'New release' of climate emails

'New release' of climate emails

www.bbc.co.uk

What appears to be a new batch of emails and other documents from the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit has been released.

Contents include more than 5,000 emails and other documents, some relating to work with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

(visit the link for the full news article)

Back in 2009 the entire contents of a mail server from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia were leaked ..... well it looks like it has happened again. Call it ClimateGate II. The principles involved in the first leak were quick to hold a number of kangaroo court style inquiries, where their colleagues, friends and other interested parties found novel excuses for all the bad behavior the emails revealed: squelching opposing research, punishing journals that publish climate skeptics, destroying information targeted in FOIA requests, and data manipulation.

Assuming these documents are genuine, they can be found here along with some juicy excerpts, they reveal a much more damaging perspective on the inner workings of the IPCC and the principles involved.

So what happens .. does the press sweep this under the rug .. are more rubber stamped investigations going to be organizes .. will lightning strike again?

www.bbc.co.uk

reply to post by SirMike


Beat you to it:

ATS thread

But....

Your links are better and contain more information, so Mods, close my thread, not this one please.

i'm going to browse through these on my lunch and see what they say.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


awww .... you so sweet!

BTW, I found a money quote in the emails:

Wils:

[2007] What if climate change appears to be just mainly a multidecadal natural fluctuation? They'll kill us probably [...]

reply to post by SirMike


I posted this in the other thread so thought I would post it here...

Here is a bit more information for anyone that wants to read...

breaking news: two years after the Climategate, a further batch of emails has been leaked onto the internet by a person – or persons – unknown. And as before, they show the "scientists" at the heart of the Man-Made Global Warming industry in a most unflattering light. Michael Mann, Phil Jones, Ben Santer, Tom Wigley, Kevin Trenberth, Keith Briffa – all your favourite Climategate characters are here, once again caught red-handed in a series of emails exaggerating the extent of Anthropogenic Global Warming, while privately admitting to one another that the evidence is nowhere near as a strong as they'd like it to be.

In other words, what these emails confirm is that the great man-made global warming scare is not about science but about political activism. This, it seems, is what motivated the whistleblower 'FOIA 2011' (or "thief", as the usual suspects at RealClimate will no doubt prefer to tar him or her) to go public.

As FOIA 2011 puts it when introducing the selected highlights, culled from a file of 220,000 emails:

Uh oh, global warming loons: here comes Climategate II!

Here is a working link containing the information the reporter is speaking about for anyone that wants to download and read through them, some of the original ones are disappearing now...

Climategate II zip files location

reply to post by XXXN3O


Interesting, and just as damning as the last batch but......

Lets not fool ourselves into thinking the environment is fine, fill that SUV up and burn some Styrofoam while you are at it. The climate is going through a change, the evidence is clear and all around us.

But trying to pin this solely on humans, to create a tax for profit, is a scam. Trying to "hide the decline" is a scam, trying to erase the medieval warming period is a scam.

In fact, the worry now should be about a new ice age.

And how on earth can we ignore the sun? Mars is heating up too.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


Indeed, almost all the planets are warming right now.

I like this quote:

Although I agree that GHGs are important in the 19th/20th century (especially
since the 1970s), if the weighting of solar forcing was stronger in the models,
surely this would diminish the significance of GHGs.
[...] it seems to me that by weighting the solar irradiance more strongly in the
models, then much of the 19th to mid 20th century warming can be explained from
the sun alone.

who can resist these threads...pure conspiracy in them. as others have said,yes something is happening. Here in America we have done well to clean things up. I think to argue that would be a he said she said argument. I like this comment since Im a touch conservative.

The writer appears to argue that combating climate change will create poverty

This is arguable, yes I agree, but if we only approach GREEN in some countries and not in others it becomes a mess in that its head banging against a wall or forced poverty by mandated spending respectively. For instance who will enforce Green in India and China. One of us here B.Sing about it on ATS. Ha fat chance..
We have so much going on from the solar system causing so much volcanic action globally that we humble humans cant even think about cleaning CO2 release

Al Gores "Dream Green Team" is dead but where is the money he made off of all the lectures he gave. YEP follow that money trail

Really what difference do they make. In trying to debunk climate change -- the Koch brothers in part tried to buy information supporting the "these emails prove fraud movement" guess what -- the results much to Koch tears - were that the results reported by the climate scientists were -- well correct.

How does that factor into your equation

www.economist.com...

I love this thread. This is big time conspiracy of the day, but I would be very stunned if Climategate ii actually makes any impact. Very sadly.

It appears that the partakers on this thread are all way above the usual nitty gritties of this topic, so I would like to add only one thought that has been lurking in my mind for long, but hit me like a ton of bricks after watching the documentary Superpower: superpowerthemovie.com... , cast includes people like the activist Kathy Kelly who has been in prison over 60 times for her convictions and actions.

In the movie, it explains how the US invades and triggers civil wars in countries where there is OIL. It even elaborates brilliantly on the 9/11 conspiracy - very successfully.
That is why even after many many years of extreme suffering of the people of Zimbabwe (for instance), inflicted on them through the oppression of Mugabe, the UN has showed 0 interest in the atrosious disregard for human rights in that country.

Yet, Libya ect must be liberated. - sarcastic

So, does the US government know how totally rediculous they look when, while professing manmade global warming to be a massive threat to life on earth, go balistic over oil in other countries? Where is the sense in that??

Ga! Last I looked in the mirror I did not have stupid written on my forehead!

reply to post by spyder550


What the BEST team did, contrary to much of what has been reported, was to independently verify the temperature record of the past 200 years. It concluded that the planet had indeed warmed but the cause of the warming was outside the study’s scope.

There is a reason this issue has been so tumultuous and filled with theater and Madison Avenue marketing tactics.

This environmental reality is inevitable. As such it presents a hallmark opportunity for a new revenue stream.. a new currency... one you would have to be obtuse to argue with... according to its proponents.

Carbon credits marks an opportunity to establish a new financial vehicle for trade and profit, and the masters of revenue manipulation and exploitation are behind it all. The fact that it's global, and pervasively intertwined with 'industrial and chemical' civilization makes it perfect for a new gimmick in the international scam that is monetary policy and debt distribution.

The emails are part of this theater. Many will be successfully repulsed from the topic because of the confusion and partisan bickering surrounding the notion that a tax or fee to pollute will somehow change reality. As if dollars could sequester carbon - not that it matters to the marketeers... all that matters to them is the profit they siphon off by "managing and trading" in the market.

If I may, I would like to call on people to remember that the environment does not respond to economics. It's economics that responds to the environment.

It's also not about whether there is warming... because there is, there has been in the past, and there will be in the future. Our esteemed intelligentsia likes to pretend they understand it... they clearly don't. That same intelligentsia claims they care,,,, they clearly don't.

It was their commercial exploitation that exacerbated the problem, and it's their financiers and their political puppets in the media who exacerbate the confusion.

reply to post by Maxmars


Rocky II "I'm not punchy or anything like that, just slow, I got whatcha call a slow brain"....

Mars I read your reply 5 times now and I still dont know what side you are on......

And to be fair, I think there is plenty of oil in the USA for the consumption of the USA, floral light bulbs work, nothing like 500hp under the gas peddle, I like my steak Medium. Exploitation of hemp would save the oil for my 500hp gas peddle...there is more but like I said I'm slow

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by XXXN3O

 

Interesting, and just as damning as the last batch but......

Lets not fool ourselves into thinking the environment is fine, fill that SUV up and burn some Styrofoam while you are at it. The climate is going through a change, the evidence is clear and all around us.

But trying to pin this solely on humans, to create a tax for profit, is a scam. Trying to "hide the decline" is a scam, trying to erase the medieval warming period is a scam.

In fact, the worry now should be about a new ice age.

And how on earth can we ignore the sun? Mars is heating up too.

We consistently amaze ourselves with discoveries of how robust and strong things within the earth are.
Funny how the same scientists exclaim how weak the Planet Earth is and how it is our impact that is causing the current crisis.

I beleive that the world is much stronger then scientists imply.

Originally posted by SirMike
reply to post by spyder550

 

What the BEST team did, contrary to much of what has been reported, was to independently verify the temperature record of the past 200 years. It concluded that the planet had indeed warmed but the cause of the warming was outside the study’s scope.

Precisely what the deniers are using the emails to prove. The emails were purported to show evidence that the data points had been manipulated or were otherwise faulty -- apparently they don't.

We have 5 years before the point of no return -- because of deniers and general malaise nothing will change. I'm really glad I'm old. I'll be dead within 15 years.

Originally posted by EspyderMan

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by XXXN3O

 

I beleive that the world is much stronger then scientists imply.

yes the globe is mighty strong but then global flooding comes along several times over and kills nearly everything.

Then there is Plasma waves that come along and kill nearly everything several times over.

Then there is the occasional rock that falls out of the sky and kills nearly everything including big ass dinasores .

Co2 from super volcanoes collects in the low ground every once in a while and nearly kills everything.

Hummmm!!! what did I miss

Its cool dude we knew what you meant...the planet is strong but its the thread of life and balance of nature that is so fragile

edit on 11/10/2011 by rebellender because: wow how did I do that,,,it happens too every once in a while

This will be ignored, and the biased, politically-motivated and preconceived conclusions drawn from the investigation into the UAE by the UK Government will be wheeled out and pointed at, whilst we are told "look - they are correct, we didn't find evidence of tampering", all the while THE ORIGINAL TEMPERATURE SOURCE DATA IS MISSING FOREVER, and we are told "trust us".

THIS IS NOT SCIENCE, and anyone who takes someones word for something without proof is an idiot.

Anyone who thinks MMGW exists, whilst these e-mails are clearly demonstrating there is very much doubt about the current situation by the very scientists who claim they have solved the meaning of life (in relative terms), has to be a complete nutter.

In no other sphere of science, is anything so certain, with no original data, and even worse, an inability to repeat the experiment to verify results.

A recent report was released claiming to have independently verified the findings of these climate scientists, however, the research was fundamentally and fatally flawed at the most basic level: they used the manipulated data to draw their conclusions! They had NOT used the raw, unedited, unaltered data (this has been lost, as was admitted in the originally leaked e-mails, and later confirmed by those involved).

Nowhere in the world, at least for anywhere that matters, is there any record of the original temperature records. This alone is a travesty of science, forgetting the fact that this (now lost) data is the cornerstone of the most controversial yet influential topic in the world today.

Without that original source data, not one person can possibly state EITHER WAY, whether MMGW exists or not.

What we do know is this: a recent study of IR emissions in the region filtered by CO2 shows that the emissions from Earth in 2010, vs. 1970's, are the SAME. This means that despite an increase in CO2, the wavelengths of IR that are supposed to be absorbed by CO2, and thus warming the planet, HAS NOT CHANGED, meaning the heating effect from CO2 HAS NOT CHANGED, thus meaning IT IS NOT THE CAUSE!!!

This technique is called "spectroscopy", and it is something we are very good at. We use the same technique for analyzing the composition of distant (insert astronomical object here). It is also an independent way of measuring the effect of CO2 upon temperature rise, if we remember the fact that the planet is supposed to be warming because CO2 absorbs long-wave IR, thus warming up (there is no other way this works). Add more CO2, and it is supposed to absorb more long-wave IR, however, as was just proved, this is not the case (and is known - CO2 absorption of long-wave IR is logarithmic). THIS is real science.

The crap about taking a few very questionable land-based temperature records (now lost), "correcting" them based upon some theories, then extrapolating from that the fact that CO2 must be the cause simply because it keeps rising in line with temperature, DOES NOT COMPUTE. As the recent experiment looking at IR emissions from the Earth demonstrated, the facts do not fit the widely-reported myth of MMGW.

Originally posted by spyder550
Really what difference do they make. In trying to debunk climate change -- the Koch brothers in part tried to buy information supporting the "these emails prove fraud movement" guess what -- the results much to Koch tears - were that the results reported by the climate scientists were -- well correct.

How does that factor into your equation

www.economist.com...

That is simply not what happened at all - just the spin put on it by lefty jounalists who havn't got a clue about the science behind it and arn't the least interested anyways.

Why BEST Will Not Settle the Climate Debate Posted on November 17, 2011 by Anthony Watts By S. Fred Singer (first published in American Thinker)

Global warming has re-entered public consciousness in recent days, partly because of the buzz surrounding the release of warming results from the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature (BEST) project. The reaction of the “warmistas” has been jubilant, yet hilariously wrong. Will they ever learn? Continue reading →

wattsupwiththat.com...

reply to post by rebellender


I listen with great interest, your understood comments re climate gate, one and two, and the unsubstantiated, claims that surround all, but not limited to,natural events or causes, this also includes the fraudulent and fake, postulated Carbon release fairy tale, that even Batman, takes a back seat

To this I would like, if you were all agreeable,( to bad if you are not,) to put forward a position, not only, held by myself, but also by Sir Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, Plank and Tesla, regarding the laws of physics, that I believe is also being misrepresented by the scientific fraternity, along with governments

To this, according to my understanding of the laws of physics, there can only be two ways to alter the climate upon Earth

(One) To alter the primordial Magnetic s, or specific gravity there by altering the Atomic weight of HydroH2o@Atomic (6)
(Two) To somehow effect the production or the ready resupply of Hydro H2o@Atomic(6)

Other than this, there is nor cannot be,any other cause to cause a change in climate

Now for those that do not understand the principles of which I have outlined, HydroH2o@ Atomic (6), refers to all Clouds ,mists, land and sea fogs, and given it is totally at the complete mercy of the specific gravity, that governs its up and or down movements , High gravity = low barometric pressure, conversely, low magnetic s = high Barometric pressure

The higher the magnetic threshold, the more, or larger the storm or weather event,


One can also equate Earthquakes to the very same set of understandings, where by, low specific gravity, means the Earths weight itself, is effected and will expand as will the oceans, all held in place via Specific gravity, including 100% of our weather events

Anything else is pure fantasy either that, or pure fraud