OWS - Too Big To Fail

Originally posted by PatriciusCaesar
I see the Occupy Movement as resulting in one of two things:
1) American Civil War
2) Denial of Constitutional Rights to American Citizens

The Occupy movement is a good idea with a wrong execution. You want to change the system, good for you, so do I, but do it from the inside after you have proven your worth. You want to destroy the system, continue protesting, the cops will keep doing their jobs and enforcing security and the rights of ALL.

While you fight to bring down the 1%, I will keep supporting them because they provide me everything I want; a structured society. In return, I provide them with what they want; money.

Edit: Sure the economy is bad, sure I would love to live in the hey-days where credit flowed like water. But you know what, there are jobs out there. Work can be found. Money can be made. I may be a young-adult, but I am smart enough to see the oppurtunity so many claim is not there. I don't believe the Occupy movement want's to end greed, they just want a larger piece of the pie. What your entitled to is life, anything you do or don't do after that is up to you, but don't blame others for what you cannot accomplish.

//I do not claim to speak facts, only opinions.

edit on 20-11-2011 by PatriciusCaesar because: (no reason given)

if you want a world where credit flows then how can you support a system that can strangle the flow of money then profit of people losing their holmes?

first through inflatioin then through deflation the bankers will bunkrupt a country then buy it for pennies on the dollar

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reply to post by PatriciusCaesar

While you fight to bring down the 1%, I will keep supporting them because they provide me everything I want; a structured society. In return, I provide them with what they want; money.

there is a theory called a social contract,
it says that the elite have the right to rule up to the point where they become self serving,

when the money supply is doubled by an unelected group of private bankers it halves the value of your money and savings

without telling you or asking you they took halve of everything you own,
and for some who lost their house they lost every thing.

they did this not the 99%
this was planned and carried out by the people who you would support.

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I would like to believe that something will be achieved as a result of the OWS movement. But in my opinion untill the majority of the population agree to a list of changes they would like to see, and
agree if they are not met they will go on a general strike which would bring the government to its knees. But thats just me hopinh everything can be rsolved Peacefully.

OWS - Too Big To Fail

Don't you mean SOROs pockets are too deep to allow his OWS to fail ??
I disagree.

If the 'protesters' continue to be themselves .... to demand something for nothing ... to demand a free ride ... to pee all over the public parks ... to continue to poop on cars in Manhattan ... to continue to use their children as human shields in DC .... the continue to block people from getting to their jobs ... to continue to steal from small business' near their protests ... (etc etc) ... if they continue to act the way they are then they are definately going to fail because the average American doesn't want morons to go running around claiming to represent them (that ol' ... we are the 99% bunk).

Either Soros' money will make sure it is a success ... or the protesters themselves will ruin it.
(they already are)

Flame away.

The Romans thought that.

But OWS is too stupid to suceed.

Originally posted by Bixxi3
I would like to believe that something will be achieved as a result of the OWS movement. But in my opinion untill the majority of the population agree to a list of changes they would like to see, and
agree if they are not met they will go on a general strike which would bring the government to its knees. But thats just me hopinh everything can be rsolved Peacefully.

edit on 21-11-2011 by Bixxi3 because: (no reason given)

sometimes a picture speaks a thousand words



people are now aware and angry

justice does not care for wealth,
but the justice system does

is this really democracy?

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Originally posted by FlyersFan

OWS - Too Big To Fail

Don't you mean SOROs pockets are too deep to allow his OWS to fail ??
I disagree.

If the 'protesters' continue to be themselves .... to demand something for nothing ... to demand a free ride ... to pee all over the public parks ... to continue to poop on cars in Manhattan ... to continue to use their children as human shields in DC .... the continue to block people from getting to their jobs ... to continue to steal from small business' near their protests ... (etc etc) ... if they continue to act the way they are then they are definately going to fail because the average American doesn't want morons to go running around claiming to represent them (that ol' ... we are the 99% bunk).

Either Soros' money will make sure it is a success ... or the protesters themselves will ruin it.
(they already are)

Flame away.

its always the boogie man,
i have been seeing a trend here that i would like to explain,
if you cant co-opt a movement claim it as your own

this is standard operating procedures for dis information and a white paper released by cryptime on wikileaks shows this tactic is employed to discredit a movement

what part of leaderless do you not understand?
how can you control of people who are ALL the leaders?

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Originally posted by daggyz
The Romans thought that.

But OWS is too stupid to suceed.

lol
well done but you missed one point
the criminals are still free, so how stupid are we for arresting the wrong people?


second time for effect

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Originally posted by XPLodER
.what part of leaderless do you not understand?

What part of 'Soros is funding' ', The Communists of America'are funding' don't you understand??
It was all documented and out in the public.
The people out in OWS think they are all free thinkers who are doing something on their own.
But it's all being orchestrated by SOROS and others. They are pawns. Or zombies if you like.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by XPLodER
.what part of leaderless do you not understand?

What part of 'Soros is funding' ', The Communists of America'are funding' don't you understand??
It was all documented and out in the public.
The people out in OWS think they are all free thinkers who are doing something on their own.
But it's all being orchestrated by SOROS and others. They are pawns. Or zombies if you like.

edit on 11/21/2011 by FlyersFan because: (no reason given)

pot calling the kettle black?
you resort to names yet i answer you with real answers,

go to cyptime read the white paper on discrediting wikileaks,

you are guilty of the dis information described in the pentagon assesemnt

you sir are no longer worthy of my time, i am not a zombie

i refuse to lower myself to your level

piece and light on you my lost brother

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reply to post by seabag


I'm not against individuals earning huge amounts of cash and enjoying the benefits from their labor. You have to remember that when I was in the Corp, Communism was still our greatest adversary; Islamic extremism was a purely Israeli problem. I have no love for Communism at all.

What I'm upset about are large corporations like G.E., the 2nd largest corporation in the world, which paid ZERO taxes. I'm upset that companies can offshore all of our jobs. Dude, I had an MRI done a couple of years back and the electronic images were sent to India via email to be read by an Indian radiologist. Not even doctors are safe from losing their jobs to cheaper labor overseas. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to find one among the OWS contingent.

It's the ORGANIZED theft of our nation's wealth that I'm against. Lobbies that buy Congressmen and Senators so that they'll pass legislation favorable to them, and them alone. That's not Democracy either; that's La Cosa Nostra. TPTB have their own version of "this thing of ours" and they have been perfecting it, shaping the rules to benefit themselves because they are in a position to do it, for a long time. It's affecting different people in different ways, but I think people are waking up to the fact that they are being played, that the system is rigged, and the American Dream - for most people - is just that; a dream.

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when honest hard working citizens lose their houses because wall street bankers crashed the housing market and lowered the value of the house putting them underwater, the banks said you cant pay ill bunkrupt you,
when the banks couldnt pay they were given future public earnings,

in such a system it matters little how honest or hard working you are

you will lose everything no matter how hard you work

i ask for no money,
i ask for prosicution under rico laws to imprison the people directly involved in making it imposable to be an honest hard working citizen with a morgage.

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reply to post by OldCorp

I'm not against individuals earning huge amounts of cash and enjoying the benefits from their labor. What I'm upset about are large corporations like G.E., the 2nd largest corporation in the world, which paid ZERO taxes.

Well, I’m with you on that. I know you are far from a communist. I was commenting specifically on what you wrote in your first post. You stated:

Recently I've begun to think, "How much do people really need?" When I see a vacuous airhead like Kim Kardashian spend over a million dollars on a fake wedding, Michael Moore's HUGE vacation estate, or Obama's Billion dollar campaign war chest; baby I'm ALL about "Tax the rich."

Communist countries dictate what their people can or cannot make. Socialist counties try do mandate income equality. Neither of these avenues is good for America. This kind of talk is why I don’t support OWS. I don’t believe in punishing a wealthy person for being wealthy and I don’t believe in wealth redistribution. If someone has broken a law I’ll be right there with you condemning them but that has nothing to do with taxing the rich more. I’m of the mindset that government needs to stay the hell out of businesses and not mandate wages. If a board of directors wants to pay a guy $12,000,000 a year that’s their business. If he breaks the law then its our business! Otherwise, let the businesses decide what they want to pay and who they want to hire.

It's the ORGANIZED theft of our nation's wealth that I'm against. Lobbies that buy Congressmen and Senators so that they'll pass legislation favorable to them, and them alone. That's not Democracy either; that's La Cosa Nostra. TPTB have their own version of "this thing of ours" and they have been perfecting it, shaping the rules to benefit themselves because they are in a position to do it, for a long time. It's affecting different people in different ways, but I think people are waking up to the fact that they are being played, that the system is rigged, and the American Dream - for most people - is just that; a dream.

I’m with you on all of that too. The crony capitalism has got to be stopped and anybody who participated needs to go. I also believe people are waking up….just have to keep them focused on the correct villains….in DC.

I love how people just fall short of saying OWS should become a lobbying group or how they should hire one to lead them so they can become part of the problem they are complaining about. It makes no sence or people just don't understand why anyone would complain about how things are and think people must join in the games played in order to do anything. But then again a lot of times I see people on ATS who are part of the game in the first place. People think if you don't come up with a written proposal such as this then just don't bother you can't play. Or maybe they think you must have something like this in order to play. Or maybe your supposed to have somethin like this to be able to play. They think if you don't have these things you can't expect to play just be a peasant, a pawn or a sheep and do what your told.

Well 99% of the people are begining to refuse to be a peasant, a pawn or a sheep any more.

reply to post by JBA2848


That’s all great info! So what do you propose? According to the links you supplied, we’re getting steered regardless which way we lean - OWS or TTP, right? Are you suggesting get behind the high-jacked OWS or get behind the high-jacked Tea Party or a different route?

OWS is being steered by Soros and big money radicals. Tea Party is being steered by the Koch Bros and big money conservatives. What’s the solution?

Are you claiming that both big money powers (right and left) are actually working together to divide us so they can form the NWO, or is there no NWO and its really just right vs left?

reply to post by seabag


Just be chaos like OWS is being. No leader. Or we can just contiune like Rodnet says in this video.



How about George and what he has said.

reply to post by JBA2848


Ya!

That will fix it!

Disorganization and chaos never solved anything. OWS is a shining example!

Stop Trolling!

reply to post by seabag


No leader and chaos from no leader is workiing. The different unions have joined forces they are each part of the 99%. The common man are also joining because they are part of the 99%. You can take just about any group and they will fit in the 99% but no one wants to have any leader of those groups running the 99%. And it works in defense also because the 1% must attack every body to attack the 99%. But the 1% already know how to attack all the groups one by one. When united in the 99% its harder for them to even fight. No leaders = no targets.

Revolutions are hard work; who do you think works harder: the people on the streets protesting(99%), or the people who have engineered themselves into power and money(1%).

The Occupy movement has to work harder and smarter than those they are protesting against, otherwise they will never win. And from what I have seen, no one who is Occupying has the brains or the work ethic to overthrow the "1%".

Don't worry. You guys will keep standing your ground in the streets, the banks will keep collecting your stuff from under you, and I'll keep working my ass off so that one day I can stand up and voice my opinion. Real Revolution will come, I just hope my chances to see change aren't shot to bits because the Occupiers don't have the patience or the intellect to bring about actual change.

Occupation is not victory.

Edit: this is an opinion of mine. You are entitled to your opinion. If you tell me I am wrong; prove it. Otherwise, you are also stating an opinion.