Are certain bible passage readers covering up there being a such thing as a rapture(s) written about

Do you find that certain passage readers are covering up there being a such thing as a rapture(s) written about in the bible? If so, then be heard about it in here. Or why do you think certain people are just anti-rapture?

Here is the fun part. Which of these 1-4 numbered quotes below from kjv may imply a rapture(s) written about under other terms? And why or why not?

1)

Luke 17

34I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

35Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

36Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

37And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

2)

Matthew 24

31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

3)

Mark 9:1
And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

4)

Luke 9:27
But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Keep in mind that I mentioned in one of my first topics here on ATS that I've been raptured twice so far and put back. And that I was left with no observation memory of where I went to. And that my physical body had been occupied by a soul bot that took over twice while I was away both times. In other words I at least KNOW rapturing is a genuine thing. Luke 17 mentions that the kingdom of God come not with observation. And I at least know that at this point by the two times I was raptured. But understand that this topic is not about my being raptured. I just thought I share that much so that you know I buy there being a such thing as raptures being outside any book which may or may not tell there being such a thing.

reply to post by WarJohn
Rapture - valid teaching that just refers to being "caught up" at the return of Christ. The only question is a matter of timing and application (pre-tribulation/post-tribulation). Taking the account in Thessalonians with the account of Christ's return in Revelation 20 shows that believers will in fact be here for the tribulation as the first resurrection (which occurs at the rapture as discussed in Thessalonians) doesn't occur until after the tribulation and at the return of Christ.

1 & 2 refer to the rapture. 3 & 4 don't (they refer to the transfiguration of Jesus).

Those "left behind" will be destroyed by the brightness of his coming and dead, as were those left behind in the flood of Noah and not "taken" on the ark.

reply to post by WarJohn


I don't know if these passages you quoted refer to the Rapture of the Body of Christ or if Jesus is referring to the Jews at His second coming. That remains to be seen.

However, there is a definite reference in the New Testament to the Rapture. 1Thessalonians 3:16-17 "For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first; Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

This passage definitely does not refer to His second coming because the Lord does not come down to earth to call us but is in the air.

Originally posted by WarJohn



Keep in mind that I mentioned in one of my first topics here on ATS that I've been raptured twice so far and put back. And that I was left with no observation memory of where I went to. And that my physical body had been occupied by a soul bot that took over twice while I was away both times. In other words I at least KNOW rapturing is a genuine thing.

could you tell me more about these raptures you had sounds very interesting.

1)

Luke 17

34I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

35Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

36Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

37And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

2)

Matthew 24

31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

3)

Mark 9:1
And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

4)

Luke 9:27
But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

I believe that 1 and 2 refer to the rapture and that 3 and 4 refer to the second coming at the end of the tribulation. Yes, I do believe in the pretrib rapture. I know that there are some believers who don't. Even though we disagree on that, I don't think that it is a salvation issue, and we are all still brothers and sisters in Christ.

reply to post by Praetorius


If you are making a case for post-trib rapture, there are a number of verses that indicate the Body of Christ will not go though the tribulation.
1. Romans 5:9 "Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him."
2. 1 Thessalonians 1:10 "And to wait for His Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come."
3. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ."
4, Colossians 3:6 "For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience"

There is even a possible reference in the Old Testament
Zephaniah 2:1-3 "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired; before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the Lord come upon you, before the day of the Lord's anger come upon you, seek ye the Lord, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgement; seek righteousness, seek meekness; it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the Lord's anger.

Some scholars say this refers to Israel, but Israel is not a nation undesired. Israel is God's chosen people, the apple of His eye and His wife. Jesus came as the Jewish Messiah to bring salvation and the kingdom of God to the Jews, if they had accepted him. Gentiles who have put their faith in Jesus for salvation are grafted into the vine and are in my opinion the nation not desired. A word study of the word desired indicates: (Hebrew kacaph) to long for, to pine after, to be paleb reason of longing. Thus the desired nation is Israel and by consequence the undesired nation is made up of gentiles.

reply to post by WarJohn


Why do you believe you have been raptured twice?

If you do not remember where you were "caught up" to, how do you know you were not just unconscious?
How do you know someone/something inhabited your body while you were "away?"

Originally posted by 1PLA1
reply to post by WarJohn

 

Why do you believe you have been raptured twice?

If you do not remember where you were "caught up" to, how do you know you were not just unconscious?
How do you know someone/something inhabited your body while you were "away?"

Well if you get back to a physical body that is in the middle of doing something that's a certain indication you'd know. If I had been unconscious my physical body would have been laying out cold rather than up and about.

explain to us bro,

Some of my favs:

(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing." (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)

(The Lord saves Sampson from standing trial for 30 murders and arson by allowing him to kill 1000 more men.) When he reached Lehi, and the Philistines came shouting to meet him, the spirit of the Lord came upon him: the ropes around his arms become as flax that is consumed by fire and the bonds melted away from his hands. Near him was the fresh jawbone of an ass; he reached out, grasped it, and with it killed a thousand men. (Judges 15:14-15 NAB)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

It can get confusing if You try to determine the rapture timing. It really does not matter when it is.

I believe that there is a first a false rapture, as this happens in the day, whilst people are working. Using Transporter technology. Then the kings go underground.

Then after the 6 Seals are opened (We are now at 5th Seal) at the Sackcloth Sun/Darkness 6th Seal and during an Global Earthquake, people are not only 'taken up' but others die and go to Hell. This second rapture is for the Bride and guests!!!! The Barley harvest. The Restrainer goes (Not the Holy Spirit.)
The antichrist is now able to be known. And the two witnesses appear.

(As the timetable of Revelation is over 10 years, these started in 2008, so we are mid-tribulation now actually.
I say tribulation, as Swine Flu, pseudo famine and pseudo debt crisis, and Black ops kill teams are rife now.)

Then 3.5 years later in September/October, the third rapture occurs in the Sackcloth Sun/Darkness too, at the last trumpet. The Wheat harvest
This starts the Day of Wrath and woe betide anyone still on Earth but there are still two more rescues to be done; Israel's rescue and acceptance of the Messiah, and Bozrah where Jesus will dip his robe in the blood of those keeping Bozrah under control. Lasts 3.5years.

I am just talking about the timetable, not about how it is done, as I have been given knowledge of that too.

Personally I have been 'caught up' to Heaven at least 4 times and I have seen Jesus and He is my friend.
The Day of Wrath is not meant for those who love God; the Source, the Uncreated Creator, the One.
There is still time.

reply to post by Praetorius

3 & 4 don't (they refer to the transfiguration of Jesus).

No, Jesus was explaining one of the apostles would be alive to see Him coming in His glory from heaven. John did witness this event, while on the island of Patmos in 95-96 A.D.

reply to post by AriesJedi

Then after the 6 Seals are opened (We are now at 5th Seal).

No we are not, in Revelation Jesus tells John that the candlesticks represent the churches, and in chapter 4 the candlesticks are in heaven with John worshiping God when Christ is handed the sealed scroll.

reply to post by douglas82391

Some of my favs:

Why doesn't anyone allow God to be righteous? Or allow God to pass judgment? I wonder how you'd feel about a judge who continually let free people convicted of crimes?

I'll comment...why not? lol Anywho, just to mix things up a bit.....there are multiple raptures in the Bible. Some HAVE indeed all ready taken place, and there are at least three (3) more yet to take place.

Food for thought And you are completely right NoturTypical ↑↑↑...as usual.

reply to post by WarJohn


There will be no Rapture, I'm afraid. This doctrine was invented by John Nelson Darby invented the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine around 1830. Prior to 1830, no church taught the Rapture in their creed, catechism or their statement of faith. Most of the TV preachers who promote rapture and/or date of the end of the world all wrongly believe they are a prophet of God with special illumination. Pentecostals believe they are inspired directly from the Holy Spirit as modern day prophets. Baptists believe they are illuminated with guidance from the Holy Spirit.

The Dispensational Origins of Modern Premillennialism and John Nelson Darby

The John Darby Version: Dispensationally Manipulated

Use of the "Search" function would have revealed this.

Conspiracy: The Rapture Doctrine

The very plain, and simple fact is, we all have to save ourselves. There is no "saviour," no ET Race, and no God coming to save anyone and take them to a magical place and burn everyone else. All of the Gods were ETs, and most of the Bible was plagiarized from earlier sources, such as Enuma Elish and the Epic of Gilgamesh, and the Descent of the Goddess Ishtar into the Lower World. Educate yourself!

reply to post by autowrench


Wow, if I see this rumor on ATS again I'm going to vomit. John Darby "POPULARIZED" that rapture doctrine, he didn't create it. There are quotes from early church fathers not only discussing a rapture of the bride, but a pretribulational catching away.

Originally posted by KJV1611
I'll comment...why not? lol Anywho, just to mix things up a bit.....there are multiple raptures in the Bible. Some HAVE indeed all ready taken place, and there are at least three (3) more yet to take place.

Food for thought

And you are completely right NoturTypical ↑↑↑...as usual.

There are 7 total raptures in the Bible to be precise.

Thank you, God gets the glory, I'm just one beggar trying to show another beggar where to find some bread.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


I count 7 as well! From what I gather, I find these to be the seven:

1. Enoch
2. Moses
3. Elijah
4. Jesus Christ
5. The Church (Pre-trib)
6. The two witnesses (Moses and Elijah me thinks)
7. The tribulation Saints

These are what I find, do you have anything different, or to take away or add?