The Big Question of Our Day: What is the Purpose of Society?

It is my belief that one of the biggest questions of our day, and the very reason many of us find ourselves interested in conspiracy theories and conspiracy research is because of the question of what the nature and purpose of society is.

Let's face facts...many of us are interested in conspiratorial type things because we observe that things are screwed up, we see patterns, people, and organizations at work, and we develop an interest in these topics because we are sick and tired of what we plainly see, despite the bizarre reasons psychologists hypothesize are the driving mechanisms which cause us to find interest in these topics, such as some strange desire on the part of each of us to be part of a conspiracy -no kidding, that is one of the main theories these pseudo-logicians came up with!

There are a plethora of theories out there as to who or what is responsible for the state of our world, and I'm as interested in them as the next person, but at the heart of everything stands one constant factor – SOCIETY. Well, how can we even say society is screwed up if we are not first positive within ourselves about the very nature and purpose of it? Furthermore, can many of our beliefs about certain conspiracies be more adequately explained by the very natural phenomenon of a battle which is taking place over the idea of what the nature and purpose of society is?

If you belonged to a camp which believed in a particular purpose, would you not openly write about how to implement your ideas for society in texts targeted to those with similar beliefs? And if you believed in a particular society would you not join an association which held similar views and goals? Perhaps even a secretive society?

What I am saying is that all of us long for a solution. Well, how are we supposed to find a solution either collectively or individually if we haven't thought long and hard about the nature and purpose of society?

Barring any conspiracy, wouldn't it still be possible for us to locate and find the heart of the problem, or the "what", and focus upon that? Well, it is my belief that the "what" is found in this question: "What is the purpose of society?" So I bring this question to your attention because it is, in my opinion, the root or pivotal issue which underlies all the conspiracies and the mess of a world which we have today.

The word "society" comes from the Latin societas, which is derived from the noun socius, meaning "comrade, friend, or ally". Society can be defined as a group of people, who share a common economic, social and industrial infrastructure for the purpose of supporting each other in various ways, but why? Who is it supposed to benefit, and what is it supposed to accomplish? Is it voluntary, and what does it mean for individual autonomy?

Does a society benefit everyone? Does it do so all of the time? Is a society meant to benefit the majority, the minority, the whole, a handful at the top, who? Without answering these questions throwing out terms like "progress" are meaningless. Progress for what? Towards what? For who? At what cost? If society is really supposed to be voluntary, then why is homelessness a crime? Is it wrong for participation in society to be mandatory? Article 20 of the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights would seem to indicate that societal participation should never be mandatory, and that people should be able to drop out altogether should they choose, stating: No one may be compelled to belong to an association (with our society supposedly being a voluntary association).

So does the purpose of society require mandatory participation? If so, then it would seem one of the purposes of society is to control the individual, meaning any attempt to control the individual is not a conspiracy at all, unless you don't believe in forced participation. If you believe that society should be controlling the individual and doing so forcefully if necessary (such as arresting the homeless or those who refuse to participate), then you are now stuck justifying why you believe tools such as propaganda are wrong. What makes any one type of control worse than another? Certainly controlling what you think is "for the good of society" through the use of propaganda is no greater an evil than controlling whether or not you participate.

I for one, do not believe societal participation should be mandatory, although I am at a loss as to a solution on where such people should go who do not believe in any existing society and thus choose not to participate, since there is no place for them. That being the case, if there is nowhere to go, then the fact of the matter is that we are all slaves to society whether or not we like it – there is no true individual liberty. That also means that control over the masses is justified, since that is what a society does. That leaves one issue: Who should society benefit? The way societies are currently set-up and run, it is impossible for them to benefit all individuals all the time, and thus they are not currently designed for the whole to benefit. This is the problem that many of us have with society, since we are individuals.

Society is not being used in a manner most would deem "humane" or for the "common good". Most would think that the goal and purpose of a society should be to benefit the maximum number of people (the whole if possible) in a maximum number of ways, a maximum number of times. We don't see that, which is why the world is upsidedown. It is not that society has necessarily failed, but that the tools of a society: economy, government, morality/religion, the sciences, arts and education, are all being used improperly, and to benefit a tiny few at the expense of the whole. The majority is thrown a few scraps and some entertainment to keep them from rebelling against the philosopher-kings. The Dialogues of Plato clearly outline this "art of man-herding", which it calls "the great work." Hmm...what secretive society uses the term "the great work?"

The evidence of society's current failure is in the fact that people must work 60+ hours a week to make ends meet. Is that living? Is that progress? What a life! You get to miss out on your children being raised and only travel every other year for one week while you spend the rest of your life producing some junk that no one even needs, they just think they want it. High crime is more evidence of the failures of society's current direction. People would not commit crimes if their lives were actually being improved by society. More jails and more laws are not the answer, a better society is the answer! Maybe higher taxes and forcing people into hybrid cars is the answer to improving society, but I don't think so. Maybe people just need better education? Then again, maybe they just need to have time to live rather than slave away for some mysterious concept called "progress"? Maybe instead of making better cell phones we should be producing food for the hungry or building up their societies so they can have a better life? How good do our cell phones need to be? When do we take a pause in our technological progress to lift the very people supporting the system up out of their condition? When both parents have to work now just to feed a family, we are not progressing. When more people are working less, but living better, then we are progressing.

Society has some great things to offer, but many of us recognize it is going in a very bad direction which does not benefit even the majority. So what is the purpose of society? My answer is based on what I believe the purpose of man is, in this life.

"The purpose of this life is to sustain our existence in the least intrusive manner necessary in order to attain the greatest possible abundance of personal and communal experiences of a positive nature."

That statement is greater expanded upon here:

philosophiastoned.blogspot.com...

Therefore, I believe the purpose of society is: "to aid in the sustainment of the existence of the whole of its members, in the least intrusive manner necessary, in order to help as many of its members as possible (all preferably) attain the greatest possible abundance of personal and communal experiences of a positive nature. And if possible, to improve upon the ways in which it seeks to carry out that mission."

That statement also expanded upon here:

philosophiastoned.blogspot.com...

It is my belief that if society sought this purpose, and were capable of remaining on track, many of our lives would be better, and there would be much less argument about intrusion and loss of liberty. In any event, nothing is going to get solved until we have reached a consensus on what the purpose of society is supposed to be.

The world is in, and remains in, a state of chaos and confusion because frankly not enough people sit down and think this very question out, we just accept what we were born into as all that we know, and we blindly exclaim "progress!" with little clue as to what exactly we are progressing towards, or even what or who for.

So what do you believe the purpose of society is? Who do you believe it is supposed to benefit? Once we know that, we can then start discussing real solutions because the solutions will come as natural conclusions to our belief in the purpose of society. Like a physician curing disease, the cure to society's ills is not found without (like in a plant somewhere in the jungle), but found within (as in understanding how the body works and why it is ill in the first place).

Good post.

This is indeed the core issue of all the problems in the world.
Instead of thinking these questions you stated above, politicians only try to improve on totally outdated systems and beliefs that go way back. They are again and again coming up with new and improved versions of cures for a disease they themselves are keeping alive and propagating.

Are most politicians (and most citizens for that matter) too ignorant to see this simple fact, too occupied? too stupid? or too afraid??
Maybe all of them to some degree but i really think that the system is highjacked by people who want to keep the status quo and will use every trick in the book to keep the lid on the truth.
And of course most people fear change, so this is also why this mess is dragging on for so long.

If people would have been giving a glimpse how lovely and furfulling life can be in a harmonious society, they would never stand for this slavery that has been going on since the beginning of man.I am sure there are countless examples to show from this universe.

It's been my understanding (and I may be wrong) that societies where made gradually when humans discovered working together made everyone's survival that much easier to protect and uphold. They made tribes, which to me sounds like another way of saying "Early, Small societies". Without going down the line of history; This is what I think society's main purpose was.. At least at first.

Today It seems to me that the purpose has grown much larger, as the 'tribe's' population grew and technology improved. It usually takes care of the first main objectives of shelter, food, mating options, child rearing. but I think it has now taken on some new goals. Those seem to be 'Buy, Sell, Profit, Populate, Build, Destroy, Profit, Control, Win, Profit, War, Populate, Control, Lie, Profit, Win' Or something along those lines. It's my personal opinion of course, But I feel society has "lost it's way" so to speak. Today it's purposes are many, and hidden, and the reasoning obscure..

EDIT: I realized there was one word that could be used to explain what i think today's society's goal is: Dominate.. Take that as you will..

Originally posted by Senser
Good post.

This is indeed the core issue of all the problems in the world.
Instead of thinking these questions you stated above, politicians only try to improve on totally outdated systems and beliefs that go way back. They are again and again coming up with new and improved versions of cures for a disease they themselves are keeping alive and propagating.

Are most politicians (and most citizens for that matter) too ignorant to see this simple fact, too occupied? too stupid? or too afraid??
Maybe all of them to some degree but i really think that the system is highjacked by people who want to keep the status quo and will use every trick in the book to keep the lid on the truth.
And of course most people fear change, so this is also why this mess is dragging on for so long.

If people would have been giving a glimpse how lovely and furfulling life can be in a harmonious society, they would never stand for this slavery that has been going on since the beginning of man.I am sure there are countless examples to show from this universe.

Yes. I think that either the entire formula is wrong, or we need to step back and reevaluate just what it is we are trying to accomplish with this thing called "society". My main point was, that if the general masses would entertain the question of, "What is the purpose of society?" for just a little bit, then maybe the elites (or whoever) wouldn't be able to get away with any of the stuff that is happening. Maybe people would better understand our direction, and maybe care for our fellow man and all life on planet earth would become a larger issue?

Originally posted by Inquisitive1
It's been my understanding (and I may be wrong) that societies where made gradually when humans discovered working together made everyone's survival that much easier to protect and uphold. They made tribes, which to me sounds like another way of saying "Early, Small societies". Without going down the line of history; This is what I think society's main purpose was.. At least at first.

Today It seems to me that the purpose has grown much larger, as the 'tribe's' population grew and technology improved. It usually takes care of the first main objectives of shelter, food, mating options, child rearing. but I think it has now taken on some new goals. Those seem to be 'Buy, Sell, Profit, Populate, Build, Destroy, Profit, Control, Win, Profit, War, Populate, Control, Lie, Profit, Win' Or something along those lines. It's my personal opinion of course, But I feel society has "lost it's way" so to speak. Today it's purposes are many, and hidden, and the reasoning obscure..

EDIT: I realized there was one word that could be used to explain what i think today's society's goal is: Dominate.. Take that as you will..

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Yes. I completely agree with you that society is currently used for ill reasons. It has lost its way, and we need to get back on track or just chuck the whole thing, hit the reset button and start over. Society, in my opinion, was originally about protection and also about making life easier, but it no longer does those things for the individual, which is why individuals signed on to the whole deal in the first place. Now, it is about society protecting itself and ensuring its survival. It has become a "beast", some great creature which was and is and will be. It is not human, but is an entriely different animal which seems to have turned on us. It no longer exists as a tool for the masses, but rather the masses are a tool for it.

I can understand people signing on to society back in ancient times to protect them from bad people and huge armies, and even at the cost of being ruled by another tyrant, but this is certainly not necessary today. The whole world is much more enlightened and we have found our own ways of dealing with tyrants, so there really is no reason any longer for anyone in this world to put up with a society which does not serve the masses in a true and proper way. It is time for a change in which society becomes the tool of men once again, and not the other way around.

Society should serve the purpose of sustaining its members (as many as possible) in the least intrusive way, and seek to simplify and enhance their lives in that same unintrusive way.

I always regarded society as the system that made us human – but that’s not strictly true – cos chimpanzees have ‘societies’. It is the development of a system that seeks to negate the requirements of ‘survival of the fittest’, to pull our recourses and to provide and care for the more vulnerable of our species.

It seems that the modern version of society wasn’t quite ready for the sweeping changes the technological revolution has brought us. We hadn’t ever really recovered from the shock of the industrial revolution. We stick with the same old modus operandi because ‘that’s the way it is’. More and more we’re going to be forced to ask questions such as the OP posted as events take over us.

When the web first came into being you could hear tptb panic as kids demonstrated greater knowledge and abilities than their highly paid ‘specialists’. People...actual people were talking to each other....globally !! (they must have been freaking) That’s more than a generation ago now. Now we hear them thinking ‘hmmm....how can we abuse this to our benefit?’ And they’re getting better at that.

We’re so used to cities – but I reckon they’re part of the problem. They were developed as centres of trade and their populations greatly increased for the labour required during the industrial revolution. That revolution has moved east – and our cities are a remnant of a bygone era.

With modern technologies – we can move back to smaller communities. Produce and consume locally where possible and get to know our neighbours again.

Originally posted by christina-66
I always regarded society as the system that made us human – but that’s not strictly true – cos chimpanzees have ‘societies’. It is the development of a system that seeks to negate the requirements of ‘survival of the fittest’, to pull our recourses and to provide and care for the more vulnerable of our species.

It seems that the modern version of society wasn’t quite ready for the sweeping changes the technological revolution has brought us. We hadn’t ever really recovered from the shock of the industrial revolution. We stick with the same old modus operandi because ‘that’s the way it is’. More and more we’re going to be forced to ask questions such as the OP posted as events take over us.

When the web first came into being you could hear tptb panic as kids demonstrated greater knowledge and abilities than their highly paid ‘specialists’. People...actual people were talking to each other....globally !! (they must have been freaking) That’s more than a generation ago now. Now we hear them thinking ‘hmmm....how can we abuse this to our benefit?’ And they’re getting better at that.

We’re so used to cities – but I reckon they’re part of the problem. They were developed as centres of trade and their populations greatly increased for the labour required during the industrial revolution. That revolution has moved east – and our cities are a remnant of a bygone era.

With modern technologies – we can move back to smaller communities. Produce and consume locally where possible and get to know our neighbours again.

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Wow! It is the development of a system that seeks to negate the requirements of ‘survival of the fittest’, to pull our recourses and to provide and care for the more vulnerable of our species. - I like that. Unfortunately, we've got "survival of the fittest" on our brains as a society, and it is most certainly not being used for what you suggest it should be for.

Yes. Perhaps it is time to rethink the formula for society? Perhaps we have progressed to such a point that the formula we have used for tens of thousands of years is no longer adequate and in the best interest of its members, but that is an enormous step that should be taken very carefully. I think there are signs of that sort of thinking though in the "back to the earth" movements and such.

We really only have two options facing us and which one we arrive at will be due to whether or not people think out this question. Will we take society in a good and proper direction, or will we blindly walk into a nightmare world of the Borg where we are all controlled, tracked, and traced and maybe even completely controlled "upstairs"?

The masses need to really think through what exactly it is we are doing with this great experiment called society, and just exactly where we are going with it and why, before it is too late. Who is the experiment of society meant to serve and who will it be serving when we have perished and our children are left with our choices?

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Yes. I completely agree with you that society is currently used for ill reasons. It has lost its way, and we need to get back on track or just chuck the whole thing, hit the reset button and start over. Society, in my opinion, was originally about protection and also about making life easier, but it no longer does those things for the individual, which is why individuals signed on to the whole deal in the first place. Now, it is about society protecting itself and ensuring its survival. It has become a "beast", some great creature which was and is and will be. It is not human, but is an entriely different animal which seems to have turned on us. It no longer exists as a tool for the masses, but rather the masses are a tool for it. I can understand people signing on to society back in ancient times to protect them from bad people and huge armies, and even at the cost of being ruled by another tyrant, but this is certainly not necessary today. The whole world is much more enlightened and we have found our own ways of dealing with tyrants, so there really is no reason any longer for anyone in this world to put up with a society which does not serve the masses in a true and proper way. It is time for a change in which society becomes the tool of men once again, and not the other way around. Society should serve the purpose of sustaining its members (as many as possible) in the least intrusive way, and seek to simplify and enhance their lives in that same unintrusive way.

I completely agree. Society is no longer serving its original purpose (Well enough, that is) Because it has become the Beast you speak of. It now does far more harm than good, And should be scrapped... Or slain if you will. This is a necessary step, IMO, to reaching any sort of human growth and progress. I use those words (Growth and Progress) to mean some step, however small, to a positive evolution of our species. In whatever way or form is comes about (Most likely knowledge, and understanding). We've been stifled by the very institutions, traditions, and systems we've created, and we will remain stifled for as long as we allow them to continue. The system of today's society seems to have been designed to fail, or at least struggle along so long as there is some form of fiat money to keep pumping into it.

Fortunately, many are beginning to see this beast's many weaknesses.. Mainly that it needs US to feed it..

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Society, IMO is just a name that has been given to the natural instincts we have as a species to commune with each other. In the early years we gathered in groups of families to defend ourselves from predators and other groups. We found as a species that we could defend ourselves far better in larger numbers and the larger the numbers the better. This is where cities and towns came from, we worked together to build these constructs. However, in today's era the opposite seems to be true, you are far more vulnerable when in a city than in the country, go figure? Lol.

I believe that soon these cities and largely populated areas are going to be unsustainable, I think we have reached a peak in these areas, if the population is not spread into other areas to take off the pressure then we will eventually see a crumbling. One of the main reasons things are becomming unsustainable is the corrruption at the highest levels of power. These large cities make TPTB very uncomfortable, for it is very difficult to maintain power over so many in such a small areas of land.

So we can tax others to get what we want.

That's what it appears to me.

The purpose of a society here on this planet is to turn corrupt.

Just a thought.

Pin up girl for the Conservatives never believed in society.

There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women, and there are families.

Read more: www.brainyquote.com...

Margaret Thatcher.

And so spawned an era of rabid individualism and a break down in society that we are still suffering from today.

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This truly is a fundamental question that requires to be considered and debated but it's something that's been missing my whole life i.e. A statement of the goals of the society I participate in. What the hell's it all for? What's the big picture? What's the point? They attempted to reduce our purpose to one of consumerism - a vacuous existence. It felt alien and it hasn't worked.

In a way (and I'm sorry if you've been directly affected) I'm glad the credit game caved in. I hope that the pursuit of money for money's sake becomes so passée...and that we start valuing alternative facets of our existence using technology to best advantage. The collapse of consumerism is a big opportunity to change our priorities.

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Define the word conspiracy and you have your answer. Society is a well governed affair between God and man. Anything against this covenant is as conspiracy against God or those who follow the law of God in society. The purpose is to produce peace and tranquility for the many so that the few do not rule over the liberties and freedoms of the many.

Con means against. Spirit is the law or intention of what we do by intent. Intent is by design and intention is the purpose for how we act according to the spirit we follow. Spirit is consciousness.

Conspiracy is an agreement between two or more individuals to act against a law. The primary law of God is love and equality in unity toward His purposes for us in society.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit of God is the ultimate conspiracy. It says that God does not exist. This implies that spirit (Consciousness) is the byproduct of matter, placing matter above the spirit. In actuality, the spirit is what pre-exists matter. Light is both a particle and wave. Depending on its observation, it acts according to the intent of the observer. We create the world by spirit, not the other way around. When the world creates us, we are against the spirit and the laws of God.

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To be social?


Society is a means of sharing the responsibilities required to house clothe entertain and feed a group of people.

The early and most primitive wanderers consisted of immediate family only.

One member was assigned to hold the burning ember to start the fire from place to place.
That guy is now the Electric and Gas Company.

Another group within the tribe were the hunters and helped kill game to feed the group. They were the strongest and fastest or most cunning among the tribe.

Others prepared the food. Now we have slaughterhouses, supermarkets and restaurants.

One or a few knew about plants and herbs and practiced medicine on the other members and passed this specialized knowledge along. Now we have Pfizer and Squibb and Merck

Everyone pitched in to build houses and dwellings even if they were temporary.

Old folks taught the youngest and so stayed very useful and needed through out their span of life. Now we discard our old folks.

A good question. I wonder what society sets out to accomplish for us now a days?

It might be better to venture off alone.

Great thread. I've been thinking about this lately.Our society is a bunch of sheep electing wolves, it's hive mind thinking, our society is fake, people letting other people think for them. You can not have a society without problems, because people have problems and they run it, and the people that they run have problems too. Society has to have an authority, and i'm not a big fan of being told what to do.





^ here are some good vids on it imo, from a Buddhist monk perspective.

Great responses! I am glad to see that at least some individuals out there take this question as a very serious one. It seems I am not alone in pondering this fundamental question of late.

As you can tell from my Screen Name I am one of those people who doesn't quite fit into any of the socially predetermined camps. I am somewhere between a hillbilly and a hippie, once more, I would state that many hillbillies and hippies really fit in somewhere in the middle, but they somehow feel they have to choose a side. But when you get down to it, we all ran barefoot - I just happened to do it while I was building forts and picking berries as a child. Back then, I didn't care about social status, philosophy, politics, or any conventional abstractions, I just wanted to experience life (and I'm not much different today). Thinking of that, it makes one wonder how we could get so brainwashed and downright evil towards one another to choose sides and insult one another over idealogical differences. Back when I was a kid, I would have just asked you if you wanted to help build the fort and I would have showed you where to find the berries to snack on. I'd still do that today, if I wouldn't likely get arrested for being a grown man illegally building a structure in the woods - LOL.

As I initially intended to say, I've been thinking about these questions and the false divisions placed among people in society. I'd been doing a study on the hippie movement, having known most of it already, and I am convinced it originally started like any underground movement or counterculture/subculture in which it was originally legitimate, but everyone and their uncle who had a political or social goal hopped on the bandwagon and exploited the movement, in fact hijacked the movement, to get their revolutionary ideas through (as is usually the case). I am convinced it was originally more of a movement centered around the philosophical school of Cynicism. The Cynics were perhaps, the first and very ancient hippies. We might have even considered them hillbillies (at least those of us who've actually lived among real honest-to-god hillbillies would have), whereas back then, they just called them "dogs".

Anyway, the hippie movement at its roots really had the same idea as the Cynics, which was that the great experiment of "civilized" society had been a miserable failure. People had realized that the great suffering in the world was due to the false values which society creates, and I am of the opinion, as Diogenes of Sinope seemed to be, that the very nature of civilized society is anti-human progression. Sure, it appears to bring about progress, but what it really does is diconnect us farther and farther from our true self. Now, I wouldn't go as extreme as Diogenes by any means, but I do think he made some great points with his antics.

It just seems to me that society is messed up. I don't know if the whole thing is wrong or not, although on some days I am certain of it, but it is most certain that trying to fix it from within has not worked and is not going to work (by that I mean trying to patch it with new philosophical bandaides). I am convinced there is something fundamentally wrong with the formula and we will be prisoners until we figure that out as a whole. Or maybe, perhaps it was as good as it can get when we were back in the pioneer days?

The thing is, we only need massive societies because some people are bad and they will rape and kill and pillage, and we seek protection from that. So, as long as such people exist, or we allow ourselves to be scared of them, or until we find a new way to defend ourselves against them which does not require a massive civilization, there will always be the slave-master relationship of us and the beast of society. Much smaller groups are our natural way of living, and I am convinced, that is the way God intended it, despite the false biblical concept of some Cultural Mandate. If someone really believes that Cultural Mandate stuff, then I say their God is really Society itself - they worship the beast.

Fundamentally, everything which is wrong with the world (which is not simply a problem of nature, such as dying) can be traced to the concept of massive society. Really, we have traded in happiness for convenience and then we call that convenience happiness - how sad. People just love what they think it provides them so much that they are never going to give it up - they'd rather destroy themselves and the planet to keep it. They can't imagine that something so simple would be more fulfilling. I mean, what good is all of it if we never get to enjoy our lives and experience this world?

I am convinced this is the fundamental question. People just come up with different entities to represent the cancer of society (whatever your conspiracy), but it is all based around these questions: "What is the purpose of society? What are we doing?"

Forget society, forget the 'we'.
What is your purpose? What are you doing?
Everything changes when you start asking yourself 'What am I?'.
The 'I' has been forgotten and replaced by 'society'.
Start with what you can know.
You are not in a society. Society is a bunch of ideas that you have. The ideas about society are ideas you hold. You are the holder of the world. The 'world' exists in you as an idea.
You have to exist for any ideas to be had.
You are primary.
What are you?

'The world' is messed up. The 'things' (the content) of your experience is always changing but the mind makes something appear solid by naming it and then having ideas about it - 'the world' is messed up. Really there is only your experience in the moment. Nothing solid really. Language names and labels and from there a story can be written, the story is either a story about it being bad or a story about it being good. "The world is messed up", is a story appearing presently. Who is hearing the story? The hearer is always there no matter what story appears. The hearer, the seer, the taster is always present even prior to the appearances.

'Out there' in the world there is confusion. The confusion lies in the belief in 'out there'. There is no 'out there' and there is no 'inside me'. It is one. What is happening presently in awareness (as awareness) is happening, all the rest is stories, stories of angels and demons, of past and future all appearing as 'this' to 'this'.

I think the mechanisms of society such as sustain the many for the good is only part of the answer, evolving is the next step and why is the final question.

We are part of society and have to give back. We have to experience the world and make decisions that could better society or evolve it.

Either we all evolve together or have a breakaway society.

Why starts to touch on more religious aspects, to be Gods senses or to prove our moral standing to God?

It seems inevitable that we would evolve into a more conscious state so possibly that is that right direction, the one that not only evolves us but in a way that makes us more in control, more complex in thought rather than just many and comfortable.

So if you are looking for reason possibly you should be looking for a way for us to evolve for the better, that we can experience more. Pass on knowledge and good direction through energy and take pride in that.

Do not stop because you don't know the end only hope it will be good. Best thing is you get a chance to make it so.