Athletics and Education, do the benefits outweigh the problems? (Sandusky related)

I would like to change these problems and get back on track with the rest of the world in education.

Given Sandusky has brought this problem to new light:
1) We make our children undress together, and in front of an adult who could very well be a pervert. From about 12 to 13 years old kids in middle school start this process. I know for a fact that this bothers some kids.

2) We make uneducated Jocks who's only goal is to be in professional sports and retire as a car salesman (This is a FULL ride scholarship in most cases, in which case most do not graduate prior to being drafted) I am paying the increased cost of tuition for a non athletic child due to the sports drain) Isn't college supposed to be about academics and not sports? When things don't work out, we see the headlines "NFL player" (insert any) crime.

3) Corruption will exist when there is money involved. Sports generate money. The two go hand in hand.

Is our goal to lead the world in Jockness? Or should we, the parents demand education to be separated from athletics?

I know there are good things that a winning team can do for school pride, while I would rather see superior debating about world issues being what we pride ourselves upon, I know some of you will see the value of athletics.

There currently is a story on CNN about a Highschool teacher boosting the football teams grades because her husband is the team coach.

Back to Jerry Sandusky. Does anyone know what his salary was? And does anyone know what his pension is?

I don't think kids being currently abused will want to go public with all the press we give the victims.

Please understand, I played Football through High school, and did my stint in the USAF, when i raced BMX professionally. I have nothing against sports. It just hasn't made me a smarter person.

What do you think ATS? Is there an elegant solution?

reply to post by assspeaker


Eventually all education will be online and at home.

No more bullys, no more pedophiles no more school tax or education department.

This is going to save everyone a lot of money.

Children can then gather simply to socialize for art or sports or whatever interests them.

School will be where you learn a highly specialized hands on skills that cannot be taught online.

reply to post by newcovenant


I can only hope this is our future path!

My daughters are both in the K-12 program, then we moved and they wanted to try the school once more. We let them, but they where both so far ahead they wanted to go back to home school. It is pretty dang good. They have teacher help available on-line everyday. Two phone conferences per month between teacher and parents.

So today, I can send my son to community college for two of the the four years, a regular college for two years, and do an on-line for his masters, but it is difficult to get high credits for the on-line portion. If the schools would go more in this direction, I would welcome it.

At the risk of sounding trollish, in a thread about education, it may be in your best interest to check some spelling issues in your thread title.

More on topic, athletics, for all its successful practitioners, has a high failure rate. I'd say only a small minority of those athletes who seem on a path to success based on athletics will actually end up in any position of influence, as there's (almost) always a better athlete. One sprain, one bad day, and your whole path could be shot.

That being said, society as a whole seems to value athletes over many other positions, possibly at our own risk. Certainly education plays a key role, and as you stated, this in itself may be behind many problems.

Originally posted by Ladon
At the risk of sounding trollish, in a thread about education, it may be in your best interest to check some spelling issues in your thread title.

Not at all! Thanks, fixed! I got that GED , but I want more for my kids.

Originally posted by Ladon
That being said, society as a whole seems to value athletes over many other positions, possibly at our own risk. Certainly education plays a key role, and as you stated, this in itself may be behind many problems.

There it is! Society as a whole does value these athletes for our entertainment very highly. I think we could have both good schools and gymnasiums without combining the two. I would like to see the athletes graded fairly and without any thoughts by the teacher, that a bad grade could hurt the schools athletic branch.

Heck, I think some folks would include NASCAR and drag race training to the sports program. It would give basket weaving some real competition here in the USA.

I think everyone is beginning to question College Sports these days and I do think their days are numbered and they need to be shut down. It certainly isn't education related. For football, it appears more violence and injury related, as other countries have generally switched to Soccer over the violence and injury issues.

Colleges are running expensive entertainment programs, and that isn't education. They have salaries for the coaches that exceed the State Governor's office and easily the College top managment levels. It is in every way an abuse of power to have such high salaries go to non-educational entertainment program staff. College Sports has essentially become Pro-sports, in the case of FootBall and BasketBall, and this has no place at an educational institution, especially a state supported College.

College Sports is a training camp for the Pros, and few care to graduate from College or about higher learning. I was watching one interview with a College Football player and he could not even speak semi-intelligently. College Sports is a waste of taxpayer money for the state schools as the college players are not serious students and they take dumb classes like walking and bowling. This is a total fraud to call such perfidity as higher learning.

Half of them get arrested for either drugs or stealing, as they recruit players from the roughest inner city areas that are just using the College as a jump start into the Pros. While they give the players a sports scholarship often, they generally don't learn a good professional diploma. They pay the Coaches millions of dollars and the players get little, so the school exploits them for huge profits. The Colleges encourage a sidewalk alumni that think they know about higher education. But they are party types, supporting entertainment only.

If a region wants a professional sports team, it is clear that these need to become separate from Colleges. Colleges need to stick to education and higher learning, research and professionalism. Currently College Sports is nothing but an entertainment business and I sure don't care to support that as higher education related. College sports are scamming the public and the students. Lots of the players get injuries from the more contact or violence related sports. They end up with joint and bone problems that will hound them in later life. Many get injuries so serious that they can't go on to the Pros or even finish up their 4 years of College.

The SEC and NCAA is basically a racket these days, profiting off College kids and getting College coaches huge pro salaries that never should have happened. College Presidents and State Governors that allowed this to get as bad as it has become all need to be fired. All Coaches need to make well less than the College President, and it needs to become a firm cap on what they make with no exceptions. These people are using and abusing the system and it needs to stop.

The amount of money in College Sports Coaching has become so much an issue that lying and cheating has become the rule rather than the exception. It appears even predators of various types are getting into the college sports issues, and even that dodged reporting it appears. College Sports is teaching that it isn't what you know but who you know. Education in College Sports is a joke.

It is time to break up college sports overpriced salaries and shut down the programs. College Sports has become as excuse for getting drunk on campus, rude and overbearing language and behaviors at the events, and condoning people getting hurt as a value to education. College Sports is teaching violence is good.

One has suggested that NASCAR become a College Sport and that makes about as much sense as the current excessive Football and Basketball entertainment. It has all gotten out of hand, and it needs to be removed from College and Higher Learning. The tickets are hugely overpriced, the food is overpriced and terrible, the seating is like a sardine package, the rest rooms are putrid.

It is well past time to stay home and catch games on the HD TV, and be comfortable and safe. It is time to kick the Pro-Sports out of College and force them back into research and higher learning. If an area wants a Pro team as entertainment, then set them up as independent of College Campuses, pay the players and coaches Pro-salaries, and if these players want to go to school then they can pay for it the same as everyone else. That also would end the dumbed down fake college course for athletes to fake good grades. Injuries and later life pain don't need to be an acceptable part of a College Experience in Education.

You point of concern is well overdue. All the money spent on these huge College stadium and arenas for sports is a pure and total waste of educational dollars. I have yet to see a drop of higher learning at a football or basketball game.

So, the Penn State/Paterno/Sanduskty problem looms large. It appears Jerry Sandusky got charged with what appears to be sexually deviant behavior 8 times. Paterno apparently knew and didn't do enough, was fired. Some tell Paterno has cancer. The Penn. State president is fired because he didn't do it right either.

Paterno has a Criminal Lawyer now, because it appears he violated the reporting law in Pa. Sandusky appears to have gotten into trouble for similar in 1999 or so. So, the took in a known problem person.

Sandusky claimed it was only horse-play in the showers with the boys, but what coach in his right mind takes a shower with the team. Then the new leaked out they were pimping out the team:

rivals.yahoo.com...

This article suggests there was dozens of boys involved in various scadals.


All these sports players get money handshakes from the boosters, they got all kinds of free drugs, and free bar admissions without typical cover charges. College Sports has long been out of control and we are sure to see like problems exposed at other schools around the country.

Time to put them all in jail. imho


For what all that went on at Penn St they appear to need to fire all the Athletic Staff there and shut them down.


I think this will perhaps turn out like the Catholic Scandals and once the Penn State issues become highly public and the news settles down a bit, there will be some like instances at other schools.

reply to post by MagnumOpus


Thank You Magnum for your well thought out post! That is exactly how I see this problem.
I am surprised more of ATS does not see the damage we are allowing to happen in our colleges.

You brought up the church, and I thought about the parallel, but opted to leave it out.
My grandfathers words of wisdom to me : " Never Become an Alter Boy ".
After I was old enough to understand how the priest abused the pack, I dropped out of catholicism for good.

I think it is important to capture the issues as clearly as possible and speak of how it violates the Charter of the Schools, and once well stated, others can better weight the issues and decide for themselves.

Penn St. is seriously bad, but all the colleges have cheating and corruption in athletics.

I know an X Federal Agent type who speaks the same way that I do on this College Sports corruption of higher education. If one of them notices there is a problem, there is a problem. imho He wasn't even talking about Penn. State either.

Generally, in these State Supported schools, the Governor is the Chair for the College's Board of Directors, so maybe the Pa. Governor needs to be charged and resign from office as well. One might want to cue the news media into that observation. Obviously, Penn St. considered itself above the law with its state status. So, it is past time for the People to speak now.

Certainly there had to be some large failings involved with the Sandusky scandal back in 1999. There is more to the story for how politics allowed that to happen.

The News article tells:

"Madden went on to say that Jerry Sandusky was told by those running the show at Penn State football that Sandusky had to retire after allegations made in 1998 that the defensive coordinator was guilty of "improper conduct with an underage male." Sandusky, thought by some to be Joe Paterno's successor at the time, abruptly and somewhat shockingly retired from coaching in 1999."


Just how did he get back on the atheltic staff after that one? Did Penn St get a labotomy or who pulled the strings? There is a conspiracy to hide that kind of thing and allow this to happen again many times multiplied in the number affected.

The People need to fire the Pa. Governor too, and the Board. imho


All other college athletics groups should really start looking, asking questions, and following up on problems and clean out this general air of corruption in College Athletics. College Athletic Money is the tail that wags the dog these days, overpowering common sense, and the academic side of colleges have long been put out by that corruption of the system.

I don't know what parent that would want to support their kid going to Penn St after hearing this mess, and how this problem happened before, and the second time it appears it went crazy due to the number of boys this appears to involve.

I think it might be good if Penn. St. just shut down this out of control atheltics program that kept way too many mouths shut on an ever growing problem. It is a sure bet that it wasn't only Paterno that knew about this.


Just look at the mess in College Athletics with serious lies and cheating and total failures of ethics and integrity, and no College can call that part of higher learning. It is more about debauchery.

Look at the Bruce Pearl story from the University of Tennessee-----huge lies involving the coaching staff that was afraid not to help in the cover up. AD get fired. Coach becomes a grocery store company salesman.

Look at the Ohio State troubles with Tressel on rules violations due to players need for money. He knew the problems and didn't play by the rules. Cheating is the new rule in College Sports. Higher Education is teaching ethics and integrity don't matter in their most obvious staff positions. This happens all the time at other colleges, the difference is Tressel got caught. Before Tressel Woody Hayes punched Clemson's Bauman and was fired.

How much is Corruption Worth:

blog.kir.com...


The issue is the level of money in College Sports is corrupting the schools, and the schools write in huge bail out packages, so the coaches don't even care if they get caught telling lies.

It is past time to break up this College Sports overpaid and out of control environment hiding inside the higher education domain. This is more about a racket process and crooked methods. imho

Pro sports salaries have increased dramaticly since i was a kid with pro dreams.I remember Willie Mays making a paltry $200,000 salary joining the NY Mets then and a major scandle When NY Yankees owner G.Steinbrener offering pitching sensation Vida Blue the first million dollar salary.Where theirs big monie theres bound to be corruption of all systems.What town doesnt want to be known as the home of the next superstar?

Everyone knows that the only reason many watch NASCAR is for the wrecks and the violence, and the same theme applies to football.

It might be good to review that others have questioned football and education:

www.lhup.edu...


FOOTBALL
College football: I do not see the relationship of those highly industrialized affairs on Saturday afternoons to higher learning in America.
Robert M. Hutchins, former President of the University of Chicago.

Football: A sport that bears the same relation to education that bullfighting does to agriculture.
Elbert Hubbard

Football, fraternities, and fun have no place in the university. They were introduced only to entertain those who shouldn't be in the university.
Robert M. Hutchins, former President of the University of Chicago.

Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game and dumb enough to think it's important.
Eugene McCarthy.

Football combines the two worst things about America: it is violence punctuated by committee meetings.
George F. Will

College football would be much more interesting if the faculty played instead of the students, and even more interesting if the trustees played. There would be a great increase in broken arms, legs and necks, and simultaneously an appreciable diminution in the loss to humanity.
H. L. Mencken, Minority Report, [186]

Football players, like prostitutes, are in the business of ruining their bodies for the pleasure of strangers.
Merle Kessler

If the players were armed with guns, there wouldn't be stadiums large enough to hold the crowds.
Irwin Shaw

The game of football is played all over the world. In some countries, such a game may be called a soccer match. In others, a revolution. However, there are several differences between a football game and a revolution. For one thing, a football game usually lasts longer and the participants wear uniforms. Also, there are usually more casualties in a football game. The object of the game is to move the ball past the other team's goal line. This counts as six points. No points are given for lacerations, contusions, or abrasions, but then no points are deducted, either. Kicking is very important in football. In fact, some of the more enthusiastic players even kick the football occasionally.
Alfred Hitchcock

Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it.
Heywood Hale Broun

Academe, n.: An ancient school where morality and philosophy were taught. Academy, n.: [from academe] A modern school where football is taught.
Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

Most football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental.
Doug Plank

SPORTS QUOTES
Athlete: Th' athletic Fool, to whom what heav'n deny'd of soul is well compensated in limbs,
John Armstrong (1709-1779), The Art of Preserving Health 1777.

I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense.
H. L. Mencken, Heathen Days.

Can't anything be done about calling these guys "student athletes"? That's like referring to Atilla the Hun's cavalry as "weekend warriors."
Russell Baker

Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind.
Thomas Jefferson

There's nothing wrong with the Little League World Series that locking out the adults couldn't cure.
Mike Penner, Los Angeles Times

If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
Vince Lombardi

When it comes to sports I am not particularly interested. Generally speaking, I look upon them as dangerous and tiring activities performed by people with whom I share nothing except the right to trial by jury.
Fran Lebowitz

American professional athletes are bilingual; they speak English and profanity.
Gordie Howe, 1975

I will not permit thirty men to travel four hundred miles merely to agitate a bag of wind.
Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918), Co-founder and president of Cornell University, in response to the team's request for permission to play an off-campus football game with the University of Michigan in 1873.

Rugby is a beastly game played by gentlemen; soccer is a gentlemen's game played by beasts; football is a beastly game played by beasts.
Henry Blaha, 1972.

It is impossible to imagine Goethe or Beethoven being good at billiards or golf.
H.L. Mencken

Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, disregard of all rules and sadistic pleasure in witnessing violence. In other words, it is war minus the shooting. ...there are quite enough real causes of trouble already, and we need not add to them by encouraging young men to kick each other on the shins amid the roars of infuriated spectators.
George Orwell

Give me an athlete and I'll give you an army.
Adolph Hitler, Mein Kamp

Perhaps it is well past the time to end football's associations with higher learning, as it isn't about higher learning and cast in the same negatives of slavery and promotion of violence.




www.newyorker.com...

The End of College Football?
Posted by Reeves Wiedeman
Last week, The Atlantic published a fifteen-thousand-word cover story—its longest since 2007—titled “The Shame of College Sports.” The article was written by Taylor Branch, a historian best known for his work on the civil-rights era, which gave him at least some credibility to engage the metaphor that college athletes are on the losing end of a system of slavery. Branch largely refutes this notion, but damns the N.C.A.A. otherwise:


To survey the scene—corporations and universities enriching themselves on the backs of uncompensated young men, whose status as “student-athletes” deprives them of the right to due process guaranteed by the Constitution—is to catch an unmistakable whiff of the plantation. Perhaps a more apt metaphor is colonialism: college sports, as overseen by the N.C.A.A., is a system imposed by well-meaning paternalists and rationalized with hoary sentiments about caring for the well-being of the colonized.

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www.theatlantic.com...

The Shame of College Sports
A litany of scandals in recent years have made the corruption of college sports constant front-page news. We profess outrage each time we learn that yet another student-athlete has been taking money under the table. But the real scandal is the very structure of college sports, wherein student-athletes generate billions of dollars for universities and private companies while earning nothing for themselves. Here, a leading civil-rights historian makes the case for paying college athletes—and reveals how a spate of lawsuits working their way through the courts could destroy the NCAA.


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Other schools have seen the overcost problems with college football becoming pro-football and the extremes of the cost don't belong College as overpriced entertainment that doesn't add to the process of higher learning. It is time for football and other overpriced entertainment linked to Colleges and Universities to be tossed out of the higher learning and education domain. Two good examples:


www.boston.com...

Northeastern calls an end to football
Becoming successful is deemed too costly


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www.austinchronicle.com...

UT to End Football Program
Governor, Lege order budget cuts: 'Need to tighten belts ... and jockstraps'


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The problems with College Sports are so extreme that even the Ralph Nader interest has become involved. It is past time to admit there is a serious and out of control problem with Colleges running professional high priced entertainment shows that don't have anything to do with education let alone higher education.


www.usatoday.com...


Ralph Nader calls for ending college athletic scholarships
Updated 3/25/2011 1:46:05 PM |

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Consumer advocate Ralph Nader is calling for the elimination of college athletic scholarships, saying the move is necessary to "de-professionalize" college athletes.


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With the extreme mess at Penn. State, the time has come to dismantle the college football programs as having no place on college campuses nationwide.

So, here are some more thoughts on NASCAR and Athletics.

The standing joke on NASCAR is that it stands for "Non Athletic Sports Centered Around Rednecks".

Everyone knows that NASCAR started around car designs for running illegal moonshine in the prohibition era, and it was really strong in the South, Tennessee and North Carolina, and even has a move named "Thunder Road" named for those times.

In football and basketball there appears to be this addiction to winning, at whatever cost. It is like winning is a drug like alcohol for these redneck masses that go to these large stadium and arena events in Athletics. We have a new Rome with Galdiators.

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There comes a joke for the Pennsylvania State Paterno mess:

Everyone knows what an older woman stalking a younger man is popularly called. Cougar.

Now, everyone knows what an older man stalking young boys is called. Lion Nittany Lion.

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But there are lots of problems behind the Nittany Lions with the sexual abuse issues being exposed. Part of how this happened is going to become what is called a state vs state issue that allowed this to go on for so long.

Another thing that some are going to notice is that Pennsylvania State is a State Supported College and all too often when these become big and have high level Pro-league salaries they compete with Private Enterprise teams in larger cities. This becomes basically the states being involved in Socialism, as the state is not supposed to compete with private enterprise-----So it becomes socilaism. The Board of Directors become Socialists and usually the Governor of the State is the Chair for the Board, making all of them Socialist supporting people. This is one of the ugly huge secrets that these pro-league salaries are driving, is these state colleges are running large entertainment programs that directly interfere with and compete against Private Enterprise or Pro Sports. That is socialism, as private Pro-leagues generally can't locate in these areas and the socialists state gets cheep players for a scholoarship and no salary.

The College Coaches are generally fowl language speaking tyrants intent on their self aggrandizements and winning at any cost. They take over the Colleges and now demand pro level salaries and they've gone to recruit the inner city drug, theft, and thug problems into the student bodies. They drive the players too often into injury and the sports medicine turns too many into prescription drug addicts with pain medication.

In the case of Penn State, they also appear to have well crossed the line into sexual exploitation over the abuses of the system and making the system into a socialist state. So, things are well out of control.


If one studies the college sports carefully, one finds the issues of creaping socialism in many places. One of the most glaring examples comes from the Univ of Tennessee's Athletics Programs. We find that Tennessee wanted a Pro-league football team called the Tennessee Titans, but they could not locate in Knoxville because of the state programs Univ of Tennessee football team. So, the Titans had to locate in Nashville were the biggest College is a Private One called Vanderbuilt and didn't offer too much competition against a Pro-league and private enterprise efforts in Athletic Sports.

The University of Tennessee is the leader of the pack in College Athelitics Socialism and another example is the Baseball issue where the Pro-league Tennessee Smokies Baseball stadium had to be located in Sevier County due to the University of Tennessee's baseball stadium in Knoxville. This again was the State College interfering with Private Enterprise or Pro-league efforts. And another case of State Supported Socialism. Persons like Governor Ed Haslam become persons supporting state socialism and his father Jim Haslam one of the persons with their name on the Socialist Athletics Facilities there in Knoxville.

There should have been fixes to prevent this long ago. Things like putting in Coaching and Staff Salary caps to well under the Univ Presidents and other common sense limits. As it stands these Universities are teaching and giving prime examples of socialsm being used against private enterprise and that is not the purpose of an education institutuion. As it stands these College Athletics facilties need to be removed from the state's holdings and any and all College Association, as this is socialism as it stands today.

Tennesee was supposed to learn about creaping socialism from David Eisenhower over the utility called the Tennessee Valley Authority being called a Socialist Enterprise and this forced the TVA to become a private enterprise not supported by citizen tax dollars. They didn't learn the lesson, since state employees of the Univ of Tenneessee directly compete and block Pro-leagues coming to Knoxville, Tennessee by the blatant practice of Socialism.

College Sports is running out of control and engaged in Professional Sports.

When it comes to College Sports these days, there is an elephant in the living room they attempt to ignore as they don't mention that state supported schools huge athletics programs have returned Socialism into the limelight. Football is State Sponsored Socialist Violence for all too many College Athletics programs and they directly compete and block private enterprise Pro-Football.

If there was a non socialist football, it would be independent of College Campuses and especially the state supported College Campuses. Football should have been designed to recruit hopefulls from high school performance and offers made by private funded teams when these players come of age. Then, if those players want to attend College as part of their successful financial status, they pay for their education like everyone else. There are no special courses or support for their educational needs for any reason coming from the academic higher education area due to that absolute independence. As football stands today on College Campuses they don't graduate players because they were just in College to get recognized by the Pro-league recruiters and the few that do graduate don't have professional degrees or seens as anything other than persons taking crypt courses.

College Pro-level athletics have gone into the realm of getting players from inner city areas that come with baggage like drug use, gang violence, and party minded non-educational persons. This disrupts the fundametal of College charter for higher education. These state supported Colleges build huge stadiums and arenas that stand empty for 99 percent of the time and when they are used serve no use toward high education and many are prime examples of Socialism gone viral on the College Campus.

Sometimes the Colleges will use Arenas as Entertainment Complex centers and put in big bands and other shows, which brings in the heavy drinking and drug oriented persons that violate the laws against alcohol and drugs on campuses and they wonder why drugs are out of control on the College Campuses at these larger schools. The State's money is often not well spend in these Entertainment Complexes that don't have anything to do with higher learning and stand empty the majority of the time, yet use state money to maintain, state money to protect, state money for utilities and heating and cooling, employ the temp help that brings the drug addicts and alcoholic to the campus for cheep labor, and bring in the worst elements of society all too often.

It has become time to separate higher education from the high paying Pro-league appearing College Athletics, as it never had any place in high education. When did a Campus become controlled by a SideWalk Alumni or Redneck patrons with about zero connections to higher learning that have interests in watching violance involving young persons that have little inteest in higher education? One can see the issues of the workers class also taking over the issues of state College Sports and that is the ultimate of Socialist designs.

Intelligent people would remove all of College Football from the Campuses across America and make it all independent of the Colleges. Then, they don't have the protections of State Vs State for predators like at Penn. State, would not be allowed to persist for a decade at Pa. St. The players could be paid and rewarded for their injuries and they'd all have to be of legal age to sign contracts to play Pro-Atheltics. The Private Athletics would maintain insurance and long term care for the many injuries to bones, joints, and legaments that occur in winning oriented athletics for financial gain. The College Campuses would not cater to those that simply can't make the grades in Academia and had so serious interests in higher learning to begin with. College Campuses would be removed from the concept of Pro-league training camps, where the players are not rewarded for the huge profits they make for Socialist Programs run by State Employees that competes and prevents Private Enterprise teams from forming in these areas.

The Penn. State problems with sex predators opens the much larger can of worms that looks at how the very idea of having these high paying state employee jobs is against America's Free Enterprise capitalism goal. The state colleges engage in propaganda to cover up this exploitation of the players, that become injured in play and have problems in later life from these injuries. They cover up they now compete against Pro-athletics with state properties and state money. They cover up state employees run socialist athletics programs that block more properly operated private athletic programs.

College Athletics Programs have corrupted the very goals for which state supported schools were chartered and the Board of Directors, Regents, and often Governors of the State are Socialists

Looks like the sex charge issues are heating up in the College Sports Communities. This time it is private Syracuse University in the news:


www.huffingtonpost.com...

Bernie Fine Investigation: Syracuse Basketball Coach Has Home Searched By Police In Sex Case
Two former ball boys for the Syracuse basketball team, Bobby Davis and his stepbrother, Mike Lang, have said they were molested more than 25 years ago by Fine, who is on paid administrative leave from the university. Fine has called the allegations "patently false."

Now more Bloggers are jumping on the Paterno Scandal issues:

www.henrymakow.com...

Joe Paterno & Louis Freeh Linked to Opus Dei
November 25, 2011


(left. Joe Paterno rests a fatherly hand on Jerry Sandusky's shoulder.)

Joe Paterno and Louis Freeh are linked to the Knights of Columbus, part of the Jesuit Opus Dei complex, and the object of many child sex abuse complaints.
Louis Freeh's appointment to investigate Penn State points to a cover-up.

Blogger William Lindsey suggests there is a link between Joe Paterno and Catholic child sexual abuse in general.

He writes that Joe Paterno "is not merely Catholic but a member of the Knights of Columbus. He's a member of an organization that many survivors of clerical sexual abuse have considered not their ally but their enemy in their fight to hold Catholic pastoral officials accountable for their behavior in the abuse crisis. (And Jerry Sandusky, whom Paterno protected, has received a coach of the year award from the Knights of Columbus and has been a speaker at Knights of Columbus events."


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I think we'll find there is going to be used the issues of Soverign Immunity provided to State Employees, and I do think Pa. St. people in this mess will have that alliance.

Under issues like Soverign Immuity they get full protection and examples of this use are things like the Fukishima Nuclear Disaster where people are told all the radiation fallout on their lands is theirs and their problem.

It will come down that running these huge Sports Entertainment Football shows can hide under these exemptions and thus the reasons to force these non-education related sports shows out of College Environments and into the Private Sectors.

So, if these people are to win this game, they are going to have to go after the College Boards and the Governor of the State and have them all fired. imho

Only that highest level of public level exposures are going to allow those harmed to win.