The Spear of Destiny

hi

The most powerful ability of the spear is that it can make people think it has powers...

...truly remarkable...

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IA and I think it is a very important part of it!!! Whether it really gives people powers or not is not really important, in the whole scheme of things! If you make someone think they are all powerful they will act like they are all powerful!

I'm not sure I believe in a real "spear of destiny", but THEY do, and I wonder what kinda harm they could "bring down on us" with that power!

I think there really is something to the Spear of Destiny. It really makes sense of a lot of things. If there is an artifact that can be proven to be around 2,000 years old and if its believed to have pierced the flesh of Jesus, of course any archaeologist who finds it is going to do forensics testing on it to investigate... whoever gets their hands on the spear can easily wipe it clean and add few drops of their own blood to it. Then hand it off to a trusted friend, have them turn it in, and wait until a population of morons come to worship you. What makes it so valuable is that its probably the only 2,000 year old lance that's been preserved in an intelligible condition. Nobody would fall for the conspiracy if carbon dating didn't prove it to be that old.

Also, I might add that I listen to a lot of obscure black metal with lyrics dealing with occultic subjects. There's a ton of recent albums hinting that "God is dead" and the phrase "resurrection never coming" is common. I really think this is what most of the weird stuff going on around the world is all about. Christianity in itself is a conspiracy. Exterminate the narcissistic, independent members of society ("sinners") and let the most compassionate, disciplined people inherit earth. Sounds noble at first, but consider the motives of "God". In a situation like that, all TPTB would have to do to enslave the population is threaten to annihilate everyone if they don't cooperate together. An individual Christian might not be afraid of being killed, themselves, but if you threaten to kill the ones they love for stepping out of line...

Sorry if my writing sucks right now. I keep getting distracted by the TV and people around me. I'll elaborate later if nobody sees where I'm coming from.

This is something worth looking into here...

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The gentlemen in question is, Karl Von Habsburg.

and where did Hitler got this spear from? Accidentaly steping on it when he was still a corporal in WW I?

Originally posted by corellon
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Thanks for bringing this subject up OP. I was just looking for more information regarding the "secret man" and this group that believes that we have everything backwards (Satan is good, God is Evil). I think they were called the "Sons of the Fallen". Who knows maybe we do have it all wrong. After all the elite are privy to much more secrets than we are, not like they would tell us if there was some major find like that. You know, because it would collapse society and all that good stuff. This could explain why all these secret societies have all these so called Satanic rituals...in their eyes they are worshiping the correct "Good God"

its actualy the ARMY OF SATAN, and I am part of them. Ofcourse u are not allowed to tell about this to the world, if not u will receive a visit of MIB very soon.....

I think the freemasons have got it. . . . .

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The name of the man the body guard worked for is, Donald Trump,who also just happens to be german. Just my hypothesis.

Ok I'm not sure how close everyone watched the decoded video, but a few things caught my interest. These are simply my thoughts so please reply on either way you feel about it.

Earlier in the episode Brad said that a general raided one of Hitler's compounds and took the spear. Two hours later Hitler committed suicide. Why is it that they never brought up the fact of the US taking the spear after that? They never looked into it and mostly overlooked that.

Would that explain the US as the strongest superpower?
Has each president or select presidents held it in their posession?

I guess the biggest thing that caught my attention is the fact that this man comes in at the end of the episode to say he knows the whole story of the spear and brings up the "sons of the fallen" as the fall group. Never in any of the decoded episodes have they ever concluded with something like that. Its always a little talk about how it could be this way or that, never a possible conclusion. I have also been attempting to research the "sons of the fallen" and have not been able to find a thing.

So my question, is Brad Meltzer covering up a possible answer? Was he trying to throw us off his trail by putting this man with a story as a conclusion?

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The man said he 'had' 'worked for a very important man, who had taken the sword from Hitler.' The person would have had to be someone with a great deal of authority, who also had access to areas frequented by Hitler. Best possibility for such a person would have been General George S. Patton. In another segment of 'Decoded' the team had an interview with one of Patton's relatives, in which the woman mentioned something about the general having felt that the U.S. had the 'means' to battle with, and defeat the Soviet Union, (even though they were our allies at the time) because Patton never trusted them. Makes one wonder what the 'means' was, of which Patton spoke, and about which he felt so strongly. Best regards.

To Hitler The Spear of Destiny was real in its alleged powers. He spent much of his youth in Vienna studying the Spear and his one aim was to one day have it in his own possession. The history of the spear and those whose hands it has passed makes fascinating reading. You can bet that there was a queue waiting the opportunity to take it off Hiltler. Apparently the Spear, while conferring great powers on the possessor, has the opposite effect if someone else gets hold of it. I believe it is sitting in a museum, probably in Vienna, nowadays, waiting patiently for the next wannabe to make a play for it.

Has anyone considered Thomas Watson, Jr. Second president of IBM his father was president during the war and the company did a lot of business with nazi Germany. He was a pilot in WWII returning to IBM when the war ended.
Supposedly in the top 100 most influential people of the 20th century and the greatest capitalist of all time.
He would have been 30 around the end of the war and died in 1993.

Who cares? It's broken.

That's right. The Spear of Destiny is broken.

If Hitler had it, then it should have given him the victory, if it worked as advertised. It didn't, so if we accept this, then we also have to accept it no longer functions. Besides, which version of the spear? The actual spear of Longinus, or one containing a nail from the cross? Doesn't matter, either way, Hitler lost, so spear doesn't work.

Originally posted by Gazrok
Who cares? It's broken.

That's right. The Spear of Destiny is broken.

If Hitler had it, then it should have given him the victory, if it worked as advertised. It didn't, so if we accept this, then we also have to accept it no longer functions. Besides, which version of the spear? The actual spear of Longinus, or one containing a nail from the cross? Doesn't matter, either way, Hitler lost, so spear doesn't work.

Maybe it was stolen from him by an American.

You could make a decent movie out of it, I'd bet. Hitler plowing through Russia, then loses the spear right in the middle of the battle of Kursk. Dun dun dun! Guderian gets his ass handed to him, and Germany starts to fall apart. Meanwhile, the Spear ends up at Los Alamos...

Originally posted by Gazrok
Who cares? It's broken.

That's right. The Spear of Destiny is broken.

If Hitler had it, then it should have given him the victory, if it worked as advertised. It didn't, so if we accept this, then we also have to accept it no longer functions. Besides, which version of the spear? The actual spear of Longinus, or one containing a nail from the cross? Doesn't matter, either way, Hitler lost, so spear doesn't work.

I'm glad you brought up the Austrian spear (which isn't a spear per-say, but rather a nail hidden within a modified spear head then rapped in silver and gold)

As for the Spear that the Nazi had, well when I was younger my Grandfather told me a story about the end of the war. His unit was part of group that had to recover and record the ill gotten Nazi treasure. There where a couple OSS guys that went with each recovery team. While logging in a group of small boxes one of the other guys spotted a wooden box. The soldiers broke open the box and saw a spear head with some odd symbols on it. The OSS guys started to yell at everyone telling them to get out. After a few hours the OSS guys let everyone go back to recovering the treasures, but they left and the Spear was nowhere to be seen after that.

My Grandfather had a few friends that where OSS, and he asked them about this incident years later. What he was told was that the during the war each OSS agent was given a list of items that needed to be recovered. Those item if recovered were to be handed over to the POTUS as soon as the item was found.

So did Truman get the Spear, or did it go to the Roosevelt family? (since He was the one that ordered the recovery to take place)

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Because even if the spear is broken there are still a group of highly influential people who share the same ideology and goal as all the other people who sought the spear.
There is also no proof that the Vatican or Geneva spears are the real thing.

Originally posted by Rhino5
The clues from the show to who this man was:

1. Businessman
2. Dead
3. Wealthy enough to have bodyguards
4. Was close enough to Hitler to steal the spear.

I'm not sure on who it could be. The body guard was too young to have been Henry Ford's body guard and that is the only businessman that I can think of that had close ties to Hitler.

Wasn't Prescott Bush supposedly involved in banking for the nazis?


Also, @ OP: I think I know what you mean. This is one of the only sites I've seen where I'll be typing a post, and one accidental button press changes the screen I'm on-- either posting early or (more often, for me) going back a screen and losing everything I've written. Gets very annoying.

If you do a google search on:

The True Sons Of The Fallen

You'll find some links to some stories on conspiracy websites about this weird website that is somehow connected to them. I do not now if I can post a link that is why I can only tell to do the google search at this moment right now.

Just saw this show again. I can't believe there aren't records on this guy, Chris Blake, showing for whom he worked. It seems nowadays anyone should be able to get anything on anybody if they want it badly enough.

originally posted by: Gazrok
Who cares? It's broken.

That's right. The Spear of Destiny is broken.

If Hitler had it, then it should have given him the victory, if it worked as advertised. It didn't, so if we accept this, then we also have to accept it no longer functions. Besides, which version of the spear? The actual spear of Longinus, or one containing a nail from the cross? Doesn't matter, either way, Hitler lost, so spear doesn't work.

Some people think that story might be allegorical in the bible , that the spear of Longinus might represent the bloodline of the house of Davis being broken the spear representing the male penis , and the father of Jesus being a Roman