (which is 299 million miles per second) you can pretty much successfully render conventional nuclear warfare useless

186 thousand miles per second.

An effective defensive laser system is far off. Laser systems have one major problem. Clouds, even haze, quickly render them ineffective.

Are Russia's ICBM launchers close to their borders?

edit on 11/30/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)

#1. The United States military as we all know is decades ahead of us civilians.

#2 It seems the Russians might very well have some intelligence on the fact that the new upgrades are far more capable than the United States leads on.

That being said and judging by how reactive Russia is to the situation I think we could reasonably assume that indeed there is something very advanced being built over there, and its nothing that we as citizens have access to nor even have information about for that matter.

-Alien

Originally posted by Phage
186 thousand miles per second.

Just now saw my mistake. I was in a bit of a rush when I typed that earlier. I meant 299 million meters per second.

An effective defensive laser system is far off. Laser systems have one major problem. Clouds, even haze, quickly render them ineffective.

I take it you dont quite understand just how far we've come with lasers. We already have working prototypes, and we are quickly moving towards a faze of implementation anywhere from 2013, to 2020.

Here are just a few examples:


(This video explains beautifully how free electron lasers work, and how clouds, dust, and ocean vapors do not effect it in any significant way.)

The USN could have lasers as well as railguns adorning their ships by as early as the 2020's.

Boeing's new laser cannon can melt a hole in a tank from five miles away and 10,000 feet up—and it’s ready to fly this year
www.popsci.com...

These are just a few examples.

Are Russia's ICBM launchers close to their borders?

I dont follow...These countries that will be hosting these ABMs want them there. Russia really has no say on the matter.

honestly if a world war 3 broke out i think most small countries would float away from the united states. An example of this is when the bad earthquake hit haiti a few years ago they refused our help because they felt like we wanted something in return. Also lately ive been paying attention to the elections and ron paul has some interesting ideas about the middle east. All i know is i want China and canada on our side.

reply to post by Phage


Russia wouldnt have to attack NATO countries, it would just block supply routes, back syria/iran militarily, plus dont be fooled, Russia has heard the noises coming from Bejing, any US/UK/Israeli attack in the middle east would be met with the fiercest resistance the UK/US partnership has experienced since WWII.


China and Russia are the keys to the whole thing, can Washington keep their fingers off the trigger?????