Former Intelligence Asset and Mercenary Operative Here For Your Questions

Originally posted by The GUT I betcha we find out though, eh?

Betcha don't but drop by "there" anytime and "talk shop".

Originally posted by LiveToSpendIt

Originally posted by The GUT I betcha we find out though, eh?

Betcha don't but drop by "there" anytime and "talk shop".

So you are off to the swamps...live with the gators? Start a new business, where it's harder shut down your operations.
Trolling for new marks......just my witchey sense at "play" here. /remote viewing so to speak....

reply to post by Destinyone
Har! A sharp wit and a razor mind you are Destinyone.

Tough crowd here, Frank. Fambly. Smart. But I'm havin' fun ain't you?

Originally posted by The GUT
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Har! A sharp wit and a razor mind you are Destinyone.

Tough crowd here, Frank. Fambly. Smart. But I'm havin' fun ain't you?

Don't much read the naysayers, GUT, see you got the testimony. More later.

Fun? Fun is taking the checkers, GUT.

Well, I didn't read it all, more in certain parts than others but the senate hearing document has a ring of truth feel to it so far.

My take is that most of your intelligence work for the FBI & Military Intelligence was rather loose in most cases and it looks like to me you were building somewhat of a network and looking to establish yourself with both organizations in an attempt to be more of player in that scene.

The foreign stuff was a little more impressive. And Sen. Kerry does give a shout out and some impressive kudos to your Vietnam record and jungle skills…the good parts that is. I bet you know what an article 15 is, Frank, I sure do ouch heheh.

Just a few quotes from the testimony below. I think they are kind of cute. Let me say here that I haven't verified the senate hearing testimony Frank linked me to, but first look seems good.

It should also be mentioned that Frank was doing 14 years Federal time at the time of this appearance.

Senator MCCONNELL: How does one start a mercenary school?

Mr. Camper: Well, at the time there was nothing like that.

Senator MCCONNELL: That is encouraging.,,

...Senator KERRY: Did it strike you ever-I mean it strikes me a little
strange sitting here-but did it strike you ever that here you are
sitting with people from foreign countries coming through learning
assassination, bombing, and other things. I mean, how do you sit down in
Alabama and just teach that stuff?

Mr. Camper: Well, there were subjects that I knew very well.

Senator KERRY: Well, obviously, you did, but that does not mean that
they are good things to be teaching people.

Mr. Camper: No, in general, they are not good things to teach to the
public at large. But there are people who would be in the trade who do
have a need to know.

And in my general courses we didn't get into the
more exotic forms-say, for instance, Mossad assassination techniques. In
the general courses it was more or less simple patrol tactics and
foreign weapons.

And it would only be in the advanced courses, for certain people who
would get, you know, the more advanced training.

Senator KERRY: Well, how did you ever get that training? LRRP training,
while it is extensive, and I understand that you learn about as much as
there is to know, it is not quite as extensive as those other exotic
things, is it?

All in all a fun and informative read, Frank.

Originally posted by The GUTMy take is that most of your intelligence work for the FBI & Military Intelligence was rather loose in most cases and it looks like to me you were building somewhat of a network and looking to establish yourself with both organizations in an attempt to be more of player in that scene.

Missed on that one, GUT. Most, almost all, was well missioned, they or I changed the direction according to changin needs, threats or demands. For instance, if the mission was to take out competing drug lords or Commie wannabe or installed gov't leaders, then the overall mission stayed the same. the ops changed by necissity, no sense utilizing plans that had nasty endings for the team.

I see below that you might have meant domestic work, that was less structured because the domestic authorizing agencies and handlers were local as in right over there --->

Originally posted by The GUTThe foreign stuff was a little more impressive. And Sen. Kerry does give a shout out and some impressive kudos to your Vietnam record and jungle skills…the good parts that is. I bet you know what an article 15 is, Frank, I sure do ouch heheh.

As I do Posse Comitas GUT.

Originally posted by The GUTJust a few quotes from the testimony below. I think they are kind of cute. Let me say here that I haven't verified the senate hearing testimony Frank linked me to, but first look seems good.

It should also be mentioned that Frank was doing 14 years Federal time at the time of this appearance.

5.5 years of which I spent a total of 120 days incarcerated, made for a great cover, yes? Now of the 120 days, 90 or so was complete solitary confinement after I got into a brawl with a cadre of bikers after they viewed a 60 Minutes re-run which they felt made me look like a police undercover agent. they moved me to over 20 prisons including a few that don't exist.

Senator MCCONNELL: How does one start a mercenary school?

Mr. Camper: Well, at the time there was nothing like that.

Senator MCCONNELL: That is encouraging.,,

...Senator KERRY: Did it strike you ever-I mean it strikes me a little
strange sitting here-but did it strike you ever that here you are
sitting with people from foreign countries coming through learning
assassination, bombing, and other things. I mean, how do you sit down in
Alabama and just teach that stuff?

Mr. Camper: Well, there were subjects that I knew very well.

Senator KERRY: Well, obviously, you did, but that does not mean that
they are good things to be teaching people.

Mr. Camper: No, in general, they are not good things to teach to the
public at large. But there are people who would be in the trade who do
have a need to know.

And in my general courses we didn't get into the
more exotic forms-say, for instance, Mossad assassination techniques. In
the general courses it was more or less simple patrol tactics and
foreign weapons.

And it would only be in the advanced courses, for certain people who
would get, you know, the more advanced training.

Senator KERRY: Well, how did you ever get that training? LRRP training,
while it is extensive, and I understand that you learn about as much as
there is to know, it is not quite as extensive as those other exotic
things, is it?

Originally posted by The GUTAll in all a fun and informative read, Frank.

edit on 25-11-2011 by The GUT because: (no reason given)

Kerry's an ass, btw.

You're a rascal, but I don't think you're a villian. Sharp intellect too. I think FBI Agent Cecil Moses says some significant and fairly nice things about you in the following seemingly very balanced article from the Seattle Times.

Secret Agent Man: Trainer Of Guerrillas Was An FBI Informant -- That Career Ended With Conviction In Bomb Plot


It's a really good read. You continue to grow on me, but I don't think every thing you did was purely in the service of intelligence agencies and the good ol' USA. You've got a bit o' the rogue in you and you darn well know it.

At this point in time though, ol' timer, I think we should pause for some wise and germane words from one of our famous American philosophers--Bruce Springsteen that is:

"I hope when I get older I don't sit around thinking about 'em but I probably will...those glory days."

Originally posted by The GUT
You're a rascal, but I don't think you're a villian. Sharp intellect too. I think FBI Agent Cecil Moses says some significant and fairly nice things about you in the following seemingly very balanced article from the Seattle Times.

Secret Agent Man: Trainer Of Guerrillas Was An FBI Informant -- That Career Ended With Conviction In Bomb Plot


It's a really good read. You continue to grow on me, but I don't think every thing you did was purely in the service of intelligence agencies and the good ol' USA. You've got a bit o' the rogue in you and you darn well know it.

At this point in time though, ol' timer, I think we should pause for some wise and germane words from one of our famous American philosophers--Bruce Springsteen that is:

"I hope when I get older I don't sit around thinking about 'em but I probably will...those glory days."

edit on 26-11-2011 by The GUT because: (no reason given)

If Springsteen had been alive in the 60s-early 70s, he might have ended up like Morrison, Bonham, Joplin, Moon, Elliot, Hendrix and Brian whtshisname.

The FBI was tough but very fair and they designed COINTELPRO just for me.

I'm pretty sure I need to apologize. I'm sorry for being an ass, you seem like the real deal. Soo many people claim to be people they sure as hell aren't though.

Originally posted by superman2012
I'm pretty sure I need to apologize. I'm sorry for being an ass, you seem like the real deal. Soo many people claim to be people they sure as hell aren't though.

Friendly fire although not amusing is to be expected.

Just posting to give your thread a 'bump' as I have thus far, been intrigued by your story.

Some years ago whilst staying in Rio De Janeiro, I was fortunate to meet an ex British secret service operative who was, at the time doing some "work" in Iraq.

Whilst very limited in the tales he would/could relate (including working directly with the Royals), he suggested some books for me to read which, according to him, were based on himself and some of his experiences; "No mean Soldier" and "See you in November" are two that come to mind.

Is it easier to relate your experience through a novel?
ie. Can you simply call it fiction and blurt the truth? or do you call it non-fiction and carefully monitor yourself?

Looking forward to hearing more from you LiveToSpendIt .

Originally posted by Timely
Just posting to give your thread a 'bump' as I have thus far, been intrigued by your story.

Some years ago whilst staying in Rio De Janeiro, I was fortunate to meet an ex British secret service operative who was, at the time doing some "work" in Iraq.

Whilst very limited in the tales he would/could relate (including working directly with the Royals), he suggested some books for me to read which, according to him, were based on himself and some of his experiences; "No mean Soldier" and "See you in November" are two that come to mind.

Is it easier to relate your experience through a novel?
ie. Can you simply call it fiction and blurt the truth? or do you call it non-fiction and carefully monitor yourself?

Every author with a covert operative or asset background has a different set of rules which will allow/limit what he can put to print. In my case, I never asked, I submitted manuscripts to the various intel agencies (CIA, FBI, ATF, Mossad, MIx. others) and waited to see how much black (redaction) came back.

It would vary and fiction or non fiction made no difference (in my case at least) since it had my name on it. After Air India and the Merc School, I was pretty well known.

Typically I would write 3 pages and have 1 returned redacted. Because the redactions would sometimes kill that sequence or story or whatever, I would have to toss the entire thing.

E.g. A mind controlled honeypot who I often traveled but was entirely unknown before I used her name - Lee Ann Faulk - I wrote a sequence of three chapters which highlighted her activities. I expected none of it would fly and all three came back clean.

Eric Haney's "Inside Delta Force" came back relatively untouched; Bob Baer's book "Dealing with the Devil We Know: Dealing with the New Iranian Superpower" was chewed up until it was "baerly" publishable.

By far, by far, the easiest way is to include disinfo that the agency wants you to insert. Then you can get to the more closely held to the vest material.

Btw, the best stuff is often not classified. True this.

Originally posted by Timely
Just posting to give your thread a 'bump' as I have thus far, been intrigued by your story...Looking forward to hearing more from you LiveToSpendIt .

Won't ramble out loud but will answer questions...see the previous page.

Originally posted by LiveToSpendIt

Originally posted by Timely
Just posting to give your thread a 'bump' as I have thus far, been intrigued by your story...Looking forward to hearing more from you LiveToSpendIt .

Won't ramble out loud but will answer questions...see the previous page.

O.K. what can you tell us about Manuel Noriega, any personal involvement on your part?
(word is the CIA had a green light to gunrunners and various other "unsavoury types' ... (pawns) )

Originally posted by TimelyO.K. what can you tell us about Manuel Noriega, any personal involvement on your part? (word is the CIA had a green light to gunrunners and various other "unsavoury types' ... (pawns) )

He's on his way home...not good...in Panama, he's toast.

Noriega was CIA trained, installed and somewhat controlled asset since the late 50s, early 60s and if he hadn't tried to play two ends against the middle with GW Bush, no telling where he would be today. Once he did that giving info to Castro and the Sandinistas, Bush could no longer trust him. With Iran/contra staring Bush down, it was time to roust up all the peeps who could blow holes in his plausible deniability (including yours truly) and head them off to the stockades.

Or kill them.

I had a short stint with Noriega training his security forces. Other than that, most of my info re: Panama was through the arms and drug swaps through Nicaragua, Costa Rica and my home base, Honduras. I wasn't involved directly in the guns4drugs trade, my work was "aimed" at the locals.

We left the guns4drugs stuff to John Hull and Tom Posey's mercs. They liked to get a high-high anyway and I wasn't a druggie.

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Thanks for your insight Frank, hope either myself or other members can come up with some more thought provoking questions for you. ( I will more than likely have some more questions after I speak with my Father-in-law, who also has some wonderful tales :wow )
Cheers for now.

Jumping off the track for a minute, here is a blogtype from Peter Dale Scott who I used for a major component of my research on all things JFK...

Peter Dale Scott On 9/11, Watergate, Iran Contra

"While Iran-Contra exposed the $32 million which Saudi Arabia, at the urging of CIA Director William Casey, had supplied to the Contras, not a word was whispered about the $500 million or more that the Saudis, again at the urging of Casey, had supplied in the same period to the Afghan mujahedin.40 In this sense the drama of Iran-Contra in Congress can be thought of as a misdirection play, directing public attention away from America’s much more intensive engagement in Afghanistan – a covert policy that has since evolved into America’s longest war.

We should expand our consciousness of Iran-Contra to think of it as Iran-Afghan-Contra. And if we do, we must acknowledge that in this complex and misunderstood deep event the CIA in Afghanistan exercised again the paramilitary capacity that Stansfield Turner had tried to terminate when he was CIA Director under Jimmy Carter. This was a victory in short for the faction of men like Richard Blee, the protector of al-Mihdhar as well as the advocate in 2000 for enhanced CIA paramilitary activity in Afghanistan"

Speak it, Brother. After having spent a couple of years in Saudi Arabia with what is now known as the Vinnell Corp., in the employ of the Saudi royals, it was plain as a hot Valhalla day that the major play was not in Central/Latin America (where I ended up) but in the Afghan/Paki poppy fields.

When I/C hit the papers, we in CA/LA were stunned. Not because ops there weren't of major consequence - we were fiddling around with a sh**load of lives and governments - but comparatively...

Originally posted by The GUT

At this point in time though, ol' timer, I think we should pause for some wise and germane words from one of our famous American philosophers--Bruce Springsteen that is:

"I hope when I get older I don't sit around thinking about 'em but I probably will...those glory days."

Originally posted by LiveToSpendIt
If Springsteen had been alive in the 60s-early 70s, he might have ended up like Morrison, Bonham, Joplin, Moon, Elliot, Hendrix and Brian whtshisname.

The FBI was tough but very fair and they designed COINTELPRO just for me.

ATS readers either missed this reference or didn't give a damn but reading Peter Dale Scott's recent blog that I linked above regarding these "untimely deaths" or "suicidings" I thought I would retrace.

Scott:

"We must understand that the income disparity of America’s current economy was not the result of market forces working independently of political intervention. In large part it was generated by a systematic and deliberate ongoing political process dating from the anxieties of the very wealthy in the 1960s and 1970s that control of the country was slipping away from them...We should recall that all this was in response to serious riots in Newark, Detroit, and elsewhere, and that increasing calls for a revolution were coming from the left...one of many signs of that developing class war in the 1970s...

COINTELPRO and several CIA and FBI covert and clandestine operations were driven by the Powers That Were and their misplaced (or was it a solution to a non-existent problem?) paranoias.

It doesn't take much to place the deaths of these rockers in the hands of the intel Agencies, and let's not forget Army Intel while we are fingering blame, as part and parcel of cleaning out the revolution.

I can understand how those born in the 60s and 70s and 80s and 90s would have trouble with such delusions but I swear they were as real as real can be. The Political Right which represented the wealthy class was actually scared of long hairs, free lovers, sexual freedom, and bare breasts. Not to mention '___', weed and hash.

Do I know for a fact that these rockers were killed-assassinated? Yes. At least one, that is. The rest? Where there is smoke...

"The FBI was tough but very fair and they designed COINTELPRO just for me."

Frank, you are one colorful cat, I'll give you that.

From what I understand you to be saying, you're making the claim that none of the criminal charges against you were what they seemed?

Rather, you were in actuality a world-class COINTELPRO--maybe the first?--agent of the U.S. GOVT throughout the years.

That's your basic assertion correct?

And, to be fair, looking back on all that I had read so far, I decided it was in the realm of possibility.

But maybe not the probability in this case.

It all comes down--for me--to your conviction on fire-bombing and conspiracy. You say:

"5.5 years of which I spent a total of 120 days incarcerated, made for a great cover, yes? Now of the 120 days, 90 or so was complete solitary confinement after I got into a brawl with a cadre of bikers after they viewed a 60 Minutes re-run which they felt made me look like a police undercover agent. they moved me to over 20 prisons including a few that don't exist."

The main thing I see in your favor is that no one got physically hurt in the fire-bombings and I'm aware of similar tactics being used to establish credibility for a "cover" by intelligence agencies. But that's about is so far.

Other than that and some ties as an informant for the FBI--which is a long way from Operative--the evidence seems to point to you being the prototypical ex-soldier-turned-rogue type that advertised in Soldier of Fortune Magazine in the 80's.

Time will tell. If everything you assert is true you are a larger than life master operative.

So the question is: Were you a somewhat unsavory but fairly charismatic mercenary or a true-blue deep-undercover American COINTELPRO hero?

I'm keeping an open mind, but I'm going to have some tough questions. The first set being in regards to your arrest and conviction on, according to court documents, "…multiple violations of federal explosives and firearms laws arising out of two automobile firebombings and the attempted firebombing of a house."

You mention Lee Ann Faulk--an ex-girlfriend of yours apparently-- her name googles up some official court documents in regards to something about you firebombing some teachers cars & stuff. Teachers, Frank!

You also hint that Lee Ann Faulk is/was some kind of mk-ultra sex bomb or something, but we'll save that for later.

Some excerpts from the court documents:

"The evidence, viewed in the light most favorable to the government, established the following facts.

In 1985, Franklin Joseph Camper was the owner and operator of the "Mercenary Association," a mercenary training school located near Birmingham, Alabama.

William Dean Hedgcorth, James LaRosa Cuneo, and Paul Johnson were students and teaching assistants at the Mercenary Association.

Elizabeth Hamilton and Charlotte Wycoff owned and operated the California Learning Centers, a chain of private schools located in San Bernardino and Orange Counties in California.

In late July 1985, Hamilton and Wycoff contacted Camper in connection with a series of employment problems at the Learning Centers. Hamilton and Wycoff requested help in dealing with three teachers, two of whom had brought state unfair labor practice charges against the Learning Centers after they were fired.

Camper recruited Hedgcorth, Cuneo, Johnson, and his girlfriend, Lee Ann Faulk, to do some "unconventional security work." His plan was to locate the disgruntled teachers and "______ them up."
ftp.resource.org...

Cont next post...

So, apparently you and the boys--and a girl--buy a couple of military manuals containing instructions for incendiary devices, set up a workshop in a motel room, and make some homemade napalm.

And then:

After a series of practice runs, the mercenaries went to work on the early morning of August 13, 1985. At approximately 3:00 a.m., the defendants drove to the home of one of the disgruntled teachers. The defendants placed two of the firebombs under the teacher's car, poked holes in the plastic container, and lit the napalm-like mixture with a rolled-up newspaper.

The defendants then fled. The firebombs produced the desired napalm effect and the car was nearly totally destroyed. The defendants followed the same essential procedure at the home of the second disgruntled teacher. Again, the teacher's car was almost totally destroyed. The heat from the firebombs was so intense that it melted the paint on the teacher's house.

The defendants abandoned plans to firebomb the house of the third disgruntled teacher when they noticed a police car nearby.


There were no witnesses to either firebombing. Cuneo and Johnson testified for the government as part of a plea agreement. They stated that Camper orchestrated the arson spree, and that Camper and Hedgcorth were both involved in setting off the firebombs. Camper and Hedgcorth denied any involvement in the preparation or use of the firebombs. They argued that they had carried out a legitimate investigation, and that the firebombings were a "frolic and detour" committed by Johnson and Cuneo alone."
ftp.resource.org...

You guys were squealing on each other left and right. Your partners-in-crime so-to-speak were student/instructors/aids at your Mercenary Association were they not? Under your command as it were?

I'll leave for now with some excerpts from a 1985 issue of People Magazine of all places! You do get around. I'm sure Mama Camper was proud.

"Just who is Frank Camper? A trainer of terrorists? A federal informer? Or, as some suggest, a posturing adventurer with a craving for publicity? With Camper fact and fiction tend to blur.

Some facts are verifiable: Camper is a Vietnam veteran (Spec/4), a licensed gun dealer, the author of two pulp adventure novels and the operator of the school. Beyond that, his background becomes vague. He claims that during the early '70s he infiltrated leftist groups for the FBI, but the Bureau will neither confirm nor deny that.

He also claims that he trained Arab troops in Saudi Arabia in 1979 and 1980 but, according to the records of Saudi Arabian Airlines, he was working for them as a mechanic. He says he has trained Panamanian antiterrorist troops both in Panama and in Alabama. He claims to have carried out cloak-and-dagger missions in Guatemala and El Salvador in recent years, but those tales are impossible to verify.

Frank Camper tells a lot of exciting adventure stories—all of them starring Frank Camper—but not everyone believes them. Tom Posey, head of the Alabama-based Civilian Military Assistance, which sends supplies and American military trainers to the contra guerrillas in Nicaragua, is highly skeptical: "You shouldn't believe 99 percent of what Camper tells you."
www.people.com...

Can you show any evidence that would lend support to your story that your federal time was staged and when, where, and why you were released?

And more on Lee Ann Faulk please. Peace.