"German memo shows secret slide towards a super-state"

"German memo shows secret slide towards a super-state"

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An intrusive European body with the power to take over the economies of struggling nations should be set up to tackle the eurozone crisis, according to a leaked German government document.

The memo will prompt fears that Germany's euro crisis plans could result in a European super-state with spending and tax plans set in Brussels

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Do you believe Germany is seeking the throne in a European Super State? Or does it just make economic sense to merge European nations into a single stable economy?

"He who controls the money supply of a nation controls the nation." James A. Garfield. If Mr. Garfield is right, the face of modern 'war' is not fought with bullets but with debts and fiscal betting.



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It is the new Comintern.
A planetary conspiracy to enslave and extort.
Isn't it clear?

This bears revisiting in light of the memo in the OP.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

We could be seeing the first steps towards the elite financial control mechanism... a "supranational elite" meant to reject national sovereignty as 'counterproductive' (as it would be for them.)

The fact that this should have been foreseen is kind of embarrassing to those who claim to know the difference between being ruled and being governed.

Of course! Tomorrow Angela Merkel will wear a tiny little black moustache and take over Europe!

It must be very painful for the Brits not to be in reign of the European Empire that the press needs a new bad German now. But they only trie to fool their own people. If something goes wrong in Britain then blaim it to the Germans.

Booh, Britains! We are coming to shake your hands!

I don't think Germany or any other capitalistic-loving country would revert back to a dictatorship necessarily, but perhaps a new kind of ultra-capitalism where only the fiscal elite (ye olde 1%) get their say and ruling authority on what goes on in the world. Just throwing that idea out there, nevertheless it will be interesting to watch. When a European Union was first announced and the monetary unit "Euro" came into being, there were many people here then that were saying that event marked the beginning of the European Super State.

Wars using tanks, troops, and bombs to enslave nations has been replaced with accountants, 1's and 0's, and greed.

Welcome to war, 21st century style.

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If only this were 100% true, I would almost welcome it instead of blood letting.


My dad has always said "WWI & WWII started with Germany - it stands to reason WWIII will begin with them too."

The first 2 euro wars were lost by using brute force, looks like they have learned the George Soros doctrine well.

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Europe has a long common history but still has different languages and cultures. It was only logical that we would have to remember our common roots to be ready to face the 21st century. In the past European wars were always about the supremacy in Europe, but since the American civil war the Americans became a super state. Now China and India are comming. Europe has to think in other dimensions nowadays.

The Germans and the French are now the strongholds in Europe. They are also the ones, who pay the most into the community. The British always knew, that they would lose, if they stay outside, but they also did not want to come in. That's their problem. Now times are harsh and the community must prove if it is able to handle a crisis. Everybody is looking at Germany to pay the bills. But as soon as they voice conditions this means taking over the power?

Ridiculous!

I don't like the parties in reign, but they just started to be reasonable in this crazy situation.

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Politicial analphabets who love simplicity may think so.
But we won't do you that favour.

Originally posted by saint4God

Do you believe Germany is seeking the throne in a European Super State? Or does it just make economic sense to merge European nations into a single stable economy?

"He who controls the money supply of a nation controls the nation." James A. Garfield. If Mr. Garfield is right, the face of modern 'war' is not fought with bullets but with debts and fiscal betting.



www.wor thynews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

edit on 18-11-2011 by saint4God because: (no reason given)

So true though.

All they ( TPTB ) did was invent a system they could trick the whole world into buying into and then have those nations invest their countries wealth in it and then TPTB slowly over years and decades take over every countries economy.

As a species we have to adapt.
This is more of a hint on things to come than anything else, you can be afraid of a one world government all you want but it’s gonna happen, it has to. This is gust a (thing about it) blurp.
If you look around the world today people are beginning to stand together and demand change and it has happened.
As the world merges the elite will have to adapt also, they will no longer be able to screw the general public because the public all over the world has figured out that together we are strong, this is gonna happen more and more.
Instant communication has guaranteed that what happens over there will be judged over here and vise versa. I wouldn’t call it a psychic connection but people are banning together more than ever and now with an easy way to communicate it to the world, it’s more than the number on the street, it’s the world as a hole that responds.
The future is coming, like it or not. I think and hope it will be better.
The world as a whole is becoming more intelligent, the week can now speak to the masses, we as a species will come together and explore the universe.
Well let’s hope. I don’t want my kids to raise there’s in the Stone Age.

after reading the article in the link given by the OP there are so many questions:


Where does the document come from ?
Who leaked it?
who wrote it?
What is written in the document?
can we see the document ?

And so on. I do not want to dismiss the story, nor rain on anybodys parade. but i definetly like to have more info.

Originally posted by saint4God

Do you believe Germany is seeking the throne in a European Super State? Or does it just make economic sense to merge European nations into a single stable economy?

This was in a german paper (Bild) yesterday




It says,

"Europe speaks German, Mr. Cameron!"

"What do the brits still have to do in the EU anyway?"

Originally posted by svetlana84
after reading the article in the link given by the OP there are so many questions:

Where does the document come from ?
Who leaked it?
who wrote it?
What is written in the document?
can we see the document ?

And so on. I do not want to dismiss the story, nor rain on anybodys parade. but i definetly like to have more info.

These are all good questions, as a breaking story I haven't been able to find much so far, but here's an interesting addition:

"Further, during the Wall Street Journal CEO Council event that I attended, World Bank President Robert Zoellick mentioned that he had been in Germany twice in the last three weeks, but that on one of the trips to Germany he stopped in London, because, as he put it, what is going on in Europe is of concern to the UK. Bottom line, the Prime Minister is likely being kept very well up-to-date on the ultimate Euro Super State plan. Any UK outrage and concern from UK government officials is likely choreographed for the masses so that it will be difficult for them to understand the march toward the super euro state. Cameron can pose as a fighter of the plan, getting what he can for the UK, even though the real deal is being put together behind the scenes." www.economicpolicyjournal.com...

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In the meantime I checked some german news and could not find more info on it either. General consensus is,'communication failure, but no info on the leaked doc whatsoever.

Indeed at the moment it looks like europe is being sold out, germany pulling the strings but as well paying for all the failing nations (ireland, greece, spain, soon probably italy as well).
did you seenthe outrage of merkel (german chancellor) when the greek prime minister wanted his people to vote for or against the bailout? It was a very telling moment. democracy is gone, it s all about the pricetag now.

On the other hand i am not sure (and thats why i d like to have more info on the paper) if the news about the leaked doc is just cameron trying to finding a way out of the EU?

Anyways, a must see video from the source you posted: Nigel farrages speaks

Nigel makes a very interesting closing comment:

“You, an unelected man went to Italy and said ‘this is not the time for elections, it’s the time for action.’ What in God’s name gives you the right to say that to the Italian people?”

I had in mind the future scenario incorrectly perhaps. I expected the struggling nations to begin banding together with perhaps Greece and Italy being first. Historically Italy has had an affinity for Greek history, architect and culture and if they're two boarding nations in the same boat (pun intended) then surely pooling resources would make a lot of sense. Next to join them perhaps would be Portugal and Ireland, just guesses surely. Eastern europe such as Poland and the Baltics to follow suit, possibly rejoining new Russia. Once the Oligopolies were in full swing, then it'd be the profitable economic 'juggernauts' that would try to merge to out-compete the others. The U.S. would look to its trade partners already such as Canada, Mexico, Middle & South America. The mega-fortress countries would follow the old 'buy your neighbor out' progression that's indicative of the capitalistic model. Here's the difference. In our country, it's the government that prevents monopolies from taking over and squeezing the last dollar out of underprivileged persons...so who breaks up a one-world government when it is squeezing the last dollar out of underprivileged persons?

Originally posted by saint4God

Do you believe Germany is seeking the throne in a European Super State?

European Central Bank is in Frankfurt. I would say that Germany already has secured such a position.

There is no doubt about the fact that a eurozone economy is inherently problematic, especially for the less fortunate states. For example the Greek economy will be difficult to balance as the euro is used as the official Greek currency. This means, that while the euro is preforming well, it is still expensive for investors to invest in europe due to the high currency exchange. As such the Greek economy will struggle to find a balance. Even more so a problem is that while monetary policy is controlled by Brussels, fiscal policy is in the hands of the sovereign states of the European union (i.e. Greece). Thus contradictions and clashes between both policy bodies are inherent. One will have the interests of the EU in mind, while the other of their own sovereign nation.

I see 4 options with varrying degrees of flexibility
a) The "super-state"
b) The disolvment of the EU in its entirety
c) The disolvment of the Euro Zone economy and its replacement with a lose more political minded body
d) The removal of Greece (and possbily other poorly preforming countries) from the EU, and a looser more flexible EU body

Honestly i thin c) and d) are the most probable, but I wouldn't mind seeing b) occur.