WHAT! "House GOP Classifies Pizza As A Vegetable To ‘Prevent Overly Burdensome’ Regulations"

reply to post by negativenihil

I'm sorry but you're entire argument just feels completely disingenuous.

Who is being disingenuous???

You are the one that is saying that a salad composed almost entirely of vegetables can not be classified as a vegetable for a nutritional standard for children's school lunches.

Better get your dictionary out and sic it on me again.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by negativenihil

 

You fail.

Here is a menu:

Chicken vegetable pie.

Applesauce.

Chef's Salad.

Cherry pie.

According to your response to me, there are no vegetables, fruits or grains present on this menu.

I am a libertarian. Feed, clothe and bathe your children at home, on your own expense. And stick your Democrat/Republican politicians where they will feel at home.

When parents don't adequately feed the children they do poorly in school.

But I can't see the sense in calling sauce a vegetable any more than calling

soda, water.

Originally posted by jacklondonmiller

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by negativenihil

 

You fail.

Here is a menu:

Chicken vegetable pie.

Applesauce.

Chef's Salad.

Cherry pie.

According to your response to me, there are no vegetables, fruits or grains present on this menu.

I am a libertarian. Feed, clothe and bathe your children at home, on your own expense. And stick your Democrat/Republican politicians where they will feel at home.

When parents don't adequately feed the children they do poorly in school.

But I can't see the sense in calling sauce a vegetable any more than calling

soda, water.

Let's say that you are a school dietician. You have to classify the menu above into the food groupings that the feds dictate we must eat.

Are you in agreement that there are no vegetables, fruits, grains or meats present on that menu????

I'm not calling soda by the name water here.

ETA: I am a libertarian, as such, I don't believe it is the government's job to feed us.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by negativenihil

 

Just don't piss and moan that your kids are 300lbs by age 16 and come down with type 2 diabetes.

I have four children and they are not troubled by these problems. and they have eaten pizza. Have you?

Again with the disingenuous tone!

Of course i've eaten pizza - i love pizza! Would i ever replace a vegetable with pizza? Hell no.

Let me break this down for you since you seem to be having trouble wrapping your head around this obviously complex topic.

Yes, the tomato sauce in pizza is at it's core based on a vegetable, However - It's not often than I see people simply eating cans of pizza sauce. Pizza is a delivery mechanism for fat and carbs, More often than not, the fat and carbs totally negate any healthful gain from the tomato sauce.

Are you really this naive?

reply to post by negativenihil


This is Sparta!


In all seriousness this is just business as usual again.
We need to reform the way politicians and business make contact.
We need to put everything out in the open.

Originally posted by butcherguy

I'm not calling soda by the name water here.

WHY NOT?! It's got water IN IT!

(Just applying your own logic here buddy...)

Originally posted by butcherguy

You are the one that is saying that a salad composed almost entirely of vegetables can not be classified as a vegetable for a nutritional standard for children's school lunches.

No, that's you putting words in my mouth.

A salad by definition is NOT a vegetable. It's made up of vegetables, but not in itself a vegetable.

sal·ad/ˈsaləd/
Noun:

A cold dish of various mixtures of raw or cooked vegetables, usually seasoned with oil, vinegar, or other dressing: "a green salad".

All these things mentioned can be healthy is made using fresh ingredients. Unfortunately, the companies that supply the school system use the cheapest available processed products, then fill them with preservatives, chemicals, dyes, and corn surup, etc. Do some research, if you don't like reading... start here:




As for those saying "feed them properly at home", I agree, but for alot of kids, the school meal is the only proper meal they get each day. Either the family is too poor to provide nutritious meals, are un-educated about nutrition themselves, or simply too busy working 2 jobs. Poptarts for breakfast, school lunch, take out for supper, and chips/soda for snacks.

The US's biggest threat over the next few decades isn't terrorism or even China......it will be health, the costs associated with that and people too un-healthy to serve in the military or even contribute to society in a meaningfull way.

reply to post by negativenihil

Are you really this naive?

It is my opinion that you may be naive.

The purpose of the govt regulations are to see that the lunches are nutritious in totality. Is pizza going to be the only thing on the menu? Not by the govt programs.

In reality, school cafeterias are now 'food courts'. The students can eat a'la carte , no school official is standing over them making them eat a nutritious and balanced meal. So every penny the government is spending to keep track of what is available is pretty stupid, since the school doesn't make them 'eat their vegetables'.

Naive, yeah, you might be. Let's spend some more money regulating something that we don't really affect in the end.

reply to post by negativenihil


I'd be quite happy to see Ron Paul's guidance taken and start by disbanding the Dept Of Education entirely. RIGHT behind that ought to be a full blown revolt by the states under the 10th to get OUT of our local schools. That includes the lunch menus.

The Republicans are more than a bit silly circumventing absurd government regulation by declaring Pizza anything other than what we all know and love it to be. However, this wouldn't have been necessary at all if Washington weren't spending FAR too much time micro-managing every aspect of EVERY THING we have in our lives. The School lunchroom is as good a place as any to start taking a stand to keep politicians out of our *LOCAL* matters.

Just my thoughts.

Originally posted by butcherguy
It is my opinion that you may be naive.

The purpose of the govt regulations are to see that the lunches are nutritious in totality. Is pizza going to be the only thing on the menu? Not by the govt programs.

In reality, school cafeterias are now 'food courts'. The students can eat a'la carte , no school official is standing over them making them eat a nutritious and balanced meal. So every penny the government is spending to keep track of what is available is pretty stupid, since the school doesn't make them 'eat their vegetables'.

Naive, yeah, you might be. Let's spend some more money regulating something that we don't really affect in the end.

Really? You seem to feel that having a single vegetable as an ingredient allows a food item to be labeled as a vegetable, and you're calling me naive? You are ok with pizza replacing vegetables... and i'm naive?

Do you even know what naive means? Were you home schooled or something? Or are you just trolling (c'mon, be honest big guy!)?

Just because the school systems aren't force feeding our kids specific food doesn't mean we should take an anything goes attitude about school nutrition.

Let the school kids eat fricken pizza. Pizza Fridays was one part of school I always looked forward to.

Originally posted by jjkenobi
Let the school kids eat fricken pizza. Pizza Fridays was one part of school I always looked forward to.

No one has said anything about banning pizza. This thread is about the GOP allowing pizza to be used in place of a vegetable.

reply to post by negativenihil

As far as trolling goes, look at my post history.

If I was to look at yours, it would indicate that I cared that much.

You know that the purpose of the government standards are to try to regulate what is in the child's belly after the meal is eaten, not what is on the plate before it is eaten.

If we put the vegetables that are found in a chicken pie on a plate, separated from the chicken that would be used in that same pie, along with a crust and some gravy....... can the veggies count as veggies then?

Will the meat be meat then?

How about the crust, can it count as breads and grains?

Now after the kid chews them up and swallows them...... Do they count towards his diet?

It is all the same.

If you eat applesauce, you ARE consuming apples.

Pizza sauce is made from tomatoes.
If you eat pizza, you ARE consuming tomatoes.
You are probably also consuming dairy products.
And grains..... But it is part of a pizza, so none of it counts in your eyes. In fact, you told me I should expect my children to be obese and come down with diabetes.....

Who is a troll?

reply to post by butcherguy


Here, let me quote myself from a prior post that you obviously failed to read:

Yes, the tomato sauce in pizza is at it's core based on a vegetable, However - It's not often than I see people simply eating cans of pizza sauce. Pizza is a delivery mechanism for fat and carbs, More often than not, the fat and carbs totally negate any healthful gain from the tomato sauce.

You see that last part? You can and often do negate any healthful benefits from the tomato by loading up on carbs and fats - load it up with cheese and meat and a thick crust and it doesn't matter what the sauce is made of.

Next time read things completely before replying.

reply to post by negativenihil


Everyone is talking about banning pizza (and other junk foods). Just Google "banning pizza in school cafeterias" and there's hundreds of articles talking about it.

reply to post by jjkenobi


That's nice, maybe you could go speak up on one of those topics or threads or sites?

This thread has nothing to do with banning pizza.

reply to post by negativenihil

More often than not,

That is from your post that you blamed me for not reading.

When you put that in there, you did it because you know that your statement isn't true ALL of the time.

Why, because people can choose how much of what kinds of food to eat.

Not my problem if they don't have any self control when it comes to what they eat.... or their children eat, for that matter.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by negativenihil

 

More often than not,

That is from your post that you blamed me for not reading.

When you put that in there, you did it because you know that your statement isn't true ALL of the time.

Why, because people can choose how much of what kinds of food to eat.

Not my problem if they don't have any self control when it comes to what they eat.... or their children eat, for that matter.

Down to grasping at straws, perfect!

Yes - "More often than not" - for every meat lovers pizza sold, how many veggie pizzas do you think are sold? If given the options, do you think most normal, red blooded, well adjusted American kids would reach for the veggie pizza more than the meat lovers?

Try this test at home - make or buy one meat loves and one veggie pizza... see which goes first!

(Of course, unless you're one of those hippy vegan/vegetarian types this will screw up my whole scenario... but you're no vegetarian now, are ya?)

reply to post by negativenihil

Pizza is a delivery mechanism for fat and carbs

So is cake.

Doesn't mean that you should eat it exclusively or not at all.
It is all about self-control when nutrition is concerned with obesity.