Occupy The Consequences of Corruption Not The Root, Why Support That?

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Another OWS thread

Thing is I want to make this thread specifically about why do people support OWS when they aren't doing anything productive. Please read on and bare with me!

Right now as I see it most OWS protestors will be voting Obama while they are trying to occupy his most major campaign donors, does that make sense to you?

I see alot of posters saying "Why are you against people who want change?"
That to me is such a non-intellectual question, I just think to myself who are these people behind these keyboards saying this????
That sounds like Obama during the bailouts where he said something like "We need to do something, to do nothing would be irresponsible, whether that something is the most costly, and inneficient path possible is irrelevant"
Guys, nothing is not something.
Stupid will never lead any revolution of any sort

So why support a group turning a park into a tent city?
Why support people who have no list of demands, not much focus as to what they support or are against and hate the rich for no reasons?

I have zero issues with them hating corruption, cronyism, bailouts, stimulus packages or wars.
But to hate the rich even when it's rich people who outside of corruption worked hard for their money makes no sense to me. In fact it just sounds like spoiled children.

For you to call this a revolution is anti-revolutionary, to not only accept but support spoiled children as the leaders of the leaderless group of protesters is completely non-intellectual.

I don't oppose change, I do oppose stupid and idiotic approaches to change when the spearheaders don't even know what change they want however....

Why support, let's form a MASSIVE protest with zero planning whatsover!!!
I really don't get it

So I ask you, please help me understand the thing that you see that I don't!

Guys, I want this to be an intellectual debate and please remember I want change!

It has been long understood by those who look that it is not about -rich- people, who worked hard for their wealth, They're talking about taking advantage of people for monetary gain, lack of voice in politics, bailouts and the like.

Its about the banks, Its about big ass bonuses, its not about the guy who worked his whole life and has a couple million dollars, We're talking billions. Unnecessary amounts of money.

reply to post by ModernAcademia

So why support a group turning a park into a tent city? Why support people who have no list of demands, not much focus as to what they support or are against and hate the rich for no reasons?

you can keep claiming ignorance of those facts even when I know for a fact you've been told that information in several threads.

They have a list of demands
The have focused support in relation to their demands (wall street crooks go to jail, end the fed)
And they have no problem with the rich, just the criminals.

but alas, that's already too many times that you will have ignored that to count.

good luck with your "debate" it's clear what you want.

Link & gif is the same thing. Gif is not permanent. It will self destruct within 24 hours.

OWS

reply to post by AzureSky

It has been long understood by those who look that it is not about -rich- people, who worked hard for their wealth, They're talking about taking advantage of people for monetary gain, lack of voice in politics, bailouts and the like.

Save your breath, he is already aware of those facts and has chosen to ignore them.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by AzureSky

 

It has been long understood by those who look that it is not about -rich- people, who worked hard for their wealth, They're talking about taking advantage of people for monetary gain, lack of voice in politics, bailouts and the like.

Save your breath, he is already aware of those facts and has chosen to ignore them.

I know, i've told him myself several times and it was ignored.
I forgot that until you mentioned it,

reply to post by AzureSky

Unnecessary amounts of money.

Those are the types of comments that make me uncomfortable with the movement. I don't want anyone deciding what is just right and what is too much.

Against corruption, YES.

Against someone because they have an "unnecessary" amount of money, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I'v been following this and do support the root reason as to why they are protesting, but i also believe that there's a big number of people attending these protest who are blind to what change they need. I see a very strong foundation in these protest,but with no good leadership.

How can change come when you're going to vote for the same guy who gave the bank the bailouts? its like saying dont stick in there, while smiling and bending over.


The one good thing i feel that this movement has brought, is awareness, which is always good thing. Now that more and more people have become aware, we can start thinking about leadership, but before that we need to realize the change we need as a collective, not just one town,city,state,country - we need change for the world, to progress as a collective. OWS was the start of the revolution, we have made people aware of the corruptness that runs deep in government & central banking. The sheer numbers that attend OWS just goes to show, with real leadership we will get somewhere. . The question is, who


Edit to add:

People need to get over the fact that some people have worked hard for their money, or may even inherited it and own millions, thats far from the point. As long as these people do good things with their money, and dont use it to cause wars, manipulate people and cause destruction. . then good luck to them making that money and spending it on what ever the fk they like, let that be charity or a 5grand burger, who cares! (obv money could be better well spent but you get me)

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


Sage advice.

As to the op.

Which came first... chicken... or egg?

Perspective.. can often times change your reality.

Oh.. and there is no spoon.

Contemplate that.

Except for the spoon part... that was a joke.

If you're just looking for off the cuff thoughts, I have one.

My impression is that there are two driving principles at work. One, is that the wrong people have the money and influence, those should be redistributed. Two, is that we should have a form of government that insures everybody has roughly the same amount of money and assets.

As you say, I'm not trying to find arguments, just understanding.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


I really dont want to bump this thread with an answer. But feel I should say something, occupy is not one grouo of individuals, period. You cannot sterotype them, its impossible. All of them are diffrent and from different ends of the spectrum. Some are communists, some socialists and other liberalists etc.... This isnt about politics anymore, when you dig down to the bottom you will find that the roots are primarily about the hidden depopulation and eugenics and money.

This OWS is the start of the "true" war to end all wars, IMO. I am not a religious man but I do believe the bible got this one right.

All wars start at this point, when money and depopulation takes place, and the next war will be between "good and evil", it will be the final war to end all wars. Billions will die but for humanity its about those who make it out the other end. Will the winners be the eugenics followers or the public?

Originally posted by AzureSky
It has been long understood by those who look that it is not about -rich- people, who worked hard for their wealth, They're talking about taking advantage of people for monetary gain, lack of voice in politics, bailouts and the like.

This is untrue
Peter Schiff himself went to the protests and with a sign saying "I am the 1%, let's debate"
People said "you should be giving your fair share"
His money is not corrupt as you perhaps know
And nobody there was able to debate with him

So you are not entirely right
And maybe you slightly are, the problem is they no have list of demands, no manifesto so anyone who has no idea of what the movement is about can join

Originally posted by AzureSky
Its about the banks, Its about big ass bonuses, its not about the guy who worked his whole life and has a couple million dollars, We're talking billions. Unnecessary amounts of money.

Untrue again
Look at this guy, he owns a small bank


Once again they were not able to debate with him and nobody knew what they were talking about
Not only that, they had an opportunity to speak with a banker about issues, but guess what?
NOBODY LET HIM SPEAK!!!!!!!!!!

So again I will have to disagree with you

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
you can keep claiming ignorance of those facts even when I know for a fact you've been told that information in several threads.

Hello, i've replied to all of those "Facts" in Several threads
Check them again!

I have very much replied to all posts saying there are a list of demands

For the other statements you gave below what I quoted check my post above this one

OWS doesn't hate the rich and hey don't want their money.

They want a lot of other things but, most of all, they just want to change the RULES.

They believe as well as I that everyone should have an equal influence.
That influence should not have a price tag.

Does anyone disagree that money in politics is the root of MANY problems?

Originally posted by TheMindWar
I really dont want to bump this thread with an answer. But feel I should say something, occupy is not one grouo of individuals, period. You cannot sterotype them, its impossible. All of them are diffrent and from different ends of the spectrum. Some are communists, some socialists and other liberalists etc....
This isnt about politics anymore

Really?
Quick question then



What if it was MSNBC who was there reporting, what would have happened then?

Please answer me this question

reply to post by TheMindWar

This isnt about politics anymore, when you dig down to the bottom you will find that the roots are primarily about the hidden depopulation and eugenics and money.

I understood that money was important, but maybe I've haven't been following carefully enough. Depopulation and eugenics are at the root of OWS? I hadn't heard that, could you explain a little more? I don't recall a protester talking about those issues.

reply to post by Resinveins


Well according to michio kaku, both came first.... Although I couldn't begin to explain it



Personally, I advocate protesting the government. Its been around longer than the corporations today have been, and it legislates how they operate. If I have a problem with the corporations, I need to exercise my rights and petition the government to fix it. And sometimes that just means enforcing regulations already in place, sometimes it doesn't even require new laws.

As for the group in the video with the banker, I have to say that group of people were rude and didn't even allow the man to speak most of the time. And when he did have a chance to construct an argument, he had slogans yelled at him. Oh well, he was all pissy too, so whatever.

Originally posted by NashvilleCat
OWS doesn't hate the rich and hey don't want their money.

They want a lot of other things but, most of all, they just want to change the RULES.

They believe as well as I that everyone should have an equal influence.
That influence should not have a price tag.

Does anyone disagree that money in politics is the root of MANY problems?

You can't change any of this without the government changing how its operating.

OP has it right.

OWS may have somewhat of a point with their issue of corruption being bad. but they have no idea what that means, or what is corrupt or why.

just watch the video with the banker. its a bunch of whiney kids yelling at him because he can afford a lexus. about derivatives, which most likely they dont know what that even means.

stuff like "you should give back to the community" and all their bla bla bla.

you know why the banks had all these mortgages that went bad, and were traded so much? heres a hint. its NOT because the evil, corrupt bankers made up a bunch of mortgages, or went into peoples pockets and removed their money.

its because the govt forced them to loosen up qualifications on loans, and a whole bunch of idiots were able to get loans they should not have been able to get. having black skin all the sudden meant banks had to give you a loan, despite your financial means.

the banks did not ask for this, they were pushed towards it. and now the same morons who signed up for a $250,000 loan when they made $30,000 a year and didnt understand what a variable rate was, and didnt care to learn before signing a paper committing 30 years of their life to something, are out yelling at the banks who gave them an opportunity to own a home. yeah. those evil bankers forced people to not only sign mortgages they couldnt afford, but they then made them stop paying too! and they want to make a profit from selling a good/service??? how dare they!

they are just simply protesting the wrong thing. thats the problem with OWS. if you have a drug dealer in a schoolyard, do you go after the children receiving the drugs only, or do you go after the drug dealer?

OWS are attacking the children while praising the dealer. and that makes them ineffectual idiots. there will always be more children to receive the drugs. but they seem to have very little interest in replacing the drug dealer with somebody better. in fact, they get a lot of support from other drug dealers (unions= hugely corrupt political persuasion through loads of $$), all while attacking the children recipients.

are some of these bankers out of control? maybe. but how about go after the ones who allowed it to happen first?

how about they go protest obama and his giving billions in loans to his friends in the green energy sector?

if you cant understand the root of the problem, and why OWS is accomplishing nothing and barking up the wrong tree. well, i feel sorry for you.

and now i have to go back to work so that my taxes can pay for somebody elses american dream of welfare and govt handouts.

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You are absolutely right, rightly said!