Playing the Victim "Waitress Says She Was Fired For Tea Party Bracelet"

Originally posted by Frogs
Meh - sometimes a brush that paints too wide paints too wide regardless of what side of the fence its painting.

What I mean is there is sometimes the tendency of individuals of one group to paint everyone of an opposing view in the most negative light possible because of the actions of a few.

Here's an example... Take an article like this one. OWS Protesters Calling For ‘Day Of Action’ Following Loss Of Camp In Zuccotti Park where an OWS protester says...

In a video posted on YouTube after protesters were evicted from Zuccotti Park, a demonstrator in the crowd says “On the 17th, we’re going to burn New York City to the ground.”
Later in the video, he then goes on to say “No more talking. They’ve got guns, we’ve got bottles. They’ve got bricks, we’ve got rocks…in a few days you’re going to see what a Molotov cocktail can do to Macy’s.”

Someone try to take that video and use it to attempt to paint all OWS protestors as advocating violence. In fact, there is a thread on it right on ATS right now!! Go figure... Of course, one yahoo flapping his gums in a youtube video doesn't make all OWS protestors violent anymore than.....

If for another example, a slacker waitress got fired from Outback and attempted to say was fired because of a tea party bracelet. Someone my might might try to say paint of the Tea Party as constantly playing the victim card. Wait!! That's happening in this very thread!!! Go figure!

Of course, it isn't true. Not all OWS protestors are violent. Not all Tea Party members play the victim card. When done by either side stuff like this is usually just an attempt to paint the other side in the most negative light possible.

Unfortunately, the difference is that the dude planning to burn down NYC is actually IN the OWS crowd while he is making these statements. That makes it tough to distance him from the movement.

The waitress is just wearing a bracelet. If she were wearing an OWS bracelet, and got fired for it, I wouldn't think that she would be representing the entire OWS crowd...she's just sympathetic to the cause.

Somone actually DOWN THERE, WITH the OWS people, is a different story. I don't think your two examples prove the point...sorry.

Originally posted by MrWendal
Actually I have contributed, but you have made a choice to ignore my post and nit pick at other post. So it is clear to me that you have no real interest in any type of real discussion on this topic. So why should I bother anymore? I am simply following your lead... picking and choosing which post to reply to.

Sort of annoying isn't it?

Ah ok, you want special attention - I beg you to forgive me for missing your original post, and PLEASE - allow me to rectify this situation.

This has nothing to do with the Tea Party except for the this girl is using that as the excuse. People have, since the beginning of time, always placed blame on others if they are fired from a job. This is nothing new at all. I have heard excuses that range from "I wouldn't date him/have sex with him so he fired me" all the way to "he didn't like my hair color".

Exactly my point - This girl is playing the victim and using her tea party affiliation as an excuse for her poor job performance [ON EDIT: "for her being fired". better?

] . Hence, my observation of a trend among tea party leadership and followers in prior posts.

I once had to fire someone who refused to come to work one day because it was raining outside (we worked indoors). Of course when she told her story, she wasn't fired for refusing to come to work, she as fired because she would not kiss my butt and flirt with me like other girls do.

Such is the life of the job creator I guess?

To paint everyone in the Tea Party with such a broad brush because one person used it as an excuse for being fired is... well... pathetic really.

See, here's the problem. I'm simply feeding the tea party it's own tactics. It's nice to sit here and say things like "Don't paint the tea party with a broad brush!" - all while doing exactly that with democrats/liberals/OWS.

Seriously. It works both ways. ATS is simply not use to a loud and rude liberal voice around here, and I'm more than happy to take up that charge. Get use to it

You are badly in need of assistance, that is unless you are intending to throw all forms of logic to the wind and continue on this rampage of comitting endless fallacies.

Originally posted by negativenihil
Exactly my point - This girl is playing the victim and using her tea party affiliation as an excuse for her poor job performance. Hence, my observation of a trend among tea party leadership and followers in prior posts.

One example does not a "trend" make. Hence the label of "Hasty Generalization". And nowhere does she "Use her Tea party affiliation as an excuse for poor job performance." Since one does not relate to the other, this is a "non-sequitur."

See, here's the problem. I'm simply feeding the tea party it's own tactics. It's nice to sit here and say things like "Don't paint the tea party with a broad brush!" - all while doing exactly that with democrats/liberals/OWS.

Seriously. It works both ways. ATS is simply not use to a loud and rude liberal voice around here, and I'm more than happy to take up that charge. Get use to it

The "Tea Party" doesn't have tactics, it's proponents and followers do. Personifying it doesn't change that fact. Now you are employing "Quid Pro Quo" arguments - another fallacy.

Finally, we are quite used to "loud and rude liberal voices around here." In fact, I'm not aware of any other type of "liberal voice".

Originally posted by kozmo
And nowhere does she "Use her Tea party affiliation as an excuse for poor job performance."

Sure she does.

A Crystal Lake waitress says she lost her job because she wore a Tea Party bracelet to work.

Then

Company officials tell a different story. They say Geller was inattentive to diners at two tables and say that if the bracelet had been a problem, managers would have told her to remove it, the newspaper reported.

See? She did a terrible job, and once fired ran and told the media it was because of her tea party bracelet.

Just holding the right to the same standards they hold the left. It's not rocket science.

Originally posted by negativenihil

Originally posted by kozmo
And nowhere does she "Use her Tea party affiliation as an excuse for poor job performance."

Sure she does.

A Crystal Lake waitress says she lost her job because she wore a Tea Party bracelet to work.

Then

Company officials tell a different story. They say Geller was inattentive to diners at two tables and say that if the bracelet had been a problem, managers would have told her to remove it, the newspaper reported.

See? She did a terrible job, and once fired ran and told the media it was because of her tea party bracelet.

Just holding the right to the same standards they hold the left. It's not rocket science.

I cannot aid you in over-coming any mentally deficiencies you may be suffering, but I will, however, attempt to cater to them and type more s...l...o...w...l...y...

You said she used her Tea Party affiliation as an excuse for her poor job performance. Yet, in the example you just provided you STILL have not justified said non-sequitur. She used her Tea Party affiliation as an excuse for her FIRING. See the difference? Her poor job performance might be related to the fact that she suffers from the same mallady as you - mental deficiency.

So, in essence, you are not holding the right to any standard. You are openly displaying complete ignornace and continuing to defend it with additional ignorance. So for you, apparently IT IS rocket science.

Originally posted by kozmo

I cannot aid you in over-coming any mentally deficiencies you may be suffering, but I will, however, attempt to cater to them and type more s...l...o...w...l...y...

You said she used her Tea Party affiliation as an excuse for her poor job performance. Yet, in the example you just provided you STILL have not justified said non-sequitur. She used her Tea Party affiliation as an excuse for her FIRING. See the difference? Her poor job performance might be related to the fact that she suffers from the same mallady as you - mental deficiency.

Ah i see your play here. You're focusing in on one tiny aspect of my post - and looking back i'm sure it could have been worded more clearly for people such as yourself.

But at the end of the day, this is all you've really got. Me, mistyping - and in order frame your little argument, you had to play dumb

Look - I'm sure you're a card carrying MENSA member. Really, I am. But you knew exactly what i meant. Oh and personal attacks? *ALWAYS* classy!

Originally posted by negativenihil
Ah ok, you want special attention - I beg you to forgive me for missing your original post, and PLEASE - allow me to rectify this situation.

No I require no special attention at all. What I require is for you to not assume I have contributed nothing at all when in fact I have, you and you ignored both post I made on page 1. It is funny, you accuse me of needing special attention when all I did was simply point out that you were wrong about my lack of contribution. It's a nice way to twist facts..much like you are doing with this OP. I think that alone is very telling about you.

Exactly my point - This girl is playing the victim and using her tea party affiliation as an excuse for her poor job performance. Hence, my observation of a trend among tea party leadership and followers in prior posts.

Like I said, we agree she is using it an excuse. We disagree because you are saying "all tea party people do this" and I am telling you it dont matter if they are tea party, OWS, Republican, Democrat, or a partridge in a pear tree... ALL PEOPLE DO IT! No one wants to blame themselves, people ALWAYS look for reason outside themselves. It is as common as people who walk! By attaching this a common trait found in people from all walks of life to the Tea Party not only shows your obvious dislike of the Tea Party but it is also pretty foolish and pathetic.

See, here's the problem. I'm simply feeding the tea party it's own tactics. It's nice to sit here and say things like "Don't paint the tea party with a broad brush!" - all while doing exactly that with democrats/liberals/OWS.

You are not feeding the Tea Parties tactics, your making things up as you go along. So yes, I will sit here and say do not paint the entire Tea Party with one broad brush... the same as I do for Liberals, Democrats and OWS. You see, unlike you I am not blinded by some foolish left/right party affiliation. I would suggest looking back at some of my recent post because my "Do not paint xyz with such a broad brush" stance you can find in a few recent threads regardless of OWS, Tea, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Independent, Green, or the "I like to walk my dog on Sunday" party lines.

Seriously. It works both ways. ATS is simply not use to a loud and rude liberal voice around here, and I'm more than happy to take up that charge. Get use to it

Do you really think you are that important? I have been here for a few years now, and I can promise you there have been many loud, rude, liberal and conservative voices on this site in that time frame. You are nothing special. Not only have there been many other voices, but they also were intelligent people who could very well articulate their positions and were willing to admit when they may have jumped the gun, been wrong, and were more open to hear another point of view.

But you can feel free to keep telling yourself that you are the Liberal voice that ATS needs and that you are simply filling much needed gap and I will feel free to sit back and laugh at you some more.

Originally posted by MrWendal

Like I said, we agree she is using it an excuse. We disagree because you are saying "all tea party people do this" and I am telling you it dont matter if they are tea party, OWS, Republican, Democrat, or a partridge in a pear tree... ALL PEOPLE DO IT! No one wants to blame themselves, people ALWAYS look for reason outside themselves. It is as common as people who walk! By attaching this a common trait found in people from all walks of life to the Tea Party not only shows your obvious dislike of the Tea Party but it is also pretty foolish and pathetic.

Please link and quote to the post where say "all tea party people do this". I've pointed out a trend among the leadership, and in my opening post i made a jab at the tea party faithful here on ATS with "go ahead and slack off at your job - you can always just blame some random/imaginary customer for disagreeing with your politics if you get fired.".

But nowhere did i say "all tea party people do this"

You are not feeding the Tea Parties tactics, your making things up as you go along.

Hah. Right. I suppose I control the Chicago media?

So yes, I will sit here and say do not paint the entire Tea Party with one broad brush... the same as I do for Liberals, Democrats and OWS. You see, unlike you I am not blinded by some foolish left/right party affiliation.

Remember this as you cast your vote for whomever the GOP nominates in 2012

Do you really think you are that important? I have been here for a few years now, and I can promise you there have been many loud, rude, liberal and conservative voices on this site in that time frame.

Are we playing compare the ATS Registration date?

(And sure - why not - I feel i'm that important!)

You are nothing special. Not only have there been many other voices, but they also were intelligent people who could very well articulate their positions and were willing to admit when they may have jumped the gun, been wrong, and were more open to hear another point of view.

That was a sly way to sneak in an insult! Bravo!

But you can feel free to keep telling yourself that you are the Liberal voice that ATS needs and that you are simply filling much needed gap

...well then, now that I have *your* permission...

Nothing's better than a narcissist getting torn apart by solid examples. So much irony there. This thread and Herman Cain in the same week?! Tons of fun.

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Your ignorance is shining though. It's so radiant

May I ask what makes you think I would cast my vote for whomever the GOP nominates? It is amazing to me how you make these leaps and judge one's character solely based on party lines. I actually feel very sad for you seeing how you trap yourself into this insane reality that is dictated by some foolish two party system. Would it shock you to know that the last time I voted in a Presidential election cast my vote for Bill Clinton? Would it shock you to know that I have refused to vote in any Presidential election since because I figured out that both parties are controlled and it didnt matter which candidate got in because I would get screwed anyway? Sorry, but I generally only vote in primaries where you may still find a decent politician. By the time the Presidential Election comes around and people are given two choices between dumb and dumber.. I choose to abstain. I hold no party affiliation what so ever. I judge politicians on their voting records and policies.

Also there is no need to compare registration dates. You are making this claim that you are the sole Liberal voice of ATS when in fact nothing could be farther from the truth. You are not the first, you are not the only one, and you will not be the last. Fact is ATS is not a conservative website or a liberal website. It has a very good mix of both.

Originally posted by negativenihil
Sara Palin. Michele Bachmann. Two biggest offenders who both have far more weight in the political system that either Jackson or Sharpton.

Are you naming people who "play the victim card" or just listing people you don't like? I've read several examples of your apparent cohorts who do exactly what you lay solely at the feet of the Tea Party. In the future, you should really qualify a request for examples with the statement "I will unequivocally reject any example you provide, so don't waste your time". It would be greatly appreciated.

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So you couldn't find me saying "all tea party people do this", right?

I didn't think so.

Originally posted by WTFover
Are you naming people who "play the victim card"

Hey, there's a start! look for my prior post on this exact topic.

or just listing people you don't like?

That would be a thread in upon itself!

I've read several examples of your apparent cohorts

cohorts? such as? I'm a 1 man show here pal

Don't blame me for other posters nor give them credit for my posts.

Originally posted by negativenihil
reply to post by MrWendal

 

So you couldn't find me saying "all tea party people do this", right?

I didn't think so.

No, I can not find any place where you said the words "All tea party people do this". What you are doing is making a comparison to what this girl used as an excuse and leadership within the Tea Party to paint everyone with the same broad brush. Your comparison insinuates that "all tea party people do this". It is so obvious that Stevie Wonder could see it.

So do you want to continue to argue silly semantics or do you plan on ever addressing the real points within my post?

reply to post by negativenihil


Not that clarity has any meaning here, but you really should re-read this line from my post, which you incorrectly quoted...Pal...

I've read several examples of your apparent cohorts who do exactly what you lay solely at the feet of the Tea Party.

That is not saying your cohorts gave examples. But, hey I'll not waste any more time with this unproductive tit-for-tat.

Originally posted by pez1975
i would fire her for the bracelet too but this a is a right to work state and i could get away with it thanks to another stupid republican law

"A stupid Republican law"? You mean the Civil Rights Act of 1964? The one that has included in its list of reasons "creed" of when it's illegal to fire someone? That Republican law?

Thoughts: have some.

/TOA