This Bill is an Emergency for the Internet

Originally posted by br0ker

Originally posted by knightsofcydonia
Ponder these statements for a few minutes..and sign the petition. Nobody owns the internet!!!

Actually it`s the other way around. Everyone owns the internet and are able to build a bit of it by them selves. Build yourself an internet domain, ask you`re closest "neighbor" for connection to the rest of it, and voilà, your an owner.

If you build a server then you`re actually more than an owner, you`re in business. If you build a NODE, then you`re the connection to many other in the world.

Sorry, didn`t read your entire post as you`re opening line threw me off..

Hey bud did you finish reading the entire post?

I think you misinterpreted what I was communicating. Which was that no single entity owns the internet. get it?

This ties in with the Department of Justice being able to arrest you for a felony if you violate the terms of service for a website. This government has no limits to its tyranny.

Originally posted by CaptChaos
So under this bill, if I played a copyrighted song on my guitar, and posted it to youtube, I could go to jail? WTF?
All this will do is kill the internet for the US. All creative minds will just have to leave the country, because they don't have these stupid rules anywhere else. Well, except China, and they all already know how to get around it.

Yes, you seriously could. That is how bad the bill is. And that is exactly what they intend to do. I am not joking.

reply to post by Blaine91555


I dont get it, maybe i'm just been nieve but with that kind of proof surely its criminal? since when is bribery legal? How on earth do you let your politicians get away with this stuff?

Here is the first problem. There is a bad economy right now - for example, I am attempting to live on $300 a month and can't find another job, even with a college education. The internet is allowing many people like me cheap access to uncensored entertainment, which is a good thing for the people. It allows people to have a high quality of life without being forced to bend over backwards for those in power.

It also allows cheap access to information, which has been the biggest ally to freedom ever. It allows us to see how much bull# the people in power are trying to stream through their official pipelines and allows us to combat it with intelligent arguments. Even though this bill may not target that freedom of information directly and completely, it definitely hurts it, and future bills could finish it off.

Not only that, the internet allows people to express themselves even without being officially approved by the people in power. These days, it can be nearly impossible to be accepted by a mega corporation and put on their record label. But it is completely possible to use the internet to express yourself and get followers.

One of the many examples of this is Team Four Star's Dragonball Z Abridged, which would become illegal if this bill passes, as well as people using any reference to copyrighted material in their own creative work.

This bill is a direct attack on the people, making ordinary citizens criminals and tightening the control that big corporations and government have on everyone to a deadly degree.

Now think about this. The internet allows people access to streaming television shows online at their own leisure, without listening to the advertisements and political propaganda streaming through the TV. Imagine going back in time to where this wasn't possible, and how much more control the government will have over what you can access and how you think.

This bill is even worse than that, however. It makes you a felon if you so much as use a favorite song as a soundtrack to a photo album or video on Youtube.

a couple people and i were talking bout this last night if they get this bill passed out it will cencer everything it will basicly destory the internet

instead of bitching on the nets call this number
(202) 224-3121

its the congressional switchboard... take that list of people.. tell em' its time to rally up guys...

reply to post by darkbake

thanks for the dbz abridged link. i haven't laughed in months.
The jokes are sooo well written lol.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Nothing America does, or tries to do surprises me. This is just another attempt to flex their muscle. Won't it be a shame when the country falls, and turns into another Afghanistan, (minus the Muslim rule). When will the American populous realize they NEVER had any rights to begin with.... So, there are none that can really be taken away.

The internet was fun.....that's what history will say.
I am a ham radio operator and have watched the government steal our spectrum and sell it to the highest bidder...watched the fcc force citizens into digital tv while selling to foreign powers control of news and information....the internet was always just a toy for me, I never took it seriously or tried to make money off it or even cared if I got hacked...it was like one of my transmitters, just something to play with since 1991..I have several computers now and the thing that pisses me off is that when the chinese tell the United States to censor the net uncle sam can't move fast enough to comply...to control a populace you have to immobilize them, (high fuel prices), control all media, (Fcc over-reaching it authority), and of course the next step , disarm the people.
the way our new chinese overlords are doing it reminds me of the frog in a pot of cold water...turn on the heat and he never even notices he is being boiled alive. I do not know how to tell my senator and congressman in any plainer language than to say I will not tolerate any further government involvement in my life, censor the internet, lose your job.

It's crazy. The government in the US is supposed to be of, by and for the people. If they are doing something we don't like, it's our job to stand up and let them know. They aren't supposed to be doing anything we don't want them to. The government is supposed to be an extension of the people, they bow down to us, not the other way around.

Originally posted by manfather
reply to post by CaptChaos

 

It seems odd how these mysterious "bills" appear ever so often out of nowhere only to be forgotten in a few weeks... disappearing as fast as they surfaced.

seems very fishy.

They don't appear out of nowhere. There are groups of people actively engaging in the attempt to censor the internet. Who, and why I don't know. These types of bills haven't been passed, they don't even get far. But they keep trying. One day a smaller form of this bill might get passed, after perhaps weeks of debate and support on mainstream media networks. From that point the majority of working class americans will be more likely to bend over for larger bills. They'll be begging for it before the end.

Thrive-mass action

Might be worth being pro-active and gathering numbers for mass demonstration, just in case, in advance.

Whatever people think of the thrive movement, at least it offers an indication of how strongly people feel about the issues. The site even has nifty little illustrations which show when we 'reach critical mass' cute!

reply to post by knightsofcydonia


It's the continued clampdown of free speech and personal freedom of expression on this marvelous format of the Internet. I recently watched a film called, "barbershop punk" about a man who went up against Comcast for blocking him for file sharing barbershop quartet songs on p2p sites.

The legislation branch will make a big deal of not passing the bill....then it will be attached as a rider to some big give away program bill and passed unnoticed. since the government thinks they own us they believe they can do anything they want...they forget revolution is a right and a duty of all Americans...if only more citizens remembered that freedom is not given away byt government it is taken by government. The only thing they have is the biggest gang of thugs..the police state is the enemy...and terror is a put up job perpetuated by the government.

when the japs attacked Pearl Harbor we ended up nuking them...when the saudis attacked new york city we kiss their but and attack their enemies in the middle east. total confusion on the part of our government...now they seem to think they know best about what we should be able to see and hear.

All censorship is wrong bar none...I know some say what about porn or religious material we do not agree with...sorry, if you burn one book you might as well burn them all. Censor TV, censor radio, censor the net, censor thought.

reply to post by snowspirit


I think the nature can't be controled... like Internet

I'm afraid we brought this on ourselves, when we went from "Information wants to be free" to stealing products (films, games, applications, books).

What we should have done was to only allow a company a patent period of max 10 years to give them a head start with the ideas and products they invent.

After that period any idea or invention should automatically become public domain.

Personaly I think many people miss the point.
It's not about theft, some HONEST bands in the uk have admitted pirated music sells about 15% more than non pirated stuff. No its not about theft, its about control of information. When was the last time you heard a REAL protest song?
Remember what happened to Bob Marley "Get up, stand up for your rights"
or John Lennon "Give peace a chance. War is over"

No no no, its not about theft, its all about control.

UK visitors might remember the pirate radio ships Radio Caroline and Radio NorthSea International and what happened to them. For those that dont know it was back in the 60's and Radio ships LEGALY anchored in international waters and broadcast music. For the first time british people were hearing music form all over the world, especialy music from the US. For the first time in our lives we were free of the Blatently Biased Corporation (BBC), it was an amazing time. BUT!!! The BBC started broacasting a jamming signal that caused an iritating whine when we listened to the pirates but we continued to listen because even with the iritating noise it was better than the BBC.
So they blew them up. Attacked them at sea. Changed the laws and sued them in court. Then they employed all the DJ's from the pirate ships.
What did the pirates do wrong to attract so much attention? They promoted peace and love.

Not about theft, its all about control of what you can hear see or even feel.

Petitions. Waste of time but if you must then at least have the sense to all use THE SAME petition.
In the uk a few years back they tried to introduce PAY PER MILE charges on our roads and people went nuts and a website set up a petition. then suddenly ALL the news papers each started a petition. When ever the msm reported how many people had signed the petition they told us the total of just one petition.
Lots of petitions = divided and conquered.

oops I typed BBC, I wonder if thats copyright infringment

"Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights"
rip Bob Marley.

reply to post by knightsofcydonia


Insert all the words not permitted on ATS here: ____________________________________

Because that is how I feel about said bill.

If they will be censoring sites you better BET ATS will be one of the first to go.