Can we prove the Fractional Reserve System is a Ponzi Scheme?

Hi All,

I enjoy talking to people about the fractional reserve banking system and it's use as a control mechanism, i would like to produce evidence to prove this point (if it exists).

I was thinking something along the lines of a document listing debt levels of each country, then finding evidence to prove there is not enough money in the system as capital to pay this debt back. Has anyone tried this before? Do you have any other suggestions considering i'm certainly no economist? Is it even provable?

I would like to take this information to a number of radio stations (covering a few million people) with whom i'd be able to get a good discussion going.

Thanks and kind regards

reply to post by raiden12


Isnt nothing but gold and silver to be the standard for currency according to the fourth amendment? Hold on ill be right back.
Here it is:"No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility."

it's only a ponzi scheme when a fast-talking bull**** artist takes your money. it called the fractional reserve system when the government and the banks have your cash.

which was never yours to begin with.

Originally posted by AllUrChips
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Isnt nothing but gold and silver to be the standard for currency according to the fourth amendment? Hold on ill be right back.

Thanks, that would be a great start!

I was thinking that, if were ever going to get out of this mess we'll need to make people aware with strong evidence that the system is corrupt and unsustainable and it should be given the flick. But i would like to do this in such a way so that the evidence is irrefutable.

Originally posted by randomname
it's only a ponzi scheme when a fast-talking bull**** artist takes your money. it called the fractional reserve system when the government and the banks have your cash.

which was never yours to begin with.

I understand there is a lot of emotion flying around with this particular topic, which is why i need to keep it evidence based. Sometimes i want to run up to people and shake some sense into them but i do not want the thread to turn into a shouting contest.

Thank you for showing your passion about this subject though, i will try my best to wake up the masses

The writing is already on the wall. How much proof do you need?? The only difference between this ponzi scheme is that of has legislation to back it up. Add to the fact that we have had it fortheir almost 80 years.

Even if the entire pubic woke up to this it wouldn't matter. This runs far too deep to realistically change it in a reasonable time span. This those things where you would literally have to wipe the slate clean and start from scratch. That would also mean society as well. We rely to heavily on it.

Originally posted by metaldemon2000
The writing is already on the wall. How much proof do you need?? The only difference between this ponzi scheme is that of has legislation to back it up. Add to the fact that we have had it fortheir almost 80 years.

Even if the entire pubic woke up to this it wouldn't matter. This runs far too deep to realistically change it in a reasonable time span. This those things where you would literally have to wipe the slate clean and start from scratch. That would also mean society as well. We rely to heavily on it.

You make a good point, but if were going to wipe the slate clean and start from scratch i can't think of anything better than to show people the current system needs to be overhauled, there are many smaller areas we could focus on but educating the masses on the heart of the beast could produce real change.

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Debt comes from over spending high defecits...its pretty simple actually if your not a retard like the guys in control of this country (USA). Don't spend more than you make and you make money let the money pile up and pay off the debt but people obviously do not care about the debt anymore, it will destory us one day when the world gets tired of giving us loans.

Originally posted by Evanzsayz
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Debt comes from over spending high defecits...its pretty simple actually if your not a retard like the guys in control of this country (USA). Don't spend more than you make and you make money let the money pile up and pay off the debt but people obviously do not care about the debt anymore, it will destory us one day when the world gets tired of giving us loans.

Thank you, i do understand this and am looking for evidence to show this is what's happening, without hard evidence it's just a conspiracy theory though if you know what i mean.

Originally posted by AllUrChips
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Isnt nothing but gold and silver to be the standard for currency according to the fourth amendment? Hold on ill be right back.
Here it is:"No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility."

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Thank you this gives me somewhere to start, i guess i'll have to attack with the "it's unconstitutional" method first then continue, people usually take to things well if you can prove it's illegal to begin with!

Here's a short explanation of why private central bankers issuing the public currency as interest-bearing loans was doomed to failure from the start.
The Eleventh Marble

Any five-year old child knows that if you put ten marbles into a tin can, you can only take ten marbles back out. No amount of wishful thinking, dreaming, or praying, will yield that eleventh marble from inside that can. That eleventh marble does not exist. It never did, and it never will. All discussions about the eleventh marble are the product of imagination. The eleventh marble is a fantasy.

Private central bankers issuing the public currency as interest-bearing loans operate on the belief that they can put ten marbles (dollars) into a tin can (the world) and magically get 11 marbles back out. Thus, we may conclude that the bankers are dumber than five-year old children! But unlike five-year old children, the bankers will take your home, your business, and your nation when they don't get that eleventh marble! The spoiled child may cry and throw a tantrum, but that will be the end of their upset. The spoiled banker, however, in his or her arrogant rage that they cannot have the eleventh marble their imagination says must still be in that tin can, may start a war before they will admit that eleventh marble was never really there.

Economies are like tin cans. Before you can take a marble out, you must have put a marble in. Nobody can give you a marble that does not exist, yet this simple reality is lost to the priests of that fantastic religion called banking in that unholiest of temples called the IMF. Their religious doctrine seems to be that there must always be an eleventh marble inside the tin can, and that the tin can unfairly withholds that eleventh marble, indeed cheats them of their right to the eleventh marble, purely out of spite. That faith in the existence of the eleventh marble, unseen and improvable, is the article of faith the religion of banking rests on. It is far easier to burn the heretics than to question the dogma.

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The majority are far too ignorant. Many don't even care. As long as the hydro is still running, the clubs are still open, new TVs and cell phones are being sold and gas is still sold at the pumps then the average Joe will not give a crap about how corrupt the system is. Most of the people aware think they are powerless to stop it.

Unless the majority were able to band together then nothing can or will be done about it. Anyone who isn't having financial trouble will be hard pressed to want to do anything about this. The poor will not in fear that their checks will stop rolling in.

Honestly I've lost hope that humanity can change it's ways. Only the threat of an apocalyptic at this point will be enough to wake people the f up.

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I love that marbles in a can analogy!

It is faith that we have in the 11th marble that keeps the system going!

Money should have "In the Eleventh Marble we trust" printed on it.

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Good analogy.
The "Keynesian Economics" system we use relies on new "marbles" constantly being created by a few private interests, those being the extremely wealthy that operate behind the scenes. They are the "puppet masters." These marbles are used to pay engineers to design the latest weaponry. These marbles are used to pay manufacturing plants to manufacture these weapons. The marbles are spread around to the media and the politicians to lie to the people about what they are doing.
The eleventh marble is the debt that is creatively pushed into the future until the eleventh marble is much bigger than all of the other marbles combined. Eventually that eleventh marble crushes entire countries, but never the puppet masters.
Identify the puppet masters and learn how they work.

WHOOPS!

Sorry thread, I inadvertently linked the wrong website in my "Eleventh Marble" post. Credit for the article goes to Mike Rivera of "What Really Happened" website and internet radio program. He's on JustinTV and Rense @ 7pm EST;

The correct link is:
The Eleventh Marble :: What Really Happened

Here's more from the short article:

Today we see the bankers, having already retrieved their ten marbles from the tin can, flogging the world for that missing eleventh marble. Greece does not have that eleventh marble, so they turn to Germany and ask, "Do you have an eleventh marble", and Germany replies, "Sorry, but the bankers already took the ten marbles they put in our tin can, and we are searching for an eleventh marble ourselves. Try the Americans." The Americans, of course, have only just surrendered the last of their ten marbles back to the bankers and are looking under seat cushions for that missing eleventh marble nobody seems able to find.

The link that I mistakenly linked in my previous post is an excellent introduction to the world's power structure (NWO) written in the 1960's and is a must read for all truth seekers. Peace.

Originally posted by raiden12
Hi All,

I enjoy talking to people about the fractional reserve banking system and it's use as a control mechanism, i would like to produce evidence to prove this point (if it exists).

I was thinking something along the lines of a document listing debt levels of each country, then finding evidence to prove there is not enough money in the system as capital to pay this debt back. Has anyone tried this before? Do you have any other suggestions considering i'm certainly no economist? Is it even provable?

I would like to take this information to a number of radio stations (covering a few million people) with whom i'd be able to get a good discussion going.

Thanks and kind regards

edit on 22-11-2011 by raiden12 because: (no reason given)

The real way to prove it would be for a one third of the population of each developed country to go to the bank at a predetermined time and start withdrawing all of their money from their accounts.

The proof of the PONZ will be self-evident when about three quarters of those withdrawals are made.

This answers your question:
www.fullreservebanking.com...
Interest can be repaid.