Are aliens, that visit us, deemed criminals, or law breakers in their own society?

As always with all matters visitor related, we have to assume some stuff.

1. Assume some of the Ebe's visiting us are from our own lineage in the future.
2. Assume they are back here to tinker with something in their own bloodline.
3. Assume they are most definitely not allowed by their own society to do this.
4. Assume that in spacetime, in the future,
technology will exist that not alone could one go to a specific location in space,
but also at a specific time.
5. Assume they are renegades that are prepared to bend the "non-interference" rule,
to further their agenda.

Not alone are they trying to remain covert from us,
but also from their own authorities.

Like, who are we going to tell?
We don't know how or who, let alone have the means.
So their secret is "safe" even if we catch occasional glimpses of them.

Have there ever been reports of ET craft chasing another,
or showing hostility towards it?

Trying to think out of the box here to freshen things up a bit.
As always, your opinions please.

What aliens?

Where are these aliens?

I would love to meet them.

They could also be special scientist from their time origin location ect. allowed to seek further data or to find data..

Originally posted by Diplomat
What aliens?

Where are these aliens?

I would love to meet them.

Probably the ones that most on this board talk about
Also, most on this board, like you, would like to get some face time with them.

Originally posted by Donegal_TDI
As always with all matters visitor related, we have to assume some stuff.

1. Assume some of the Ebe's visiting us are from our own lineage in the future.
2. Assume they are back here to tinker with something in their own bloodline.
3. Assume they are most definitely not allowed by their own society to do this.
4. Assume that in spacetime, in the future,
technology will exist that not alone could one go to a specific location in space,
but also at a specific time.

Not alone are they trying to remain covert from us,
but also from their own authorities.

Like, who are we going to tell?
We don't know how or who, let alone have the means.
So their secret is "safe" even if we catch occasional glimpses of them.

Have there ever been reports of ET craft chasing another,
or showing hostility towards it?

Trying to think out of the box here to freshen things up a bit.
As always, your opinions please.

edit on 22/11/11 by Donegal_TDI because: add

this isn't exactly "thinking out of the box", this is a mind-game:

first you start with a title that contains a question "Are aliens, that visit us, deemed criminals, or law breakers in their own society?"
next you list the stuff we are supposed to assume to be correct. These basically turn the question into a correct statement by definition

so what is that you wanted to ask?

is it possible? well, can't say. don't know. No one actually knows (except for those 1000s of US Agents who are all in the big conspiracy, that is)
is it plausible? well, can't say, don't know. can only speculate about its likelihood. Guess not.

if said aliens had a universal law of non interference then yes they have broken that law through out history as we know it. but if certain aliens are rebels of there own kind then what would they care to interfere or influence our current timeline. put yourself in there shoes what would you do? help a developing species evolve or dominate and control a (by there standards) primitive culture. just look at the world as it currently is and you will see the answer for yourself the undeniable truth that...................................

"we are not alone, we have never been alone and now more are definitely coming"

and to the non believers the debunkers the ones that can't see outside the crystal box they live in please, please, please, explain these :

www.crystalinks.com...

no one has yet given me an explanation for the various pictures of proof of et involvement in our past....... because the best place to hide the truth is in plain sight

namaste

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The problem with this sort of question is in theory any answer you receive could be correct as WE know practically nothing about them other than their alleged appearance .
On the other hand any answer you receive could be totally wrong given the question is asked from a Human perspective , what is right or wrong , good or bad outside of our definition , they don't apply in the animal kingdom so why apply them to Alien civilizations .

5. Assume they are renegades that are prepared to bend the "non-interference" rule, to further their agenda.

Not alone are they trying to remain covert from us, but also from their own authorities.

Now your just going into Sci-Fi , "non-interference" rule , goes that exist outside of Hollywood ?

Originally posted by gortex

Now your just going into Sci-Fi , "non-interference" rule , goes that exist outside of Hollywood ?

They sure did a poor job of abiding by it in Star Trek.

To the original poster, also what if aliens are on some sort of drugs along with being a criminal.

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GREAT question: "Are aliens, that visit us, deemed criminals, or law breakers in their own society?"

Unfortunately, you close down discussion before it even starts by miniaturizing the box. tsk

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I don't think time travel is a valid assuption. Traveling at super luminal velocities does not equate to time travel.

Not all ET societies have such "non-interferrence" protocols implemented. So, for the encounters you have had, they may be quite legal.Kind of like me doing something that is illegal in China, but not in the U.S., and, since I live in the U.S. the Chinese government has no recourse, and I'm guilty of nothing.

So, I gotta say; "No." But, it seems to me that the ETs that have such a protocol, and, stand by and watch the harm caused by those who don't, are guilty of a far greater crime.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
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It seems to me that the ETs that have such a protocol, and, stand by and watch the harm caused by those who don't, are guilty of a far greater crime.

This to me is the conundrum.
But then I have asked this question many times in a religious light,
why an alleged all powerful Deity does not interceed in terrible injustices.
And no amount of fracking soap box preaching at us as to their reasons,
will take the pain away from those who suffer.

So any flower power daisy waving et's out there,
who observe helpless humans being abducted and treated like a piece of meat,
also share responsibility
if they have the power to intervene.
Maybe they don't.

How does a discussion even exist on these terms?

The "question" posed by the OP is basically given a guaranteed, explicit answer by the rules set forth by the assumptions that are demanded of people who want to participate. So, there's no discussion possible. The assumptions require an affirmative answer to the question.

Secondly, how can you even begin to pretend any discussion about a topic like this is even remotely constructive? Even without the restrictive assumptions declared by the OP, the question itself assumes too many things to be reasonable:

Are Aliens,

Which aliens?

that visit us,

Oh. Those aliens. But wait - before we can start discussing specifics about "aliens that visit us," their motives or their ethics, shouldn't we first establish by some kind of scientific standard that they exist in the first place? If that hasn't been established, then this is nothing but a fruitless imagination exercise -- since no part of the discussion has been grounded in accepted reality, absolutely any conjecture is fair game. It's fiction, in other words. It isn't a discussion about a specific topic, it's collaborative fiction.

deemed criminals, or lawbreakers

Again, who says the concept of "criminals" even exists for these "aliens?" Maybe they accept everything as it happens. Maybe they operate on an advanced legal system that is able to account for events as they happen, rather than try to anticipate and control. Maybe they all have ham sandwiches where their feet should be. We just don't know, because none of this is related to anything even vaguely masquerading as established fact.

in their own society?

What is an alien society? How is it structured? What is its history? What are its values? What are its priorities? It is pointless to try and project your thoughts about a "society" that is so fictional you haven't even defined these basic, fundamental elements of it.

In order to even attempt to answer the preposterous question in the OP, you must arrive at a definition of what the hell you're talking about to begin with.

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This is a very interesting and thoughtful concept. Are E.T.'s and the varoius races of.....or if they are our Future selves......performing a Criminal act by their own societies rules? I honestly don't know.

I DO KNOW they exist and are here....and have been so for a VERY long time....but are they supposedly...not allowed to be? Well....considering the known E.T. races SUPER ADVANCED TECH. ABILITIES.....I would think that their superiors would know about their presence here.

Also...considering what we know of their experiments.....they seem to be in line with a specific scientific agenda of discovery.....and unlike Human Criminal Psychology....because of their ability of tech. and because of those abilities....they have no need of resourses that a Human Criminal element would desire.....only the possibility of aquiring data and knowledge in a possible unsanctioned way.

Nice post and concept! Split Infinity

You can only talk hypothetical on hypothetical creatures as yet proven to exist.

Might as well be discussing how deep in the ocean SPONGE BOB-SQUARE PANTS live.

Its pointless until proven.

Well, some of you have "got" what I was getting at.
There really is so much we don't know, most of it in fact,
complicated with the truck load of disinformation out there.

Some say there is a race of aliens that colonise planets with organisms as soon as they are suitable to host life,
and let evolution take it's course there. Their motives for doing this are unknown, but if true, and they still visit us from time to time, take samples, make corrections, it appears they are not hostile and we have little to fear from them and should be considered benevolent, or at very least neutral.

(Nothing to fear as long as we are not dinosaurs, as I think they were deliberately wiped from the planet,
possible comet, asteroid nudged in our direction to reset the biological clock, reptillian mammal conflict perhaps? I know of horse breeders of a very expensive nature monitor their mares during pregnancy and if all is perceived to be not delivering the required result at 2 months, they abort. This is what happened I think to the dinos, they were here for a long time, did not produce advanced sentience, and were aborted. Worlds like the earth could be rare, thus a precious resource.)

But abduction accounts differ and may hint at a malignant element of Ebe's with a parasitic nature in that they appear to require us, to take something from us, and carry out their procedures in a cold unemotional manner.
These I would fear, in a close encounter situation, as we appear to be little more to them than a walking meat pie.
Is enough known to distinguish these species apart, and by this I mean the craft they travel in?
Who for example, or what version of grey, is believed to travel in Lazar's "sport model"?

I Come in Peace!

The suggestion points to us being the ETs, but not all of them are like us. Some of them are lizard like. but anyway. If their is a noninterference law, the simple fact that they have come here violates it and their ancient involvement with Earth seriously violates it. The fact that any ET has interacted with a human, even to describe their noninterference law is a violation of it. I actually don't believe this law even exists. It's just that ETs don't give a s*** about humanity and they are acting in ways that prove this. The main reason is that they claim to love humanity, Earth and peace and have used noninterference as an excuse to sit on their hands and do nothing while Earth becomes a radioactive dump.

The stuff ETs do were tried in an Earth Court of Law, they would be guilty of Kidnapping "alien abductions", Rape "raping of abductees for their hybrid breeding programs, Murder "10s thousands of people vanish every year without a trace, Cannibalism "Draconians eating human flesh", Treason "Working against the greater good of and controlling the Federal Governments of numerous nations and interfering with our technology", Conspiracy "plans to enslave or kill humanity, and conquer the Earth". These guys are sounding like a band of pirates on steroids to me. If their was a law for the raping of one's private thoughts they would be guilty of that too. "Forced or voluntary telepathy. Usually involving ones personal and secret feelings and thoughts."

Op, its an interesting topic to consider, anything is possible in this universe, however, i dont understand why you laid that particular criteria at the beginning, why are you making the assumption that et's are us from the future and not a extra terrestrial race. Not being picky cos its an interesting though, but i dont understand why you put those walls up. cant we include "renegade" ets from other planets, and not from the future.

Originally posted by thedoctorswife
Op, its an interesting topic to consider, anything is possible in this universe, however, i dont understand why you laid that particular criteria at the beginning, why are you making the assumption that et's are us from the future and not a extra terrestrial race. Not being picky cos its an interesting though, but i dont understand why you put those walls up. cant we include "renegade" ets from other planets, and not from the future.

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NICE CATCH DW! I am afraid I lost that obviousness. Backward Time Travel would have certain built in....ANTIPARADOXAL Physics....such as if you do travel back in time....it is do an alternate divergent past reality....and not the branch on the tree where your current...LAUNCH POINT....for BACKWARD TIME TRAVEL....BTT.

This must be so as prevent PARADOX such as DESTROYING AN ENTIRE UNIVERSAL REALITY.....because some lug nut left his or her cell phone in 1863. LOL! Split Infinity