The Mysterious Disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa

Awesome topic and very nicely put together. I am a huge fan of everything MOB. I've got some nice artwork of the Original Gangster, Al Capone, nicely in my mancave. No one knows for sure what happened but what you presented is the most logical explanation behind it all. As someone else posted, the "Ice Man" could have been behind this killing. I had never heard this before, which is odd, but I believe it. The Ice Man was one bad mother #er & he was the guy the MOB went to for a lot of their hits.

Well this states that the Ice Man killing was a hoax:

Jimmy Hoffa disappeared outside a Bloomfield Township restaurant in July 1975.
A now-deceased mob executioner claims in a forthcoming biography that he killed former Teamsters boss Jimmy Hoffa.

But a former FBI agent who helped investigate Hoffa's disappearance outside a Bloomfield Township restaurant in July 1975 declared the book a hoax on Monday.

"That's the most embarrassing one to date," former FBI agent Robert Garrity said about the claims Richard (the Iceman) Kuklinski reportedly made before he died to author Philip Carlo.

Kuklinski, 70, died in a Trenton, N.J., hospital last month while serving two life sentences for murder.

"I've never heard of him, and I've never heard of the writer," added Garrity, a security consultant in Pittsburgh.

In the book -- "The Iceman: Confessions of a Mafia Contract Killer" -- Carlo says Kuklinski told him he was paid $40,000 to kill Hoffa. Kuklinski says he drove from New Jersey to suburban Detroit with four other men, knocked Hoffa unconscious with a blackjack and stabbed him in the head with a knife.

The book said the accomplices returned to New Jersey by bus, while Kuklinski drove Hoffa's body to a Kearny, N.J., junkyard and buried it in a 50-gallon drum. Later, he dug up the body and put it into the trunk of a car that was turned into scrap metal, the book said.

"He's part of a car somewhere in Japan right now," Kuklinski said in the book

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I'm typing on my phone and I just lost a huge post on the subject, so I'll keep it short this time. Barbara, Mr Hoffa's daughter is the person to ask on this subject. Word has it James was in the witness protection program and died in the late 80's. He's buried in a private cemetery outside of Detroit. My father met Barbara when she was ordering a monument for her fathers grave. He didn't believe her story, so I went to the library to try and find a picture of her. I brought back a book and showed him a picture of her taken when she was in her mid 20's. He was amazed. His word were holy %>#*, that's her. She never came back to finalize the monument order.

Meh, he was affiliated with organized crime, helped to monopolize the greatest thing in this country the American worker and thought he was above tptb.

Total fail.

If some nut job mob killer stabbed him in the head with an ice pick, put his body is a car that was crushed and melted I think it would come as no surprise to many people including Hoffa himself.

I know that many people are thankfull like truckers ect but I think a large part of what he did was financially motivated and self serving which net net put this country back and I think today's economics and trade deficit are proof of such actions.

reply to post by Rising Against


can't wait to read this when i get home

I met a guy once many years ago who said he knew somebody who was part of the "team" of organized crime people who kidnapped Jimmy Hoffa. He was told that Hoffa was "chummed" off the coast of Florida. That is, taken out in a sport fishing boat and ground up in a big grinder that dumped the shredded blood and guts into the water, never to be found again.

It was a reliable third-hand account with no evidence to back it up. So it must be true!

Hoffa was not mafia. He did use the mob for protection when he organized the Teamsters. Companies hired thugs to beat and kill his truckers. The police would not help, so Hoffa turned to the only people who could protect his men. Which they did.
Hoffa never was implicated or accused of killing anyone throughout his life. A couple of mafioso claimed Hoffa ordered the hit on JFK, which is highly unlikely.
He made a loan to the mob but he required the mob to pay a better rate of interest than he could get elsewhere. Hoffa always put his Teamsters first.
Hoffa was considered one of the most intelligent men in the labor movement.

reply to post by Matt1951


The Chicago Outfit got him elected for the sole purpose of plundering the pension fund. www.amazon.com... 2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322030559&sr=8-1

I just finished this book, which is a detailed history of the post-Capone years. The Outfit got the votes to get Hoffa elected and he took care of them in exchange for this.

my grandpa says he was at the restaurant the day Hoffa disappeared
and that he saw him sitting at a table then a couple guys walk in and he just leaves with them, leaving his coat on his chair at the table.

reply to post by HawkeyeNation


did'nt HBO do a one hour show on him, he mention some of his hits, but i don't remember anything on hoffa.

reply to post by steppenwolf86


Hoffa was very popular with the rank and file membership. Hoffa actually restricted Mob influence on the Teamsters, which is why many feel Fitzsimmons, his successor, ordered Hoffas murder.
Hoffa was perhaps the most investigated individual in history. All RFK could find was a loan to mobsters to build a hotel. Which was being repaid on time and with interest, which Hoffa insisted on. It should also be pointed out that the hotel was legally being built at the time, and was a legitimate enterprise, although owned by Mafia.
The actual charges Hoffa was convicted of were attempting to bribe a juror, and fraud (load of Teamsters pension funds to build the Las Vegas hotel). There never was ANY evidence found that Hoffa ever instigated violence, much less ordered a murder.

Did Hoffa associate with gangsters? yes.
Was Hoffa actually a very good man? I am inclined that way.

By the way, your link did not work, but I will search on Amazon to find the book.

There is good evidence Hoffa was railroaded into prison:
blog.cleveland.com...
"The government's only witness against Hoffa in the jury tampering trial was a Louisiana Teamster named Edward Grady Partin.
Tabac points out that while Partin testified at trial that Hoffa made incriminating statements to him, Partin made no such claim before the grand jury that indicted Hoffa.
Sheridan, Kennedy's point man for the Hoffa trial, disclosed years later in a book that Partin actually took the Fifth Amendment before the grand jury, so he never gave any testimony at all.
That's a critical admission, Tabac believes, because it raises the question of what evidence was presented to the grand jury.
Tabac speculates the indictment against Hoffa may have been based entirely on Sheridan's testimony. If so, that would violate one of the main purposes of a grand jury, which is to ensure charges are based on credible testimony, not the whim of a prosecutor.
Tabac argued Sheridan was so close to Kennedy that it was essentially Kennedy testifying against his nemesis Hoffa."

Hoffa massively invested the Teamsters pension fund in Nevada real estate. Probably a better investment than many pension funds.

reply to post by Matt1951


Everything that I have read indicated that BECAUSE of Hoffa, the Chicago Outfit was able to basically use the pension fund as their personal bank. Whether or not he was a good guy? I don't know, but I do know he was put into power by the Outfit, to serve the Outfit.

reply to post by steppenwolf86


No one defaulted on Hoffa's loans from the pension fund. He always collected interest to the fund, and there was collateral for any loan. The government never charged that any money had been lost. The charge was that one of the hotels ffinanced by the Teamsters was owned by the mob. No big surprise.

Originally posted by supertrot
My aunt married Hoffa's nephew about 30 years ago; he or his father (Hoffa's brother) did not believe that he was dead. They refused to speak about it much because of all of the heat on the family after the disappearance.

It is very possible but not likely. He had the means to disappear and the people around him had the means to influence him to disappear and if that is the case then he is now dead from natural causes.

The disappearance scenario could have gone like this:

"Jimmy, you're bringing too much heat on us...best thing is to take this money and get lost. Here is a new identity and a plane ticket. Dont come back...ever"

reply to post by Rising Against


Awesome thread once again RA

reply to post by Malcher

The disappearance scenario could have gone like this:

"Jimmy, you're bringing too much heat on us...best thing is to take this money and get lost. Here is a new identity and a plane ticket. Dont come back...ever"

I think It's certainly possible that he is still alive.. albeit massively unlikely. After all, he did have a family of his own here, I doubt he would simply give it all up for a few years longer of life. Also I doubt that someone would offer him something like this in the first place.. if they really wanted Hoffa to disappear, then they, whoever they may be, would certainly *make* him disappear as opposed to asking him.

Giving him the option puts you at risk of him changing his mind further down the line and coming back, but silencing him personally ensures you're in control of your own fate.

There's some interesting info (from contemporaries of Hoffa) in this episode of In search of (1980)



One theory proposed is Hoffa was going to spill the beans about Cuba and organized crime... I'm suddenly reminded of Marilyn Monroe (who I don't doubt was murdered on the night of August 4, 1962).

Also mentioned is the book he completed pointing to the end of his friendship with Tony Provenzano.


Here's another called Crime Inc. - The Mob at Work
There's of course mentions of Hoffa but this is more about the mobster control of unions. Very interesting.

The Jimmy Hoffa case is the perfect case i think for so called psychics and remote viewers to prove what they do actually works. Lets see them find his body and what really happened to him.

a reply to: darrman

I herd there was construction on a i-94 overpass near Detroit at the time, and he was put into one of the concrete pillers of the overpass. who knows. Sounds like he should of got that loan for provenzano.