UFO Technology: Ideas concerning Nazi UFO's (This could be it!)

I think in this day and age of the 21st century, it is time to stop referring to ALL Germans of the WW2 as Nazis.

In fact, all the German scientists, engineers, etc etc, were no more or less sinister, than the same scientists, engineers, etc of the Americans or the British.

The Nazis Party was a Political party....Same as the Republicans or Democrats.

How many Real Americans actually BELONG to each party?

The Majority of Germans in the 1930s and 40s, did NOT belong to the Nazis party.....Whether they voted for them or not is irrelevant. Hitler promised to rebuild Germany, which had suffered thru the depression and the OPPRESSION of the Allies (US, BRITAIN, FRANCE), after WW1, they Starved the Germans and destroyed their economy and life.
Hitler was a politician and orrator of no less standing than JFK, or Obama. He struck a cord with the German people, He gave them jobs, a purpose, money, and a goal to unite the divided Germania.

The Nazis were made up of Doctors, Butchers, Teachers, and others like the Hitler Youth, who were brainwashed by an ever more psyco, irrational, meglomaniac leader.
We have seen many more meglomaniacs thru history, and even now, and there will be more in the future.

So the "Nazis" didnt invent any technology, it was just educated and intelligent ordinary German people, scientists, engineers, tradesmen.....who built war machines in times of war.

Remember, its Politicians who start Wars, but ordinary people who fight and die, in them.

Originally posted by Regenstorm
reply to post by thegagefather

 

These saucers have nothing to do with rocketry, Braun might have been in the know, but that would be all.
The person that knew everything was Hans Kammler.

Braun admitted several times to have had worked on craft like this.

reply to post by gort51


You're absolutely correct. The German people are very intelligent. They have contributed alot to this World. What one single political Party dictated should not be their overall historical image. ~SheopleNation

Wow! What an interesting compilation and defense of material OP.

It puzzles me as to why the remaining/living/waiting Reich didn't unleash any of their volatile saucer static weapons (the ones blowing-up munitions plants & shutting-down nuclear facilities) during the ~50-yrs. their country had a wall running thru it? Seems like reuniting the motherland by destroying a wall would have been a piece of cake.

It also seems as though the Cold War would have been the best time to play both ends against the middle & make a secreted move toward global supremacy by a 3rd-unknown--or forgotten entity(?).

reply to post by jimboMakkka82


I believe you had posted a question for me earlier but for some reason I'm not seeing it any longer?

Regardless, I think the link below makes a very strong argument that relies on verifiable documentation to make its case rather than hearsay and innuendo. I know that a few of us on ATS are well versed in the details of WWII aviation technology and the air war in general, Jeff Lindell's (the author) information matches up well with independent verification.

A Historical and Physiological Perspective of the Foo Fighters of World War Two.

If you haven't already, be sure to read through zigguratvertigo's post THE NAZI UFO MYTHOS which touches on the theories of Jeff Lindell, Andy Roberts and Kevin McClure (all three are intelligent men with different perceptions of the phenomena)

Andy Roberts/Schweinfurt - A Mystery Solved?

and

Andy Roberts/FOO FIGHTERS: THE STORY SO FAR

Make very good arguments.

Also take your time and read through UFO in the Third Reich

Be sure to click through the various subtopics in the menu on the top right hand corner. There is a wealth of well documented and provocative idea's on the subject that will help anyone trying to sort through all the contradictory information on the subject.

I'll try and add a bit more on the matter shortly but these should keep anyone interested busy for at least a short while.

Enjoy!

Originally posted by OlafMiacov
Wow! What an interesting compilation and defense of material OP.

It puzzles me as to why the remaining/living/waiting Reich didn't unleash any of their volatile saucer static weapons (the ones blowing-up munitions plants & shutting-down nuclear facilities) during the ~50-yrs. their country had a wall running thru it? Seems like reuniting the motherland by destroying a wall would have been a piece of cake.

It also seems as though the Cold War would have been the best time to play both ends against the middle & make a secreted move toward global supremacy by a 3rd-unknown--or forgotten entity(?).

Its because the National Socialists escaped to thier secret moon base from their secret spaceport in Antarctica to plot their ultimate revenge.

I thought everyone knew that?

reply to post by Regenstorm


Cool stuff especially the end with the tesla coils fizzing and doing the theme to the old school mario games.

I can only say, what the vril were them cookie crazy Germans up to.

reply to post by marcus33cz


Has anyone heard of the electric universe theory? I have only just come across it but it seems to be a very simple theory on the universe that makes a lot of sense and could tie in with ufo propulsion systems, free energy etc.

The basic premise is that the strongest force in the universe is electromagnetism rather than gravity which is what traditional models rely on. Traditional models tell us that space is empty. However space is actually full of magnetic fields. What is the only thing that creates a magnetic field? Electricity. So electricity is everywhere yet is mostly ignored by traditional models. At a small scale, electrons, protons etc have electrical charges. Everything is based on electricity.

The theory covers a lot of ground and basically says our current understanding of gravity based science was founded when we couldn’t observe as much as we can now. We now have much more powerful telescopes that can look at a much wider range of phenomena with x-ray, infa-red, etc, etc.

By being able to observe the universe in these different light spectrums and with different instruments, new revelations keep coming out and to keep up the current gravity based paradigm, scientists have to keep coming up with new theoretical things such as dark energy or neutrino stars so that their models continue to work rather than look objectively at all the available data. The current paradigm can’t seem to come to a universal conclusion which works at both a large and small scale.

This electric universe theory works at all scales, so much so that movements of spiral galaxies can be reconstructed in a minute scale at the laboratory using known observed electrical and magnetic behavior. It also predicts quite a few newly observed phenomena that the traditional model has no explanation for. There is a list of about 30 things regarding the sun that can't be explained by the traditional model, and are explained away as anomalies, but really are quite fundamental observations of the sun's behavior that the electrical universe model incorporates (41.19 in the youtube vid I link below).

There are a few websites you can find after a google search that will explain it way better than me but I will include a youtube link for a video that came with a book that I bought on the subject which really is the best place to start if you have an hour to watch it. It is well worth it.

I am interested in the Nazi ufo connection, free energy, nikola tesla etc but many have not heard of the electric universe theory which I think ties in nicely. I would be interested to hear others thoughts on this too.

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by BigNOIDindaHouse


Nice thread ragenstorm , I have seen these videos before , however havent seen the original german one you posted !

To this dude , yo man america is the 4th reich , are you blind !

In the video the guy mentions that the german engineers travelled to India to discover about this energy of the universe. I think what they were actually doing is trying to find out more about Vihmana , the flying machines of ancient India , the chariots of fire !

reply to post by Regenstorm


I remember reading this www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

in this book , the guy has a picture of the gyroscope device used on a vril flying ,machine ! there is a picture of it in there
the same theories used are what you have been going on about !

Master gyro compass

Well...this topic explains why the US government bailed out GE.

reply to post by TheMur

That might be true if it were not for the thousands upon thousands of UFO reports dating back to well before WW2, or even well before the industrial age in fact.

So, unless they also invented backwards time travel, UFO (all of them) sightings cannot be due to secret human aircraft.

reply to post by Blue Shift

You would think that if an army had developed such sophisticated aircraft, that they would be used in war wouldn't you.

That is though, if one quite naturally assumes the intent is in ending a war as quickly as possible, which doesn't always appear to be the case, as bizarre as that seems.

Remember who the war benefited and you'll probably see what i'm driving at...in fact, keep in mind who benefit from almost ALL wars that have ever been fought, at least in the post industrial age.

Bankers and financiers, that's who.

They arranged to finance both sides of conflict, and profit heavily from both. If the conflict is over too quickly, no significant spending on arms and equipment takes place, no massive loans are taken, and profits are small. If the conflict lasts for years, profits are very large indeed.

A superior aerial technology akin to a UFO, would have won the war for it's designers in less than a week.

reply to post by Drunkenparrot


thanks for replying bud (yeah, i did delete that comment because i went on to find suggested reading on the subject in later posts; THE NAZI UFO MYTHOS & False Histories. i thought these made my question a lil pointless and didn't want to take up your time )

that said, i'm looking forward getting through the sources you've provided, so cheers.
i was always uber skeptical with regards to 'die glocke' and the like, and damn did people just queue around the block to stone/burn/beat me to death for such heresy! it's curious how *seemingly* reputable investigators like nick cook (who i've only seen in the few doc's he's done on ufos, nazis & the coldwar) buy into such far-fetched subject matter. maybe the lure of $$$ wins against professionalism & journalistic integrity.
and isn't igor witkowski the one & only source of 'information' when it comes to the bell? haha, he looks dodgy, he never makes eye contact either!
i could be wrong but there's not a single molecule of evidence to support the nazi bell story is there folks? real, objective evidence- and comic book pictures don't count like somebody before seemed to think.

i wonder what yours (and anyone else's for that matter) thoughts on the kecksburg 'acorn' case are then? seeing as when that's brought up the nazi bell is never far behind!

p.s: here's a funny quick vid about a certain mr g. adamski...

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by spikey


well, to the best of my -admittedly extremely amateur- knowledge most of the wars fought over the past fifty years or so have been largely based on guerilla combat. e.g vietnam, afghanistan, iraqi insurgency. this being the case, i'd find it hard to see how some advanced saucer craft would do what's required by us better than good old jets and helicopters; troop transports & airstrikes.
if we were talking hardcore dogfighting, a la WW2, then a hugely fast & supernaturally manouverable disc up against 'primitive' traditional planes would indeed be a significant advantage.

that's what i reckon anyhow, but like i said i am by no means clued up when it comes to... errr.... well, anything.

nazi bell & saucers are certainly far fetched and require a fair leap of faith, but compared to the laughable garbage that spews out the likes of john lear & alex collier, it doesn't sit too badly with me.

reply to post by Regenstorm


good thread, awesome debate!

i've found a much better quality copy of the english version of the documentary video included in your original post here:

www.youtube.com...

the background music is still painfully bad however!

Originally posted by Regenstorm
reply to post by DerVerboten

 

Let me say this, you better buckle up when TPTB starts the war against Iran. Not long after that Russia will start to march westwards and if this prophecy comes true and it looks like that if you look at Russia's attitude towards the west.
Oh boy, Oh boy, Oh boy, if it really comes true, there will suddenly be "fiery Chariots" fighting the last war, German ones.

Are these prophecies coming true? Here's some confirmation.

reply to post by jimboMakkka82


Thanks for that, the quality is better but the translation is the same, which is incorrect at many points.