We are NOT Awake, but We ARE Aware.

Hello ladies and Gentlemen,

I need your help.

I find myself becoming frustrated in the use of the terminology of awake and aware. These terms are used so often on this site as a catch all statement. Please, let me explain.

When one becomes aware of the reality of the world we live in, in global occurrences, They are said to be "Awake" and that makes sense, but the word "Awake" is also used in reference to Spiritual "Awakenings" as well and that makes sense too. The problem is that these are two vastly different levels of being Awake.

So many people make the assumption that just because they are awake to one they are awake to the other and 7 times out of 10 this is not the case. I think the part that frustrates me the most is when people assume they are spiritually awake when in actuality they are simply beginners. Even someone who has studied spirituality for years may not have learned the lessons or gained the wisdom to actually be awake and thus are still beginners.

One of the first lessons is to release fear and doubt, yet self professed "awakened" people still promote fear of the spiritual by warning or discussing shadows or dark entities when all that is needed to dispel them is releasing fear and accepting the light.

On the other side of the coin, just because someone knows that official answers don't add up does not mean they are awake to the occurrences of the world. For example, just because one understands that black flag situations exist does not mean they accept or even understand that weather manipulation or psychic warfare even exists.

Either way we are all in a state of awakening not necessarily "Awake" yet the term is used so often to downgrade others. I think the term "Sheeple" in reference to those that are not aware has helped in the separation of the understandings of these words. People no longer use the word "aware" when referring to an understanding but have substituted "awake" in order to place self over others in understanding.

What I need your help doing is redefining or finding new ways of expressing awareness both in this physical world and the Spiritual so they may be separated as levels of awareness and helping others to see the difference as no one in the physical can be awake completely in either situation. Although we try to understand the world we as an individual can never know everything which would be the true definition of being "awake" however we are all, at least on this site, in a state of awakening.

Thank you,

Agarta

reply to post by Agarta

What I need your help doing is redefining or finding new ways of expressing awareness both in this physical world and the Spiritual so they may be separated as levels of awareness and helping others to see the difference as no one in the physical can be awake completely in either situation. Although we try to understand the world we as an individual can never know everything which would be the true definition of being "awake" however we are all, at least on this site, in a state of awakening.

I agree and i disagree. i do think we need a better way of expressing the seperation between what I like to call "full spiritual awareness," and what i like to call "peircing the veil." At the same time though I do beleive it's possible that someone in the physical could have complete spiritual awareness, and i see no reason to think the opposite, however, it's not necesarilly practical for most people where they are right now in time to have full spiritual awareness at all times. IMHO part of this experience is actually going from not knowing to knowing and everywhere in between, thus making full spiritual awareness eventually necassery(IMO)

Or are we aware but not even begun to wake up yet? Are we just in the Matrix, or are we on the lowest vibrations of reality? I suppose talking about "vibrations" and such would make us in a metaphysical Matrix.

Originally posted by facewhatly
reply to post by Agarta

 

I agree and i disagree. i do think we need a better way of expressing the seperation between what I like to call "full spiritual awareness," and what i like to call "peircing the veil." At the same time though I do beleive it's possible that someone in the physical could have complete spiritual awareness, and i see no reason to think the opposite, however, it's not necesarilly practical for most people where they are right now in time to have full spiritual awareness at all times. IMHO part of this experience is actually going from not knowing to knowing and everywhere in between, thus making full spiritual awareness eventually necassery(IMO)

I do understand where you are coming from and maybe I see it a little different, but I do not believe for an instant that there is any possible way to reach true spiritual understanding in this realm of existence. Many schools of thought teach that there are levels beyond this reality as stepping stones to the next. Yes, I believe we can gain the wisdom and true knowledge(and therefore be awake to all the knowledge of spirit of this level) and thus ascend to the next level, but we can't just jump to the top of the ladder of spiritual growth.

The next level has teachings and understandings that we, physical beings, have no comprehension of. Does that make sense? So, with this thinking we can only understand what we can comprehend within the reality we can ascend to. Thank you for your reply and I look forward to a discussion with you on this subject.

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This is something that I think it important to consider. I think you're right that it's not practical or wise for people to have such an experience as awareness and awakeness. Fully awake, we'd probably have all our minds go snap,crackle,pop no matter how spiritually evolved we are. Having even partial awakeness and awareness would probably drive many people batty.

reply to post by AnIntellectualRedneck


and it is as more people are becoming more aware, things are starting to get a little crazy and there is alot of "tension" in the air so to speak. all i can say is well see how we can handle all of this in the coming years.

well written post agarta..

I would like to point out as you have hinted at, people use this term awake usually to put others in a lower place.

what we all must remember is we as an individual are awake when we decide to look for truth on our own without the guidance of this physical world.

to be awake or aware is a variable only defined by our perception which is always changing...

I feel the root to understanding these words or levels of consciousness is in ourselves and not a label we can place on anyone else.

there is the problem how do we know we are using the corrects definition or on the right path to true awakening..

I feel the same as you so beautifully said agarta dispel evil and release your fear. separate yourself from your emotion do not become your emotion.

its like this quote i saw recently we strive to become Buddha we do not learn Buddhism we become..

Don't know if this will help you Agarta, but I just posted this in another thread;

I personally see the term "awake and aware" as it is used on ATS and in the "alternative" media as something much simpler in concept. I think we complicate it to mean something it doesn't, in the context of its usage.

Most who use it are not thinking of a spiritual facet to the phrase. Others, such as yourself, see beyond the "911 was an inside job" concept of being awake, and see it as a spiritual journey. Nothing wrong with that. I just don't see it as applicable in the minds of many who turn the term.

Simply put. For the average person. Being awake and aware is a daily and willful choice of any individual to utilize their critical faculties to analyze and process all information consciously no matter where it comes from, and purposefully placing it where it should be in our subconscious.

Too many of us run around on autopilot. And don't use our analytical skills to chew on things before we ingest them. No matter the source of the information.

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reply to post by -W1LL


Thank you for your kind words. I feel you have expressed my purpose better than I.

reply to post by Klassified


I saw your post in AnIntellectualRednecks thread and thought it was wonderful. I saw how it fit with my thread so nicely and was wondering how or if you would post on this one. Thank you for doing it that way its perfect as it ties both threads together.

You make a very good point - especially in an environment like ATS where so many diverse topics are explored and discussed. As my focus has been that of a spiritual seeker, I have always interpreted the phrase “awake and aware” in a spiritual context. However, I also see the terms being used to apply to an informed and knowlegeable perspective of world events in increasing fashion. So as both perspectives rub elbows together here in the ATS community - it occurs to me that we all become seekers, albeit from a different focus.

I believe the communication problem is a growing one as well. Those focused on their spiritual journey are exploring the world affairs around them with increasing interest. In addition, those focused on world affairs have experiences of a more spiritual nature.

I would also like to add to the discussion the observation, made throughout history, of language being merely a pointing device in spiritual matters. It is in the practice and experience that the concepts are truly understood. Yet to seek, learn from and teach each other - language is the tool at our disposal.

I agree that Spiritual Awakening is an ongoing process - which requires a continuing desire to grow and learn to blossom. And as you point out, the process of understanding world events from an “aware” perspective is also not a one time threshold but a continuing learning experience. So we are facing overlapping concepts and language - and a multitude of levels of experience and knowledge within each.

I believe that communication with each other about these critical components is more important than ever in our present time. How can we learn from and teach each other if we are talking apples and oranges? Even if we agree that we have both experienced an orange - does the discussion end there? Is it possible that one has the orange in hand, while the other has discovered that by peeling back the skin a whole new experience is revealed?

Maybe increased understanding of the complexity of both of these approaches is in order. Maybe its time for deeper discussion and learning from each other - and not assuming that we have reached wakefulness and awareness because we have started the journey. I for one will look at the awake and aware phrase with more care as I journey forward.

Completely agree with you Agarta.

The term "awake" is constantly thrown around loosely, when it can actually defines someone's spiritual awakening.

I like to think of myself as fully aware, yet not really awake...or very drowsy.

reply to post by Agarta


if i may make a guess on the subject, since i dont use those words, as u clearly stated both means refer to scripture substance which sincerely i never believed being true nor even could be really done by any powerful god while it is

so from what i did get about scripture reading and from my own perspective on all expressions about everything, i would say that awareness has nothing to do with awakening
in the literal sense, nothing is in between

awareness is the side out of nothing that in all situations is the only present to itself

awakeness is the other side out of nothing positive freedom sense where conscious know being the only useful move to itself freedom, in the realm dimension of all freedom being an absolute fact

literally, awake is the busy schedule morning day

aware is the peace of night as objective sight

aware is passive when awake is active

awake is objectively positive as present realizator of smthg

aware is objectively negative as behind nothing being the present known

awake could b subjectively inferior as willing to believe any being to himself reality ,
aware could b subjectively superior as meaning nothing to b first,

awake cant b subjectively superior bc u cant realize smthg positively unless all is absolutely right, while if all is absolutely right the word awake would not exist, awake is the concept reaction to wrong

of same logics spirit we could assert that aware cant b subjectively inferior but lets invent a justification of that

what is aware is objectively always less then nothing, as only itself present, while there cant b other then nothing in present dimension but truth, which is absolute superiority sense always, so the awareness that objectively is always less then nothing is always subjectively superior right

a lot of confusions are bc of opposites merge for one

like the sense of awakeness is also from abusing the sense of existence

existing is not being awake

existing is to truth
awakening is to means or wills

existing is to objective facts constancy
awaken is to subjective variable sense

it is possible to become awake bc some existence is

but that possibility is only when truth is where then all as any is absolutely positive free at once meaning truth as only the one concept of always present absolute superiority,

while awakeness is always not existence

sorry for such useless thoughts, but my point is to kill the value u give to words

words are nothing of value, they become valuable for meaning a value in clear sentences that can conceive objective free dimensions

reply to post by absolutely


What you just did was show why words should have value. If you wanted to show why words shouldn't have value I think you should have just stayed silent. Any ways it was preety easy to decode.

reply to post by Doublemint


it is incredible how stupid u can b only for the sake of insisting on some wills that ensure urself to never admit else existence but u, yea b one, stupidest as it can get to b

sentences are not words mister, remember? cant u recall knowing the difference between a word and a sentence or a full paragraph?

words has no value by themselves, it is evil to insist upon willing to justify ur existence through words

reply to post by absolutely


what doesn't make sense to me is how you want to represent both sides of the argument. Just pick one and stick with it. Do words have meaning or not? Well, unless you just want to agrue against yourself, then go for it.

reply to post by Doublemint


the nonsense is what u prove being, how words means are to words value? if a sentence mean any, the value goes to the thing objective reality or to what made that sentence which of course dont exist from sentences he makes, so its existence value is somewhere else

u r what contradict itself since u r meaning to give value to reject the true value so to what has no value always

if words are useful to urself valorization to mean being objective right, this confirm on the contrary how words have no value since then mean is urself value there

u always mean to get justification of anything so u can b absolutely free in using it

urself value try to get it from what u realize to urself, the whole world present relation to words confirm what i say being right, noone ever read or speak other then through cuting words bc words has no value at all

reply to post by absolutely


thats fine. Just to let you know me and you are using differnt langues so that might be the problem too.
In your langue maybe words have no value but still why use them?

reply to post by absolutely


Okay. First off a disclaimer. I really really tried to read each of your 3 posts to this thread and understand what you were saying. Truly, I did. What I see is a lot of different words and phrases thrown together into a mix that I can't make heads or tails of. When I thought I might have guessed what you were saying, your next post takes a completely different angle. So I'm clueless despite my best efforts to understand.

Having said that, I can't help but see the irony in your posts considering one of the thread's topics - the importance yet subtlety of language. Perhaps this observation of irony was your point in the first place. Alas, I fear I will never know.

Originally posted by Doublemint

In your langue maybe words have no value but still why use them?

as i said values are to b respected being more then u so never to b used

everyone confirms it even, by using what has no values and this is the reference to define evil as what ab use objective values as meaning using them

that is how too, the superior right one is who would use his true self for objective value superiority, every one prefer to keep himself truth out of all so to keep its abstract value right intouched saved